Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[legwand77]

My wife, who is in the medical field, was reporting the same week that the hospital she works in conjunction with had no beds available. I mean...we could doubt everything if we want. I could doubt the list you gave me was accurate. Who constructed the data? Who reported it? Was it thorough? Did you manipulate it afterwards? Do you know the sources that provided it?

After a while you have to just learn to trust some things, do more research, or go live in a bunker.

Yes, I choose to go with and trust government, hospitals and state medical reporting agencies, that is where all the data and reports I share comes from. I also have anecdotal stories that I do not share because they are just that anecdotal.

 

[Miss Bella]

My wife, who is in the medical field, was reporting the same week that the hospital she works in conjunction with had no beds available. I mean...we could doubt everything if we want. I could doubt the list you gave me was accurate. Who constructed the data? Who reported it? Was it thorough? Did you manipulate it afterwards? Do you know the sources that provided it?

After a while you have to just learn to trust some things, do more research, or go live in a bunker.

Doesn't the Florida health department have a dashboard for hospital occupancy. I think that would be accurate.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

My wife, who is in the medical field, was reporting the same week that the hospital she works in conjunction with had no beds available. I mean...we could doubt everything if we want. I could doubt the list you gave me was accurate. Who constructed the data? Who reported it? Was it thorough? Did you manipulate it afterwards? Do you know the sources that provided it?

After a while you have to just learn to trust some things, do more research, or go live in a bunker.

Boyfriend used to be an emt, they had to take heart patients to the hospitals that could take heart patients, even if it was the furthest away. (not all hospitals are equipped for heart attacks/ cardiovascular emergencies.) So if they couldn't find an available bed for this person, I'm not surprised.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

We already had a hard core lockdown and it didn't work.

Hard core? Not even close. Some areas yes, others not so much.

 

[VaderTron]

Yes, I choose to go with and trust government, hospitals and state medical reporting agencies, that is where all the data and reports I share comes from. I also have anecdotal stories that I do not share because they are just that anecdotal.

What did I dismiss?

If I took the total income of the entire state of Florida and divided it by the number of citizens I guarantee there would be a nice living wage for every person. However, that doesn't mean there isn't a large number of unemployed, underemployed, homeless, and poverty stricken citizens. It's just the opposite. Stats can be used to cover problems just as easily as to identify them.

 

[Miss Bella]

When it's something that's worth responding to. Most of whats posted isn't worth my time to answer.

You could just ignore it then. You don't need to put a laughing emoji on every post.

 

[Miss Bella]

Hard core? Not even close. Some areas yes, others not so much.

Agreed. We never closed Wal Mart or Costco.

 

[Jrb1979]

Hard core? Not even close. Some areas yes, others not so much.

Here we closed everything but grocery stores, pharmacy, and hospitals for a few months. That was back in March. We are just starting to open indoor dining now. If numbers start going back up our government has no problems going back a stage again.

 

[legwand77]

I guess since it was stated the increase of Covid patients is bad, of course it is bad when anyone gets sick, but here is perspective of that increase as it relates to the overall system, 60K is the overall capacity of the Florida hospital system

 

[Miss Bella]

If I took the total income of the entire state of Florida and divided it by the number of citizens I guarantee there would be a nice living wage for every person. However, that doesn't mean there isn't a large number of unemployed, underemployed, homeless, and poverty stricken citizens. It's just the opposite. Stats can be used to cover problems just as easily as to identify them.

That is an apples to oranges comparison. Hospital availability is straight forward, but it does change by the minute.

 

[VaderTron]

If I took the total income of the entire state of Florida and divided it by the number of citizens I guarantee there would be a nice living wage for every person. However, that doesn't mean there isn't a large number of unemployed, underemployed, homeless, and poverty stricken citizens. It's just the opposite. Stats can be used to cover problems just as easily as to identify them.

The point is, yes many people may be OK financially when you look at the whole, but many are suffering.

Similarly, on the whole the state of FL may have available beds TODAY, but that doesn't mean there haven't been days when people with serious health issues have had to be turned away or sent elsewhere, thus impacting their level of care and perhaps their portion of responsibility to pay. Many insurance companies require that you seek medical attention at in-network facilities. Otherwise, your payment is significantly more.

There are so many issues that are being ignored rather than investigated. Why? Because you are not affected (at the moment) since you do not need hospital care. Damn the ones who do, I need my life back to normal.

 

[legwand77]

If I took the total income of the entire state of Florida and divided it by the number of citizens I guarantee there would be a nice living wage for every person. However, that doesn't mean there isn't a large number of unemployed, underemployed, homeless, and poverty stricken citizens. It's just the opposite. Stats can be used to cover problems just as easily as to identify them.

Not sure why I need to address that, um ok? Like I have been saying all along some hospitals are very busy, especially in south Florida/Miami Dade.

 

[VaderTron]

That is an apples to oranges comparison. Hospital availability is straight forward, but it does change by the minute.

FOR THE STATE. Not locally...My God, you have a major blind spot here. Self imposed for self interests.

 

[Miss Bella]

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FOR THE STATE. Not locally...My God, you have a major blind spot here. Self imposed for self interests.

What self interest do I have in the state of Florida. I just think your wrong.

 

[VaderTron]

Boyfriend used to be an emt, they had to take heart patients to the hospitals that could take heart patients, even if it was the furthest away. (not all hospitals are equipped for heart attacks/ cardiovascular emergencies.) So if they couldn't find an available bed for this person, I'm not surprised.

All of the hospitals in the city had superior heart centers than the rural hospital they were taken to. The issue was lack of availability at the time. Recall that hospitals have been converting beds to increase their ICU capacity. It's one of those things that the posters of the "available bed" stats are ignoring. They have increased ICU beds for Covid-19 patients by DECREASING beds for other uses, such as heart trauma beds. On paper the hospital has room for an emergency. Unfortunately this patient had "the wrong illness" and couldn't be accommodated, an issue that wouldn't have existed with lower numbers of Covid-19 in the region.

 

[havoc315]

We already had a hard core lockdown and it didn't work.

No, Florida never did a hard core lock down. They did a belated soft lock down which they then prematurely lifted.
To this day, there is no statewide mask mandate.

Let's take a look at actual facts:
No statewide "stay at home" order until April 1st. By April 17th, beaches started to re-open. By late April/early May, the State was "re-opening." By mid May, very few restrictions were still in place at all.

So what was the effect of this short-term soft lockdown?

Look at that..... cases were declining as a result of the lockdown. Then the decline stopped almost as soon as the lockdown ended... and as more restrictions were lifted, and people became less careful... the numbers took off. But we very clearly see that the numbers started to decline a week or two into the lockdown.

A harder lockdown, extended for another 2-6 weeks, would have basically wiped the virus out of the state.

If we want to be precise.. on April 1st, the 7-day rolling average of new cases was 828. It peaked on April 7th at 1143. Then we started to see the benefit of the lockdown -- by April 30th, the 7-day average was 578. Then the lockdown was prematurely ended... by May 15th, the 7-day average was up to 705... by May 31, it was 757. By June 15 it was 1774, by June 30th, 2 months after the end of the lockdown, it was 6990. It is currently 11,172..

So those are the facts -- Even the short soft lockdown brought down the cases significantly. It was working, and then ended prematurely.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Recall that hospitals have been converting beds to increase their ICU capacity. It's one of those things that the posters of the "available bed" stats are ignoring. They have increased ICU beds for Covid-19 patients be DECREASING beds for other uses, such as heart trauma beds. On paper the hospital has room for an emergency.

This is a good point

 

[havoc315]

At this point it really doesn't matter.

Of course it matters. Need to learn from the mistakes, and fix them.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

No, Florida never did a hard core lock down. They did a belated soft lock down which they then prematurely lifted.
To this day, there is no statewide mask mandate.

Let's take a look at actual facts:
No statewide "stay at home" order until April 1st. By April 17th, beaches started to re-open. By late April/early May, the State was "re-opening." By mid May, very few restrictions were still in place at all.

So what was the effect of this short-term soft lockdown?

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Look at that..... cases were declining as a result of the lockdown. Then the decline stopped almost as soon as the lockdown ended... and as more restrictions were lifted, and people became less careful... the numbers took off. But we very clearly see that the numbers started to decline a week or two into the lockdown.

A harder lockdown, extended for another 2-6 weeks, would have basically wiped the virus out of the state.

If we want to be precise.. on April 1st, the 7-day rolling average of new cases was 828. It peaked on April 7th at 1143. Then we started to see the benefit of the lockdown -- by April 30th, the 7-day average was 578. Then the lockdown was prematurely ended... by May 15th, the 7-day average was up to 705... by May 31, it was 757. By June 15 it was 1774, by June 30th, 2 months after the end of the lockdown, it was 6990. It is currently 11,172..

So those are the facts -- Even the short soft lockdown brought down the cases significantly. It was working, and then ended prematurely.

What would anyone have to believe if they thought Florida or many other states had a hard core lockdown. It’s blows my mind. Ask some countries what a hard core lock down is. In the states I think people think when the bars are closed is hard core.

 

[legwand77]

Good news for Miami Dade Covid new admissions are down today largest drop in over two weeks and Covid discharges are up. Record number of discharges , kudos to the medical staff.