Matt_Black
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Yeah. It was pretty much established to protect the interests of the slave-owning states.
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Yeah. It was pretty much established to protect the interests of the slave-owning states.
aw14
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Disregarding the electoral system that is in place? Amazing how both parties hate that system if and when they feel it doesn’t benefit them.
orlandogal22
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orlandogal22
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Also - to your point - an interesting article. Food for thought. Not exactly a conservative publication. The author was also a fervent Hillary supporter.
Opinion | The Electoral College Was Not a Pro-Slavery Ploy (Published 2019)
There is a lot wrong with how we choose the president. But the framers did not put it into the Constitution to protect the South.
Matt_Black
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Also - to your point - an interesting article. Food for thought. Not exactly a conservative publication. The author was also a fervent Hillary supporter.
Opinion | The Electoral College Was Not a Pro-Slavery Ploy (Published 2019)
There is a lot wrong with how we choose the president. But the framers did not put it into the Constitution to protect the South.www.nytimes.com
The problem with that article is that the author states that the College was established to avoid choosing the President via the Legislature, except that if no majority emerges there (which, prior to the birth of political parties in the nation, was the most likely outcome), it would get kicked up to the House of Representatives (and has, twice).
Horizons1
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Don’t worry. You’re going to have another four years to complain.
orlandogal22
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Given the author attended Columbia, Oxford, and Yale; is an award-winning scholar and Pulitzer Prize finalist; and current professor of the American Revolutionary Era at Princeton (since 1979), I think I'll consider his "take" on the matter to be more worthy than your "problem" with the article.
Again, it was simply food for thought.
Sean Wilentz
Sean Wilentz studies U.S. social and political history. He received his Ph.D. in history from Yale University (1980) after earning bachelor’s degrees from Columbia University (1972) and Balliol College, Oxford University (1974)
Matt_Black
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Given the author attended Columbia, Oxford, and Yale; is an award-winning scholar and Pulitzer Prize finalist; and current professor of the American Revolutionary Era at Princeton (since 1979), I think I'll consider his "take" on the matter to be more worthy than your "problem" with the article.
Again, it was simply food for thought.
Sean Wilentz
Sean Wilentz studies U.S. social and political history. He received his Ph.D. in history from Yale University (1980) after earning bachelor’s degrees from Columbia University (1972) and Balliol College, Oxford University (1974)history.princeton.edu
Oh, well if it's opinions from YALE that sway you, here's a rebuttal-
https://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1789&context=fss_papers
Donaldfan1934
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Keep in mind the petition against the removal already had more signatures prior to Disney’s announcement. I know because I was keeping track.
Chi84
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Why do people keep talking about petitions? It’s obvious Disney is not making this decision based on petitions or polls. Disney thinks it’s the right thing to do. Of course every company wants its customers to be happy, but the small number of die-hard Disney fans signing petitions or posting on these sites is likely not representative of the average guest. I’m sure Disney has looked at this from all sides.
Matt_Black
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And that's assuming everyone is acting in good faith and not using sockpuppet accounts to try and boost numbers for one side or the other.
Willmark
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Or if that’s how we voted then it would matter.
orlandogal22
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What opinion is necessary from Yale to "sway" me? I said Wilentz has been a professor at Princeton since 1979.
I was only offering food for thought as based on your initial statement. Nothing more. Nothing less.
(BTW, I'm registered independent so you don't need to "sway" me; I hold my own opinions with no D or R affiliation).
Sue_Vongello
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I have to disagree. I’ve been in these board rooms- please don’t believe that Disney is doing what they think it’s right- these are carefully discussed, strictly thinking about publicity or direct impact on revenue. This decision could only be motivated by those issues not by a company deciding to do something righteous or moral.
But I do agree that petitions don’t reflect the average guest because the average guest wouldn’t care at all about the theme of Splash and has no idea what it’s origins are (just another reason the change is odd). Or maybe the petitions do reflect that? Considering the people that want Splash changed reflect 0.0003% of the park going population?
Chi84
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Well I’ve had 36 years’ worth of experience with WDW vacations so I do have some basis for my opinion of the company and how it has operated through the years. Disney has always been progressive and inclusive. For example, the company went over and above in accommodating the disabled well before the law required it to the extent it does now. I believe the change to SM is a continuation of how the company has always operated.
But even if your theory is correct, the company is still doing what it wants - just for less exemplary reasons. Petitions aren’t going to change anything.
Donaldfan1934
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Is it obvious? Although Disney may have been considering doing this beforehand as claimed, they at least announced it as a reaction to the petitions and polls, which naturally brings their influence into the discussion. Such influence is particularly noteworthy given that the announcement occurred during a time of economic uncertainty where the company arguably would’ve been better off not responding at all than making a public declaration to spend money on a project that’ll cost them at least tens of millions of dollars. If you couple that with publicly available numbers on said petitions and polls, this comes across as Disney letting the demands of a vocal minority dictate major financial decisions even if they were eventually going to make the same decision regardless.
Chi84
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Well if they’re swayed by petitions and there are so many more petitioners asking them to keep Splash as it is, they’ll change their decision. No worries.
Matt_Black
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I mean, they're not as showy as, say, Ben & Jerry's. They tend to be quiet. Like they didn't make a big show of pulling funding from the BSA, they just released a very simple statement (not that that mattered to people who wanted to be outraged because of that).
LittleBuford
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Apart from adding Wales, please! It is the only part of the main U.K. not represented. It is recognised as having the oldest language in Europe and has its own National dress, a fantastic flag and one of the finest anthems in the world!.
While I agree with you that some Welsh representation would be lovely, the bolded is a popular misconception.
Is Welsh the oldest language?
This misconception about Welsh is slightly different, in that it tends to be propagated by well-wishers who actually defend the language (you can’t say that this website is entirely one-sided!). Ma…
whywelsh.wordpress.com
Matt_Black
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While I agree with you that some Welsh representation would be lovely, the bolded is a popular misconception.
Is Welsh the oldest language?
This misconception about Welsh is slightly different, in that it tends to be propagated by well-wishers who actually defend the language (you can’t say that this website is entirely one-sided!). Ma…
If you want Welsh representation, you really need to be an RPG nerd in the 90s, because you couldn't swing a dead cat in a game store without hitting a book that had at least a passing reference to something Welsh. Old World Of Darkness in particular seemed very Welsh friendly.
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