On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So... Universal is now pretty packed on weekends. It's about like an average pre-covid "medium" day. I'm not saying I definitely agree with that, but the demand is there. Universal has not introduced any sort of reservation system and, allegedly anyway, has not hit their capacity limit. They introduced "pay for a day, get the rest of the year" deals for Florida residents. If Disney is hurting this badly then they need to stop dragging their feet on over-restricting the locals from getting in.

Universal is on a completely different model now than TWDC...the angles are more “perpendicular” than “parallel”

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

I submit that it is political now given each governor trading jabs vs science

It’s always been political.

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

Universal is on a completely different model now than TWDC...the angles are more “perpendicular” than “parallel”

And what’s their model? No bobs at the helm?

 

[brianstl]

TBH, they should have held back the reopenings when the cases in FL spiked and only reopen to locals for a couple months once the new cases were down.

Why? No outbreaks at WDW among guests or cast members. It don’t see anything that says they should have held up on the reopening.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I submit that it is political now given each governor trading jabs vs science

You’re starting to slide off the edge of the road on this one...though I totally get the frustration that I think is causing it for you.

This still sucks.

The tri-state governors just didn't name a state because it was in the news as "a hot spot." They laid out specific metrics for which states require a quarantine which has gotten up to over 30 states, some of which have gone on and off the list based on those public metrics and not because of any feelz. The list includes red *and* blue states.

Yep. It’s really simple. I don’t laud anything (at all) done in my neck of the woods near 100%...but they have stayed the course and that’s at least consistent and respectable.

If people want to start “Yankee hate”:..I hope we’re switching to baseball...

 

[MisterPenguin]

As far as I’m concerned, the whole Tri state area should have been quarantined and we wouldn’t even be in this situation.

There was community spread throughout all parts of the U.S. Genetics showed CV from Italy and China going directly to Florida and the West Coast without passing through the tri-state area.

But, you know, accept a proclamation from a politician rather than the science community and ignore the common sense fact that people from Florida and Oregon and California visit Italy and China on a regular basis for business and pleasure.

Now, I'm not saying that the tri-state area shouldn't have become a quarantined area, but the idea that it was the source of contagion in the U.S. is laughable.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

And what’s their model? No bobs at the helm?

They are operating more like a regional...Disney has got some overly elaborate “realigning our business” model in place...if I had to guess...

And that model looks like this:

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

As far as I’m concerned, the whole Tri state area should have been quarantined and we wouldn’t even be in this situation.

That wouldn’t have prevented anything...

New York fought first...as usual...and they also seem to have done it best...(same)

Look at the hot weather stupidity that has followed? And that’s with KNOWN data and treatments and lessons having been developed from the hot bed.

I will never convince anyone otherwise...however I’m also not incorrect.

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

They are operating more like a regional...Disney has got some overly elaborate “realigning our business” model in place...if I had to guess...

And that model looks like this:

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Too many chiefs...not enough Indians.

 

[brianstl]

As far as I’m concerned, the whole Tri state area should have been quarantined and we wouldn’t even be in this situation.

Almost one third of all US deaths from COVID have been in the those three states.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Why? No outbreaks at WDW among guests or cast members. It don’t see anything that says they should have held up on the reopening.

There is a certain degree of luck there...but they’ve also done what appears to be a good job.

Fair.

But no one really is traveling...so that is the issue now and for the future.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Almost one third of all US deaths from COVID have been in the those three states.

What was the timeframe, Great Oz?

 

[brianstl]

That wouldn’t have prevented anything...

New York fought first...as usual...and they also seem to have done it best...(same)

Look at the hot weather stupidity that has followed? And that’s with KNOWN data and treatments and lessons having been developed from the hot bed.

I will never convince anyone otherwise...however I’m also not incorrect.

The Governor of New York was calling it unconstitutional when other states where placing quarantines on people who had been in New York, but now he is all for them.

 

[Lilofan]

Too many chiefs...not enough Indians.

When the going is good, companies create/ expand new positions and new departments. When the going gets tough, these areas are at times the first to get sliced and diced and people lose their jobs.

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

That wouldn’t have prevented anything...

New York fought first...as usual...and they also seem to have done it best...(same)

Look at the hot weather stupidity that has followed? And that’s with KNOWN data and treatments and lessons having been developed from the hot bed.

I will never convince anyone otherwise...however I’m also not incorrect.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, the rest of the US shutdown because NYC was in the crapper.

I don’t have a reported source but when this all started to erupt, there was a serious plan that placed the military (all branches) on alert to quarantine the tri state area by land, sea, air, etc. The constitutional and, thus, legal crisis was being heavily reviewed by lawyers, scholars, and the White House to implement this movie like isolation. The pentagon was developing a mobilization plan, while this was all being discussed.

Realizing the “revolution” that would ensue from such a action, the Feds delegated any quarantine orders back to the states. Thus, giving the governors the option to mobilize the national guard, if desired.

Obviously, using this “nuclear” option would be detrimental to any re election of anyone looking to remain in office. That all being said, the rights that would be violated by imposing such an action, would bring the nation to the brink of a civil war.

 

[brianstl]

What was the timeframe, Great Oz?

It is very likely that New York has achieved herd immunity amongst their most vulnerable populations. 20% of the population of New York that was living in senior communities and assisted living facility has died of COVID. 1 in 5! So of course their death count has now slowed.

 

[JoeCamel]

It is very likely that New York has achieved herd immunity amongst their most vulnerable populations. 20% of the population of New York that was living in senior communities and assisted living facility has died of COVID. 1 in 5! So of course their death count has now slowed.

20% geeezzzzeee. Lesson learned, don't play musical chairs with your sick elderly.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It is very likely that New York has achieved herd immunity amongst their most vulnerable populations. 20% of the population of New York that was living in senior communities and assisted living facility has died of COVID. 1 in 5! So of course their death count has now slowed.

I would ask you what you’re reading/watching...but that seems rhetorical...

Enjoy that...and I’ll move on

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

20% geeezzzzeee. Lesson learned, don't play musical chairs with your sick elderly.

Vulnerable population anyway you slice it. But there are certain realities based on WHERE we’re talking about that are hard to explain.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, the rest of the US shutdown because NYC was in the crapper.

I don’t have a reported source but when this all started to erupt, there was a serious plan that placed the military (all branches) on alert to quarantine the tri state area by land, sea, air, etc. The constitutional and, thus, legal crisis was being heavily reviewed by lawyers, scholars, and the White House to implement this movie like isolation. The pentagon was developing a mobilization plan, while this was all being discussed.

Realizing the “revolution” that would ensue from such a action, the Feds delegated any quarantine orders back to the states. Thus, giving the governors the option to mobilize the national guard, if desired.

Obviously, using this “nuclear” option would be detrimental to any re election of anyone looking to remain in office. That all being said, the rights that would be violated by imposing such an action, would bring the nation to the brink of a civil war.

Honestly...that’s possible...but gives more credit than is due. The level of thought may not have been that high...

What is more “likely” is that the business people used their 99% ownership of policy to call it a shutdown. Based on numbers and counsel.