On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Is this a new thread on the plague?

It went there...trying to go hard to port and get it back.

So why is travel down 75%???

...uh oh.

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

Point taken...and it’s possible that partial herd was obtained...

But back to attendance/travel...there’s two problems:
1. Cant do that in Florida...or California. Not now. Several key “isms” and “acys” are gonna block it.
2. Travel is going to resume for Disney’s demographics when those people are darn good and ready...not a second sooner. That is really isn’t up for debate.

In a way...the real thing - and house money is on they are fully conscious of this - is Disney is watching/measuring just what their pull is.

I bet it’s not as much as many - including myself and most of the dust brigade - thought it was.

Every instinct tells me they aren’t seeing the demand. As many times as posters say they are “ignoring” the demand...it’s not there.

Unless you are either a local or AP/DVC, it’s not the place to be...no fireworks, entertainment, dining, transportation. Thus, the once in a year or lifetime demographic is out.

And THEN there’s the economy...

 

[MrHappy]

It went there...trying to go hard to port and get it back.

So why is travel down 75%???

...uh oh.

Can you provide more info? That’s a broad stroke. I’m curious to know if you are referring to air travel and if this stat includes March/April, you know, the uh oh days of quarantine.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This thread is...
a) Stockholm Syndrome
b) Sunk Cost Fallacy
c) Irrelevant tangents
d) All of the above

1999 called...they said:
“It’s D...welcome to Disney chat”

Can you provide more info? That’s a broad stroke. I’m curious to know if you are referring to air travel and if this stat includes March/April, you know, the uh oh days of quarantine.

See: title of thread.

The numbers are unofficial...but there’s really no need to doubt them based on observations.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Unless you are either a local or AP/DVC, it’s not the place to be...no fireworks, entertainment, dining, transportation. Thus, the once in a year or lifetime demographic is out.

And THEN there’s the economy...

It hasn’t even gotten bad yet. But people will ignore it. They will continue to ignore it...you will see it daily.

Get your popcorn

 

[Tom P.]

If we followed the actual text of the Constitution, about 85% of what the federal government does, including many things we like, is unconstitutional. That ship sailed a long time ago.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If we followed the actual text of the Constitution, about 85% of what the federal government does, including many things we like, is unconstitutional. That ship sailed a long time ago.

US law is interpretative case law. In about 99.995% of the instances.

Civics lesson complete

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Cast members furlough letters will delay layoffs for a while. Writing is on the wall (sadly)

I posted the mgm resorts link earlier...there are key points unsaid in there.

Layoffs for real...benefits kept through 9/30.

That’s 10/1...which is still largely under the radar.

Disney...to their credit...has stated a 12/31 endpoint on bennies. That’s at least something.

 

[Polkadotdress]

Disney has been LUCKY... and that’s a win for everyone. So far.

Disney has not been “lucky”. Rather, they created a super-detailed safety plan that essentially changed nearly every procedure in their operation, and have maintained ridiculously high standards in maintaining those procedures. Including mask wearing by both Cast and guests.

 

[Tom P.]

US law is interpretative case law. In about 99.995% of the instances.

Civics lesson complete

It is. Because we discarded what the Constitution actually says early on, circa the John Marshall court, and instead substituted case law and court precedent as our holy grail. But that's not how the Constitution was actually written to work.

But, as I say, that ship has sailed.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Disney has not been “lucky”. Rather, they created a super-detailed safety plan that essentially changed nearly every procedure in their operation, and have maintained ridiculously high standards in maintaining those procedures. Including mask wearing by both Cast and guests.

That does not prohibit contact with individuals coming off the property ...including mostly employees...that venture in and out of their safe zones every day.

There could have been a flashpoint...just as their could be at universal...and it hasn’t happened. There is a percentage of luck there for sure.

I am impressed with their protocols...no doubt. I said so and I will repeat it without nuance.
It appears to be a success as of now.

Key points...for sure.

I understand the “other side” of the name tag as well.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It is. Because we discarded the what the Constitution actually says early on, circa the John Marshall court, and instead substituted case law and court precedent as our holy grail. But that's not how the Constitution was actually written to work.

But, as I say, that ship has sailed.

Like the ability to fight back against raiding Oswego or infantry detachments straying down from Nova Scotia, Quebec, Ontario, or New Brunswick??

...you see my point...I think...it’s that it wasn’t gonna work.

Such that it is.

 

[Polkadotdress]

That does not prohibit contact with individuals coming off the property ...including mostly employees...that venture in and out of their safe zones every day.

But that type of contact is 1) unrelated to the resort being open and 2) would have occurred whether WDW was open or not.

 

[Jrb1979]

But that type of contact is 1) unrelated to the resort being open and 2) would have occurred whether WDW was open or not.

No I disagree. People from out of state wouldn't have had that contact if Disney wasn't open. IMO while it's great that with Disney open people are back to work and I am happy for them, they should not be open. With them open it encourages travel between states that shouldn't be happening right now. When multiple states have/had hot spots the last thing that should be happening is travel. Where I live they have been encouraging people to travel within their province.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

But that type of contact is 1) unrelated to the resort being open and 2) would have occurred whether WDW was open or not.

That wasn’t the equivalency I was making...

I was saying that things have worked out well for Disney’s operation in Florida to this point...which I know well...for a variety of factors including preparation and luck. We’ll never know the degrees as it stands.

The nba is a big factor in that too...that has nothing to do with the theme park operations other than providing “revenue” and/or operating income for the Street that doesn’t fit.

 

[Miss Bella]

Unless you are either a local or AP/DVC, it’s not the place to be...no fireworks, entertainment, dining, transportation. Thus, the once in a year or lifetime demographic is out.

And THEN there’s the economy...

I'm none of those and I had a great trip. What's the big deal about fireworks? Do you not all have those in hometowns?

 

[Miss Bella]

No I disagree. People from out of state wouldn't have had that contact if Disney wasn't open. IMO while it's great that with Disney open people are back to work and I am happy for them, they should not be open. With them open it encourages travel between states that shouldn't be happening right now. When multiple states have/had hot spots the last thing that should be happening is travel. Where I live they have been encouraging people to travel within their province.

Numbers are going down without shutting down....enough said. Isn't there another thread where this has been discussed ad nauseam.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Numbers are going down without shutting down....enough said. Isn't there another thread where this has been discussed ad nauseam.

And yet...you got your shot in.

Can’t have it both ways.

 

[Miss Bella]

And yet...you got your shot in.

Can’t have it both ways.

I got my shot in? Both ways? Do tell.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I got my shot in? Both ways? Do tell.

That was an “intellectual drive by”...school yard tactics. Make your opinion know in 5 words and then tell others to shut up in one breath.

Nothing inventive.

How about this one:

“I think Bob Iger runs a human traffic ring out of the kitchen of Mystic Pizza in Van Nuys...but you’ll have to find another thread if you have an opinion on it. Now back to attendance.”

Doesn’t work...really at all.

FYI...I was kidding about the pizza...don’t start a google search.