On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

[Jrb1979]

Why? No outbreaks at WDW among guests or cast members. It don’t see anything that says they should have held up on the reopening.

First I will say I find it very sad how political and "Me First" this has become.

To answer you why they shouldn't have opened has nothing to do with outbreaks. I know most of you don't care how things are done in other countries but here they kept our theme parks closed cause they encourage people to travel from other parts of the country. We are trying to keep our cases isolated and encourage people to vacation in their own province.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The Governor of New York was calling it unconstitutional when other states where placing quarantines on people who had been in New York, but now he is all for them.

“Constitutional” keeps getting thrown around and it rarely applies.

Hard border restrictions are a violation of the Interstate Commerce Act...for one...and likely dozens of other federal statutes.

So that was the manifestation of that...

But quarantines are a different story. And that is all that has been enacted anywhere. There are steps to any travel...but you can do it.

 

[Lilofan]

Why? No outbreaks at WDW among guests or cast members. It don’t see anything that says they should have held up on the reopening.

None that's been made public..

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

First I will say I find it very sad how political and "Me First" this has become.

To answer you why they shouldn't have opened has nothing to do with outbreaks. I know most of you don't care how things are done in other countries but here they kept our theme parks closed cause they encourage people to travel from other parts of the country. We are trying to keep our cases isolated and encourage people to vacation in their own province.

Exactly...

Disney has been LUCKY... and that’s a win for everyone. So far.

But the danger of parks and travel was always creating a flashpoint for people to gather, cross their “branches” of the tree...and then go back to other “forests”

All this talk we’ve been - mostly respectfully - engaging in about annual pass availability and caps is a diversion from the problem:
Orlando runs on the out of town...long stays, air travel, timeshares, big bills and budgets.

That has to happen for “Normal”...we’re not there. Opening/reopening was and always will be at the mercy of that.

As long as the risk is perceived...doesn’t matter much what a governor says...whether he’s old, cranky and overtanned or young, stupid, bloated and overtanned.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Okay. Most political statement I'll make on this thread. What this country needs most - more than anything else. Is Political Reform.

Both sides. Both Parties. We would all be so, so, so, much better off.

...red alert, Mr. Sulu

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

...red alert, Mr. Sulu

You're right. I poofed it. I usually can catch it quick - with some guidance.

 

[brianstl]

I would ask you what you’re reading/watching...but that seems rhetorical...

Enjoy that...and I’ll move on

It is well accepted that New York has massively undercounted the amount of deaths among those living in senior/assisted living facilities because New York’s death count only includes those that died at those facilities while excluding those who were transferred to a hospital and died. When you examine all deaths in the US and exclude all of deaths from New York, the percentage of deaths who were senior/assisted living residents is 52.4%.

Apply that percentage to New York and you get 17,039 dead who were senior/assisted living residents. New York has 100,000 senior/assisted living beds. At the start of the outbreak 92% of those beds were occupied. That means 18.5% of New York’s senior/assisted living residents at the start of the outbreak are now dead from COVID-19.

 

[brianstl]

“Constitutional” keeps getting thrown around and it rarely applies.

Hard border restrictions are a violation of the Interstate Commerce Act...for one...and likely dozens of other federal statutes.

So that was the manifestation of that...

But quarantines are a different story. And that is all that has been enacted anywhere. There are steps to any travel...but you can do it.

Interesting take but Cuomo disagreed with you about quarantines a few months ago

Rhode Island repeals order targeting New Yorkers after Cuomo threatens lawsuit

ALBANY — Facing the threat of a lawsuit from New York, Rhode Island Gov. Gina Raimondo repealed a controversial executive order penalizing New Yorkers for traveling into the state mandating that th…

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Saturday evening Cuomo called Rhode Island’s order “unconstitutional” and a “reactionary policy” he was willing to sue over.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It is well accepted that New York has massively undercounted the amount of deaths among those living in senior/assisted living facilities because New York’s death count only includes those that died at those facilities while excluding those who were transferred to a hospital and died. When you examine all deaths in the US and exclude all of deaths from New York, the percentage of deaths who were senior/assisted living residents is 52.4%.

Apply that percentage to New York and you get 17,039 dead who were senior/assisted living residents. New York has 100,000 senior/assisted living beds. At the start of the outbreak 92% of those beds were occupied. That means 18.5% of New York’s senior/assisted living residents at the start of the outbreak are now dead from COVID-19.

Difficult situation and no perfect options...
Nobody loved it including those that made those choices. Know anyone working for health departments in those states? I do two of three...

Making it “the issue” is diversionary from the actual issue. And it’s reprehensible as usual.

But to cut it down (and I no longer wish to keep talking about virus policy)...they had to isolate them...for the amount of cross contamination of staff and VISITORS as anything.

Try telling a 65 year old Italian to not visit her parents in a hospital and then proceed to not infect everyone else in town when they didn’t know what what was gonna happen.

In a (admittedly sick) way...the choice was that scene in every ship/submarine movie where they have to seal the bulkhead door as they try to fix the Engines or seal the breach with people inside...
...control the access point.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Interesting take but Cuomo disagreed with you about quarantines a few months ago

Rhode Island repeals order targeting New Yorkers after Cuomo threatens lawsuit

ALBANY — Facing the threat of a lawsuit from New York, Rhode Island Gov. Gina Raimondo repealed a controversial executive order penalizing New Yorkers for traveling into the state mandating that th…

www.google.com

I’m not saying he didn’t use “unconstitutional”...he was wrong and did it for political emphasis.

That happens across the “spectrum”

The word “unconstitutional” is rarely correct.

 

[Brer Panther]

The COVID19 Genie is out of the bottle and will not be going back in.

So there's no way we can banish it into the Cave of Wonders for ten thousand years?

 

[brianstl]

Difficult situation and no perfect options...
Nobody loved it including those that made those choices. Know anyone working for health departments in those states? I do two of three...

Making it “the issue” is diversionary from the actual issue. And it’s reprehensible as usual.

But to cut it down (and I no longer wish to keep talking about virus policy)...they had to isolate them...for the amount of cross contamination of staff and VISITORS as anything.

Try telling a 65 year old Italian to not visit her parents in a hospital and then proceed to not infect everyone else in town when they didn’t know what what was gonna happen.

In a (admittedly sick) way...the choice was that scene in every ship/submarine movie where they have to seal the bulkhead door as they try to fix the Engines or seal the breach with people inside...
...control the access point.

I am not trying to make an issue out of how New York dealt with residents of senior/assisted living homes. I only suggested that the numbers suggest that New York may have achieved herd immunity amongst its most vulnerable population. You wanted to know how I arrived at my numbers and the suggested I made them up. I only supplied the information I used to reach my conclusion and made no judgement on how New York dealt with that population.

 

[brianstl]

I’m not saying he didn’t use “unconstitutional”...he was wrong and did it for political emphasis.

That happens across the “spectrum”

The word “unconstitutional” is rarely correct.

I agree with you on that, but I never said it was unconstitutional. I only pointed out that Cuomo had called them unconstitutional when applied to New Yorkers prior to his own implementation of quarantine orders on people from other selected states.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I am not trying to make an issue out of how New York dealt with residents of senior/assisted living homes. I only suggested that the numbers suggest that New York may have achieved herd immunity amongst its most vulnerable population. You wanted to know how I arrived at my numbers and the suggested I made them up. I only supplied the information I used to reach my conclusion and made no judgement on how New York dealt with that population.

Point taken...and it’s possible that partial herd was obtained...

But back to attendance/travel...there’s two problems:
1. Cant do that in Florida...or California. Not now. Several key “isms” and “acys” are gonna block it.
2. Travel is going to resume for Disney’s demographics when those people are darn good and ready...not a second sooner. That is really isn’t up for debate.

In a way...the real thing - and house money is on they are fully conscious of this - is Disney is watching/measuring just what their pull is.

I bet it’s not as much as many - including myself and most of the dust brigade - thought it was.

Every instinct tells me they aren’t seeing the demand. As many times as posters say they are “ignoring” the demand...it’s not there.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

Cast members furlough letters will delay layoffs for a while. Writing is on the wall (sadly)

 

[networkpro]

Difficult situation and no perfect options...
Nobody loved it including those that made those choices. Know anyone working for health departments in those states? I do two of three...

Making it “the issue” is diversionary from the actual issue. And it’s reprehensible as usual.

But to cut it down (and I no longer wish to keep talking about virus policy)...they had to isolate them...for the amount of cross contamination of staff and VISITORS as anything.

Try telling a 65 year old Italian to not visit her parents in a hospital and then proceed to not infect everyone else in town when they didn’t know what what was gonna happen.

In a (admittedly sick) way...the choice was that scene in every ship/submarine movie where they have to seal the bulkhead door as they try to fix the Engines or seal the breach with people inside...
...control the access point.

Which he didn't want to do to his own state, that's one of the reasons the death toll in NY is at 32,515.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Which he didn't want to do to his own state, that's one of the reasons the death toll in NY is at 32,515.

I don’t agree with that assessment...but we will still be friends and move on.

 

[Miss Bella]

Is this a new thread on the plague?

 

[Lilofan]

Is this a new thread on the plague?

It's like a roller coaster ride. The ride cars will come back around.

 

[PiratesMansion]

This thread is...
a) Stockholm Syndrome
b) Sunk Cost Fallacy
c) Irrelevant tangents
d) All of the above