Splash Mountain re-theme announced

[Brer Panther]

Is the porcupine at both too? Porcupines don’t live in the southeastern US.

Yes, he's in both versions.

 

[21stamps]

I am not a fan of Megyn Kelly, but she got canned for simply asking a question.

The craziest is part is that while not everyone needs to or should agree with all of her views, they should respect her strength and career path. Megyn turned Roger on his head, and benefited from the mentorship given.
She is one more subject where I don’t think the bandwagon realizes what they’re hating on. They prefer victims.

 

[SilentWindODoom]

I’ll start with Tiana, as it’s by far the lighter of the two subjects. In Disney’s ‘we’re going to right 2 wrongs with 1 movie!!’’ story, we meet an ambitious girl with a life long dream of opening a restaurant. Girl falls in love, has a chance to return to achieving that dream, the one she worked and sacrificed so much for.. but decided to choose a man instead. then, a happy ending because someone else’s magic righted it. Not exactly the 2 for 1 after all. Really just the same princess story as all the ones before.

Okay. As I finished my last message with two options, and I'm still not sure which occurrence you're talking about. Funnily enough, most of the conversation has been misunderstandings and not being clear. Do you mean when she decides she doesn't want to have the man she loves marry her best friend for the money to get her restaurant? She literally tells him that she'll still work to get it. She'll still fulfill her dreams. She doesn't give up on them. She can do both.

Now, CoP.
Have you ever been on it?
I’m asking this, because if you had, there is no way that you could ask ‘what could make women feel a certain way about what they’re watching?’ I can’t reconcile the 2 if you have.

I have been. Many times. Also, I had absolutely no thoughts as to views on women being a thread through the comments because we were talking about racism and then general offensiveness. I suppose that gives more explanation to the meaning behind comments about Elsa. Although I'm still not sure about exactly what you meant by glamming up. If you mean the "Let It Go" sequence, well that's all about her... letting go and if that's how she thinks that looks or what being free means to her, I'm not going to judge.

I mostly asked what you meant by Elsa being close because I wasn't sure if you were unhappy she didn't come out. I've been of the mind that I'm happy with where she is. Ace people have a lot less heroes and heroines to look up to.

Your accusation of “offended” couldn’t be more off base though.. especially not if you’ve read anything I’ve written on these pages.

I’m not offended by history. History is what it is. What’s important is to recognize it and realize we’re creating history every day. Realizing that it will continue to be created after we’re gone. What we can do, is try to have an impact on that, even by actively creating our own history, as individuals. We should appreciate the past without being defined by it. The wrongs of the past with things like skin color and gender, don’t have to linger in today., not if we refuse to be a victim to it, and refuse to perpetuate the stereotypes.

Heh. I read a lot today, and despite your first response to me seeming to paint me as the opposite, I wholeheartedly am on the same page as you with a lot of things. The language echoing something said early was meant to try to make that clear. People have spent the last ten pages listing small things that people could cancel Carousel over. I was shocked after all that talk you referred to Carousel as "stomach-churning". But I was completely in the dark, so as far as I knew it was the outdated final scene.

CoP is a stark reminder of a patriarchal society (for lack of a better phrase), of how women were viewed and treated. I don’t watch it and feel defeated, I watch it and feel so happy, grateful, and proud that women have come so far since. For me, personally, the title means so much more than progress in things like appliances, it means progress in society. I feel the same when I hear the song.

Tearing it down or replacing it with women in a new role would not change the history of what it was like for women at that time, all it does is hide it, which imo is a disservice to everyone. We don’t need to forget what happened in the past, take down all reminders of this country’s complicated past, banish it all to museums.. let people see, let people discuss when discussion isn’t expected. What was is not what is now. We all know that.

Of course, it's been so long I don't remember every part. You're right, though. Making it different now to make it less historically accurate but more inclusive would be insulting.

Also, I feel like the conversation would have all made sense if I knew you were a woman before reading this post. I honestly just pictured you as MJ.

Jeez, there's low hanging fruit there.

 

[Magenta Panther]

Yeah, you sure showed me Mr. Keyboard Warrior. I definitely learned my lesson on not to cross the end-all be-all of forum opinion, Magenta Panther, who is literally a running joke on twitter.

Since you seem to frequent that haven for humorless, self-righteous thumbsuckers, DO let those nitTwits know that I'm devastated, absolutely devastated, by their opinions of me.

 

[Kate F]

What’s actually offensive:

WDW’s Splash Mountain in particular is an icon and a masterpiece of Imagineering. I think the complete disregard for all of Splash Mountain’s great qualities in favor of the few bits that might be considered “problematic” is offensive.

 

[21stamps]

Also, I feel like the conversation would have all made sense if I knew you were a woman before reading this post. I honestly just pictured you as MJ.

I often get assumed to be a “he” here.. even when my photo isn’t MJ. Not quite sure why.. at least your reason was a legit one.

I’ll be various photos of MJ thru August, so I’ll probably get it even more often now. Lol

 

[21stamps]

I mostly asked what you meant by Elsa being close because I wasn't sure if you were unhappy she didn't come out

Oh, I meant to address this,.

NO. That would have been the worst thing!! Replacing one stereotype with another.

 

[Magenta Panther]

The "Magical Negro" is a racist trope created by white people:

Magical Negro - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes, I've read about that trope. Hmmm, Magical Negro, huh?

Then what would you call THIS guy?

 

[21stamps]

Yes, I've read about that trope. Hmmm, Magical Negro, huh?

Then what would you call THIS guy?

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That poster literally labeled Louis Armstrong, Berry Gordy, and the Jacksons as “Uncle Toms”.- all men who broke..no, not broke, who shattered racial barriers and the latter who also made a career writing and singing so many songs about equality.

I think it’s fair to assume several of the posts are meant to be inflammatory, nothing more.

 

[orlandogal22]

That poster literally labeled Louis Armstrong, Berry Gordy, and the Jacksons as “Uncle Toms”.- all men who broke..no, not broke, who shattered racial barriers and the latter who made a career writing and singing so many songs about equality.

I think it’s fair to assume several of the posts are meant to be inflammatory, nothing more.

Plus, we never got a clear answer on the "Get a Job" / "Got a Job" rebuttal! I'm still trying to figure that one out! Ha!

 

[Matt_Black]

Yes, I've read about that trope. Hmmm, Magical Negro, huh?

Then what would you call THIS guy?

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They don't mean literally. Admittedly, in many instances the character in question does have powers, but that's incidental to their narrative purpose and why the trope is named thusly. Do you watch the Ironman Triathlon and say, "HEY! None of these guys are made of metal! I assume there have iron in there blood, but statistically within the ranges of normal human biology!"

 

[thomas998]

Even ignoring the slavery/ Reconstruction portions, the movie isn't even ABOUT Uncle Remus. His main narrative focus in the film is to make a little white kid feel better about himself. He doesn't have any goals of his own. That's a continuing trope in American fiction that has been often criticized.

What was the slavery portion of the movie, since it was set after the Civil War?

 

[SilentWindODoom]

I often get assumed to be a “he” here.. even when my photo isn’t MJ. Not quite sure why.. at least your reason was a legit one.

I’ll be various photos of MJ thru August, so I’ll probably get it even more often now. Lol

I did notice someone get corrected from he to she, but I was looking at my phone while sitting outside of a rental place for a sec and it was hard to keep track of who said what.

Also saw the whole Job argument, and was pretty sure you were on the side trying to figure it out, which made it DOUBLY hilarious that most of our back and forth was me attempting to divine what the crap you were specifically talking about and getting nowhere until the end.

NO. That would have been the worst thing!! Replacing one stereotype with another.

Sadly, it's tough. No matter what her outcome, if she doesn't end up in a healthy straight relationship, some segments of people could blame it on her trauma, claiming she's broken because of it. It sucks that it can be seen as feeding into such stereotypes.

 

[thomas998]

I’ll start with Tiana, as it’s by far the lighter of the two subjects. In Disney’s ‘we’re going to right 2 wrongs with 1 movie!!’’ story, we meet an ambitious girl with a life long dream of opening a restaurant. Girl falls in love, has a chance to return to achieving that dream, the one she worked and sacrificed so much for.. but decided to choose a man instead. then, a happy ending because someone else’s magic righted it. Not exactly the 2 for 1 after all. Really just the same princess story as all the ones before.

If you are trying to go after Tiana in the Princess and the Frog you don't have to bother with attacking its patronizing portrayal of women, it is much easier to use the Woke Warrior methodology, Tiana is using cultural misappropriation by having a white hair style, or you can attack it as trying to make young black girl believe that they need to cover up their natural hair and adopt a white style to be successful or beautiful. Frankly of all the token princesses Disney has created from Pocahontas to Moana, Tiana is the one that appears to deviate the most from the racially realistic look to a more European look with only a change to the color of the skin. Yet they are going to use this to smooth over the ruffled feathers of African Americans that were picketing daily outside Splash Mountain. It makes me wonder what idiot inside Disney comes up with these brilliant plans.

 

[21stamps]

I did notice someone get corrected from he to she, but I was looking at my phone while sitting outside of a rental place for a sec and it was hard to keep track of who said what.

Also saw the whole Job argument, and was pretty sure you were on the side trying to figure it out, which made it DOUBLY hilarious that most of our back and forth was me attempting to divine what the crap you were specifically talking about and getting nowhere until the end.



Sadly, it's tough. No matter what her outcome, if she doesn't end up in a healthy straight relationship, some segments of people could blame it on her trauma, claiming she's broken because of it. It sucks that it can be seen as feeding into such stereotypes.

I still haven’t figured out the Jobs post

Re: Elsa .. she doesn’t need to end up without a love interest in her life, but she has plenty of time to figure that out, and she won’t need to be saved when it does happen.

 

[Kate F]

This is what the cesspool known as Twitter thinks of us:

 

[disneygeek90]

I still haven’t figured out the Jobs post

Re: Elsa .. she doesn’t need to end up without a love interest in her life, but she has plenty of time to figure that out, and she won’t need to be saved when it does happen.

She doesn’t need to, and she likely won’t, but that doesn’t mean I’m not shipping her with Honeymaren

 

[Matt_Black]

This is what the cesspool known as Twitter thinks of us:

Yes, how dare they take umbrage over your outrage about fantasy talking rabbits getting pulled from a log flume ride.

 

[Little Green Men]

This is what the cesspool known as Twitter thinks of us:

 

[21stamps]

This is what the cesspool known as Twitter thinks of us:

It’s super creepy that someone took the time to make that thread.