On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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brianstl said:
It is well accepted that New York has massively undercounted the amount of deaths among those living in senior/assisted living facilities because New York’s death count only includes those that died at those facilities while excluding those who were transferred to a hospital and died. When you examine all deaths in the US and exclude all of deaths from New York, the percentage of deaths who were senior/assisted living residents is 52.4%.

Apply that percentage to New York and you get 17,039 dead who were senior/assisted living residents. New York has 100,000 senior/assisted living beds. At the start of the outbreak 92% of those beds were occupied. That means 18.5% of New York’s senior/assisted living residents at the start of the outbreak are now dead from COVID-19.
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Difficult situation and no perfect options...
Nobody loved it including those that made those choices. Know anyone working for health departments in those states? I do two of three...

Making it “the issue” is diversionary from the actual issue. And it’s reprehensible as usual.

But to cut it down (and I no longer wish to keep talking about virus policy)...they had to isolate them...for the amount of cross contamination of staff and VISITORS as anything.

Try telling a 65 year old Italian to not visit her parents in a hospital and then proceed to not infect everyone else in town when they didn’t know what what was gonna happen.

In a (admittedly sick) way...the choice was that scene in every ship/submarine movie where they have to seal the bulkhead door as they try to fix the Engines or seal the breach with people inside...
...control the access point.
 
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brianstl

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Difficult situation and no perfect options...
Nobody loved it including those that made those choices. Know anyone working for health departments in those states? I do two of three...

Making it “the issue” is diversionary from the actual issue. And it’s reprehensible as usual.

But to cut it down (and I no longer wish to keep talking about virus policy)...they had to isolate them...for the amount of cross contamination of staff and VISITORS as anything.

Try telling a 65 year old Italian to not visit her parents in a hospital and then proceed to not infect everyone else in town when they didn’t know what what was gonna happen.

In a (admittedly sick) way...the choice was that scene in every ship/submarine movie where they have to seal the bulkhead door as they try to fix the Engines or seal the breach with people inside...
...control the access point.
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I am not trying to make an issue out of how New York dealt with residents of senior/assisted living homes. I only suggested that the numbers suggest that New York may have achieved herd immunity amongst its most vulnerable population. You wanted to know how I arrived at my numbers and the suggested I made them up. I only supplied the information I used to reach my conclusion and made no judgement on how New York dealt with that population.
 
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brianstl

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
I’m not saying he didn’t use “unconstitutional”...he was wrong and did it for political emphasis.

That happens across the “spectrum”

The word “unconstitutional” is rarely correct.
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I agree with you on that, but I never said it was unconstitutional. I only pointed out that Cuomo had called them unconstitutional when applied to New Yorkers prior to his own implementation of quarantine orders on people from other selected states.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
brianstl said:
I am not trying to make an issue out of how New York dealt with residents of senior/assisted living homes. I only suggested that the numbers suggest that New York may have achieved herd immunity amongst its most vulnerable population. You wanted to know how I arrived at my numbers and the suggested I made them up. I only supplied the information I used to reach my conclusion and made no judgement on how New York dealt with that population.
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Point taken...and it’s possible that partial herd was obtained...

But back to attendance/travel...there’s two problems:
1. Cant do that in Florida...or California. Not now. Several key “isms” and “acys” are gonna block it.
2. Travel is going to resume for Disney’s demographics when those people are darn good and ready...not a second sooner. That is really isn’t up for debate.

In a way...the real thing - and house money is on they are fully conscious of this - is Disney is watching/measuring just what their pull is.

I bet it’s not as much as many - including myself and most of the dust brigade - thought it was.

Every instinct tells me they aren’t seeing the demand. As many times as posters say they are “ignoring” the demand...it’s not there.
 
networkpro

networkpro

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Difficult situation and no perfect options...
Nobody loved it including those that made those choices. Know anyone working for health departments in those states? I do two of three...

Making it “the issue” is diversionary from the actual issue. And it’s reprehensible as usual.

But to cut it down (and I no longer wish to keep talking about virus policy)...they had to isolate them...for the amount of cross contamination of staff and VISITORS as anything.

Try telling a 65 year old Italian to not visit her parents in a hospital and then proceed to not infect everyone else in town when they didn’t know what what was gonna happen.

In a (admittedly sick) way...the choice was that scene in every ship/submarine movie where they have to seal the bulkhead door as they try to fix the Engines or seal the breach with people inside...
...control the access point.
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Which he didn't want to do to his own state, that's one of the reasons the death toll in NY is at 32,515.
 
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DVCakaCarlF

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Point taken...and it’s possible that partial herd was obtained...

But back to attendance/travel...there’s two problems:
1. Cant do that in Florida...or California. Not now. Several key “isms” and “acys” are gonna block it.
2. Travel is going to resume for Disney’s demographics when those people are darn good and ready...not a second sooner. That is really isn’t up for debate.

In a way...the real thing - and house money is on they are fully conscious of this - is Disney is watching/measuring just what their pull is.

I bet it’s not as much as many - including myself and most of the dust brigade - thought it was.

Every instinct tells me they aren’t seeing the demand. As many times as posters say they are “ignoring” the demand...it’s not there.
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Unless you are either a local or AP/DVC, it’s not the place to be...no fireworks, entertainment, dining, transportation. Thus, the once in a year or lifetime demographic is out.

And THEN there’s the economy...
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
MrHappy said:
This thread is...
a) Stockholm Syndrome
b) Sunk Cost Fallacy
c) Irrelevant tangents
d) All of the above
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1999 called...they said:
“It’s D...welcome to Disney chat” 🤪
MrHappy said:
Can you provide more info? That’s a broad stroke. I’m curious to know if you are referring to air travel and if this stat includes March/April, you know, the uh oh days of quarantine.
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See: title of thread.

The numbers are unofficial...but there’s really no need to doubt them based on observations.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
DVCakaCarlF said:
Unless you are either a local or AP/DVC, it’s not the place to be...no fireworks, entertainment, dining, transportation. Thus, the once in a year or lifetime demographic is out.

And THEN there’s the economy...
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It hasn’t even gotten bad yet. But people will ignore it. They will continue to ignore it...you will see it daily.

Get your popcorn 🍿
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
HauntedMansionFLA said:
Cast members furlough letters will delay layoffs for a while. Writing is on the wall (sadly)
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I posted the mgm resorts link earlier...there are key points unsaid in there.

Layoffs for real...benefits kept through 9/30.

That’s 10/1...which is still largely under the radar.

Disney...to their credit...has stated a 12/31 endpoint on bennies. That’s at least something.
 

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