On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

Tom P.

Well-Known Member
US law is interpretative case law. In about 99.995% of the instances.

Civics lesson complete
It is. Because we discarded what the Constitution actually says early on, circa the John Marshall court, and instead substituted case law and court precedent as our holy grail. But that's not how the Constitution was actually written to work.

But, as I say, that ship has sailed.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Disney has not been “lucky”. Rather, they created a super-detailed safety plan that essentially changed nearly every procedure in their operation, and have maintained ridiculously high standards in maintaining those procedures. Including mask wearing by both Cast and guests.
That does not prohibit contact with individuals coming off the property ...including mostly employees...that venture in and out of their safe zones every day.

There could have been a flashpoint...just as their could be at universal...and it hasn’t happened. There is a percentage of luck there for sure.

I am impressed with their protocols...no doubt. I said so and I will repeat it without nuance.
It appears to be a success as of now.

Key points...for sure.

I understand the “other side” of the name tag as well.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
It is. Because we discarded the what the Constitution actually says early on, circa the John Marshall court, and instead substituted case law and court precedent as our holy grail. But that's not how the Constitution was actually written to work.

But, as I say, that ship has sailed.

Like the ability to fight back against raiding Oswego or infantry detachments straying down from Nova Scotia, Quebec, Ontario, or New Brunswick??

...you see my point...I think...it’s that it wasn’t gonna work.

Such that it is.
 
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Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
But that type of contact is 1) unrelated to the resort being open and 2) would have occurred whether WDW was open or not.
No I disagree. People from out of state wouldn't have had that contact if Disney wasn't open. IMO while it's great that with Disney open people are back to work and I am happy for them, they should not be open. With them open it encourages travel between states that shouldn't be happening right now. When multiple states have/had hot spots the last thing that should be happening is travel. Where I live they have been encouraging people to travel within their province.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
But that type of contact is 1) unrelated to the resort being open and 2) would have occurred whether WDW was open or not.
That wasn’t the equivalency I was making...

I was saying that things have worked out well for Disney’s operation in Florida to this point...which I know well...for a variety of factors including preparation and luck. We’ll never know the degrees as it stands.

The nba is a big factor in that too...that has nothing to do with the theme park operations other than providing “revenue” and/or operating income for the Street that doesn’t fit.
 

Miss Bella

Well-Known Member
Unless you are either a local or AP/DVC, it’s not the place to be...no fireworks, entertainment, dining, transportation. Thus, the once in a year or lifetime demographic is out.

And THEN there’s the economy...
I'm none of those and I had a great trip. What's the big deal about fireworks? Do you not all have those in hometowns?
 

Miss Bella

Well-Known Member
No I disagree. People from out of state wouldn't have had that contact if Disney wasn't open. IMO while it's great that with Disney open people are back to work and I am happy for them, they should not be open. With them open it encourages travel between states that shouldn't be happening right now. When multiple states have/had hot spots the last thing that should be happening is travel. Where I live they have been encouraging people to travel within their province.
Numbers are going down without shutting down....enough said. Isn't there another thread where this has been discussed ad nauseam.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I got my shot in? Both ways? Do tell.
That was an “intellectual drive by”...school yard tactics. Make your opinion know in 5 words and then tell others to shut up in one breath.

Nothing inventive.

How about this one:

“I think Bob Iger runs a human traffic ring out of the kitchen of Mystic Pizza in Van Nuys...but you’ll have to find another thread if you have an opinion on it. Now back to attendance.”

Doesn’t work...really at all.

FYI...I was kidding about the pizza...don’t start a google search. 😱
 

Miss Bella

Well-Known Member
That was an “intellectual drive by”...school yard tactics. Make your opinion know in 5 words and then tell others to shut up in one breath.

Nothing inventive.

How about this one:

“I think Bob Iger runs a human traffic ring out of the kitchen of Mystic Pizza in Van Nuys...but you’ll have to find another thread if you have an opinion on it. Now back to attendance.”

Doesn’t work...really at all.

FYI...I was kidding about the pizza...don’t start a google search. 😱
How many times can you post the same thing over and over and be wrong everytime? Apparently a lot. I’ll leave the dozen posters on here to their echo chamber.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
I posted the mgm resorts link earlier...there are key points unsaid in there.

Layoffs for real...benefits kept through 9/30.

That’s 10/1...which is still largely under the radar.

Disney...to their credit...has stated a 12/31 endpoint on bennies. That’s at least something.
What are people waiting for? Get your health checks, medical / dental procedures done now before one loses health benefits after 10/1.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
The bigger issue for me is focus - the 20% group are the lower to mid execs like VP's or SVP's who will have the bulk of the downsizing work on their plates. Disney and similar travel/hospitality companies will need to lose tens of thousands of employees to better cost set to the new revenue reality. Those eliminated jobs are at the front lines and in lower management such as managers, directors, senior directors, etc. That is where there are several layers and the VP/SVP levels will have the burden of eliminating positions wholesale. Cutting a few exec salaries temporarily for optics (which does nothing to the bottom line) of the very people who will own the heavy lifting of the downsizing effort never makes any sense and certainly doesn't make the thousands of fired employees feel better.
What's hard to swallow is that a number of cast members are still in furlough, but the execs in the company who had their salaries cut 20-30% in March just got their full salaries back in line. When the hammer really comes down, there could be more homes and used cars in the market for sale and pawn shops doing brisk business in Orlando as furloughed and laid off people scramble to sell their possessions to gain some cash. Some of these execs just might be joining the unemployment line.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
How many times can you post the same thing over and over and be wrong everytime? Apparently a lot. I’ll leave the dozen posters on here to their echo chamber.
Too many other things in this world to get upset about. To each his/her own. I would just agree to disagree.
 
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Castmbr

Active Member
How many times can you post the same thing over and over and be wrong everytime? Apparently a lot. I’ll leave the dozen posters on here to their echo chamber.

Yup and yup. They love to argue about things that are not provable but political and they are so absolute in their convictions because they read it in a blog vs using their brain's analytical side.
Sad but true , the internet has turned most on the internet into absolutists because they feel that they are anonymous and do not have to make their idiotic statements to someones face. Twitter , facebook.....unfortunately the Disney forums as well.
 

celluloid

Well-Known Member
People mocking other businesses for their crunching tatics, what do you think is going to happen/who is going to go back first when things start to become healthier with touristm again? Who is going to come back first, the complete list of part time/full time furloughed who were going to get their recently agreed on pay raise scheduele? Or the College Programers who save the company and provide an income for the company that they would really love to have without ever having to give them a raise?
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
People mocking other businesses for their crunching tatics, what do you think is going to happen/who is going to go back first when things start to become healthier with touristm again? Who is going to come back first, the complete list of part time/full time furloughed who were going to get their recently agreed on pay raise scheduele? Or the College Programers who save the company and provide an income for the company that they would really love to have without ever having to give them a raise?
I don’t expect to see cast numbers back to those of even a year ago.
 

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