DHS Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway confirmed

[BrianLo]

Mystic Manor, and PHH, are MUCH smaller building, and more intimate. To get through all of the GMR building, you'll be moving at a decent clip. The layout may look similar, but the distances are much larger for MMRR And they have really pushed the projection portion as the WOW factor. There will be set dressing around, but with the screens full of movement, there won't be much need for other stuff as you zip through.

None of which can be surmised from the blueprints.

I’m not say you wont be right, but there is a ton of guesswork on your part.

Set dressing and vehicle speeds are not something that can be determined by these blueprints.

Zippy in and of itself makes it different than Rat though. I actually hope for zippy

 

[Hawg G]

You seem like you're trying to pick a fight. Relax. Maybe Universal is more your cup of tea. Nothing wrong with that

Nah, just always find it amusing when Disney announces an all screen ride and it's praised, and Universal is panned.

If this is Pooh's Hunny Hunt with screens, and some Ratatouille added (actually much below PHH), then it will be a great ride. If it has a lot of Mystic Manor type stuff added, it would be fantastic, but since the whole world will likely be projected, that wouldn't add much.

 

[britain]

It's quite true that while the Mystic Manor graphic above includes set furnishings, there's no reason for the construction workers to have such things on their Runaway Railway blueprints.

 

[Kman101]

Nah, just always find it amusing when Disney announces an all screen ride and it's praised, and Universal is panned.

If this is Pooh's Hunny Hunt with screens, and some Ratatouille added (actually much below PHH), then it will be a great ride. If it has a lot of Mystic Manor type stuff added, it would be fantastic, but since the whole world will likely be projected, that wouldn't add much.

There's absolute hypocrisy in the fanbases. I agree. I think screens have a place (River Journey uses them well, IMHO) but I don't want to ride through a box and look at screens. I want immersion. I imagine we'll be immersed here, but that's assuming they truly knock this out of the park (they need to; it's the signature Mickey ride)

I don't believe they are projecting onto all flat surfaces, but I could be wrong. It will be interesting to see how it's pulled off. I hope it's not just rolling through scenes with an animatronic and a screen background. But some of it may be that. We only have piece-meals of information so it's hard to imagine what it will end up looking like.

It seems many who are in the know are agreeing this ride will be great. Just of course should have been built elsewhere, though I think they did well to make it fit the Chinese theater, and I understand wanting Mickey in the centerpiece attraction at the hub of the re-imagined park ... but I loved Great Movie Ride and it will feel so strange being in that building and riding a new attraction.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Nah, just always find it amusing when Disney announces an all screen ride and it's praised, and Universal is panned.

If this is Pooh's Hunny Hunt with screens, and some Ratatouille added (actually much below PHH), then it will be a great ride. If it has a lot of Mystic Manor type stuff added, it would be fantastic, but since the whole world will likely be projected, that wouldn't add much.

No one has issue with rides that use screens. The issue with universal was every single ride built in the past few years are primarily screen based... and one of their theme parks alone has 6 screen attractions...

 

[Kman101]

No one has issue with rides that use screens. The issue with universal was every single ride built in the past few years are primarily screen based... and one of their theme parks alone has 6 screen attractions...

Exactly.

And Universal is in the process of addressing it. Unfortunately for them in the midst of it they launch three screen based rides in Orlando, in an already screen-based heavy park ... at least Universal Hollywood is getting SLOP (Islands is getting Hagrid's, which features animatronics, while still a coaster ... so they're getting there) and both are getting Nintendo at some point ...

 

[Hawg G]

You are on a "train" so I have no doubt it will be "zippy". Original flavor dark rides on a track move you around pretty quickly past the cardboard ... I'm glad though you've decided it's a fail before we even see how it is on the inside. I hope you're pleasantly surprised but you've apparently made up your mind on this

And I notice you often bypass the fact it will indeed have animatronics. And more than one

Not sure when I've said this will be a fail. I was the one who first compared it to Pooh's Hunny Hunt, an absolutely fantastic ride that has been operating for MANY years in Tokyo. It's about damn time something like it made it stateside. And no, Ratatouille does not compare to PHH.

It will be a heavy screen ride, like most Disney rides now. But I think this ride may be the best new ride at DHS. I think the salivating for RotR may be hard to live up to. SR has already had too much reality brought in, and folks are realizing it may just not be all that.

This ride SHOULD be the marquee attraction of the park. It's behind the Weenie, it stars Mickey, and is in a HUGE building.

As for AAs, Most all Disney rides now end with a group shot of AAs. So, that's no surprise. It is more what level they will be. Even in Frozen, Olaf is awesome, twice. But the ending ones have horrific glowing faces, and little movement. It depends where these AAs fall on the spectrum. I expect near the middle, except for one set of M&M.

If the scene we've already seen is M&M AAs in a car, and not a screen, like I, and most probably, thought, those will be pretty simple, for obvious reasons.

 

[TJJohn12]

I thought that the screens here were not intended to be flat (at least in the demo video from d23) but would be projection mapping on layered flats and other surfaces, to give motion and depth... that sounds like even a step up in complexity over some of the scenes in Mystic Manor - particularly the whirlwind. If they can do that fantastic scene with four white walls, four projectors, and a few fans... this ride should be amazing.

 

[Hawg G]

I thought that the screens here were not intended to be flat (at least in the demo video from d23) but would be projection mapping on layered flats and other surfaces, to give motion and depth... that sounds like even a step up in complexity over some of the scenes in Mystic Manor - particularly the whirlwind. If they can do that fantastic scene with four white walls, four projectors, and a few fans... this ride should be amazing.

There were people posting concept vids of multiple layered projections, but I don't think those were from Disney. What I saw was some amazing stuff, only doable for a single pair of eyes. You could maybe do similar from a car of eyes, but certainly not from multiple cars full of eyes.

 

[TJJohn12]

There were people posting concept vids of multiple layered projections, but I don't think those were from Disney. What I saw was some amazing stuff, only doable for a single pair of eyes. You could maybe do similar from a car of eyes, but certainly not from multiple cars full of eyes.

The b-roll here from the mock-up location shot with a imagineer smartphone (under Kevin’s narration, not the one he paused for which he says was the first test) sure as heck looks to be projection mapping on multiple layers of flats (the trees, the roller coaster, etc.).

 

[mickEblu]

They can call it whatever. I see large rooms, that will contain 4 cars at a time, so 4 points of convergence. I suspect the walls will be almost all projected. Besides the starting tunnel, which may have something unique on the right of the vehicles, or that could be where the Goofy engine returns to the next group. The rest of the rooms seem just open rooms.

As I said, perhaps some moving walls aren't shown, but they are very limited in what they can do with multiple vehicles. They can hype all they want, and they will. They have you spouting out 2.5D just like they trained you.

They will convince you 2.5D is better than 3D that Ratatouille has. Even though 2.5D is nothing but a term created by a bunch of marketers in a room one day that may or may not have contained an Imagineer

We'll see. It will be a neat ride, but I think it will end up like Smugglers Run. A ride everyone thought was going to blow their minds, that reality has slowly crept in and beat down PR speak, and folks now have much more controlled expectations of it. Some even expecting it to be pretty non-mind blowing

I’m not sure I (or we) have enough info to agree with you on MMRR and I hope you re wrong but I’m convinced that the Falcon ride is a D ticket in E tickets clothing.

 

[Hawg G]

The b-roll here from the mock-up location shot with a imagineer smartphone (under Kevin’s narration, not the one he paused for which he says was the first test) sure as heck looks to be projection mapping on multiple layers of flats (the trees, the roller coaster, etc.).

If you look at the layout, and use it's scale (the Building is 200 top to bottom, and 300 left to right. So, take the Twister room, it is about 40x60. If the PR pics are to be believed, the cars are 2 rows of 4, and probably have at least an operating envelope of 10 x 10. But usually even more than that. So at least 30 x 30 of that 40 x 60 is the 4 cars. You can see the two lanes for the cars leaving the stampede, with something in between them, is about 40 feet wide. Add in space from the walls, and the fact that it is really a bit smaller, and some corners are curved, and you just don't have much extra room in there for other surfaces all over.

Point being, I just don't see many of these spaces having room for other surfaces for depth. And objects in the middle would be odd, since the projector putting light on it will also put light on you as you go in front of it, so it simply won't work. What is lined up perfectly for one car for it to look cool will look completely off for the other 3 cars. The multiple layers and depth are likely EXACTLY like Cinderella's Castle. THere are multiple surfaces, curves, and different layers. The projections will be mapped to the wall, and maybe just one section will change, and maybe that section looks a look closer to you, but there can't be much depth, or you would see shadows between them. Just like sitting far to the side of the castle.

It's going to be a good ride. But Disney doesn't possess magical powers. Very little they've done for 20 years has been ground breaking. SR's crazy PR pitches are being pounded by reality, and so will this and RotR. There is only so much than can be done with multiple cars. That's the whole reason Walt had the Omnimovers invented, so he could COMPLETELY control your point of view. Well, trackless vehicles are completely different. They have huge plusses, but they remove that POV control when done in large groups instead of one at a time like Spider-man (yeah, I know, it isn't trackless).

 

[Hawg G]

One thing I do find odd is the part where all 4 cars are separate. The layout of that room is odd, so taking the time for the cars to get in place, see the video, back out, and leave is going to be a lot. If that is just 30 seconds, which wouldn't give much time for the movie, unless they face the incoming cars North so they can't see the cars leaving South, gaining some overlap.

There are 10 scenes, but are numbered as only 6 different ones. However, even with 1 minute dispatches of 24 people, that would be an hourly capacity of 1440, which isn't awful. My guess is closer to 45 second "scenes" boosting theoretical capacity to ~2200. And the scene counting is truly "scenes, meaning the ride has 6 x 45 second "scenes" for a 4:30 ride time. Which seems right, but it also means you'll be cooking through scene 6 Culvert/Big City Snarl/Dance Studio.

This ride is going to be crazy as hell, with such huge theme changes from room to room, and not a lot of time in each room.

 

[TJJohn12]

If you look at the layout, and use it's scale (the Building is 200 top to bottom, and 300 left to right. So, take the Twister room, it is about 40x60. If the PR pics are to be believed, the cars are 2 rows of 4, and probably have at least an operating envelope of 10 x 10. But usually even more than that. So at least 30 x 30 of that 40 x 60 is the 4 cars. You can see the two lanes for the cars leaving the stampede, with something in between them, is about 40 feet wide. Add in space from the walls, and the fact that it is really a bit smaller, and some corners are curved, and you just don't have much extra room in there for other surfaces all over.

Point being, I just don't see many of these spaces having room for other surfaces for depth. And objects in the middle would be odd, since the projector putting light on it will also put light on you as you go in front of it, so it simply won't work. What is lined up perfectly for one car for it to look cool will look completely off for the other 3 cars. The multiple layers and depth are likely EXACTLY like Cinderella's Castle. THere are multiple surfaces, curves, and different layers. The projections will be mapped to the wall, and maybe just one section will change, and maybe that section looks a look closer to you, but there can't be much depth, or you would see shadows between them. Just like sitting far to the side of the castle.

It's going to be a good ride. But Disney doesn't possess magical powers. Very little they've done for 20 years has been ground breaking. SR's crazy PR pitches are being pounded by reality, and so will this and RotR. There is only so much than can be done with multiple cars. That's the whole reason Walt had the Omnimovers invented, so he could COMPLETELY control your point of view. Well, trackless vehicles are completely different. They have huge plusses, but they remove that POV control when done in large groups instead of one at a time like Spider-man (yeah, I know, it isn't trackless).

I’m getting what you’re saying now, but I’m not as reticent I guess. I’m expecting some lens voodoo and extreme keystoning to help protect projection paths from being hit by the ride vehicle envelope. It sounds hokey, but I’m expecting they’ll do it all with mirrors (as the saying goes).

Though I’m actually not sure that this is “exactly” like Cinderella Castle. Cindy is a complex 3-D canvas, so projection on the surface needs to be complex and meaningful from all angles. And HEA failed at that - it still sucks from anywhere but dead-on in the Hub.

But I’m expecting that the lack of dimensionality will be a feature not a bug here. With contoured flats as projection surfaces, it drops the necessity of multiple angle projection to make it look good. With a deep enough saturation, even a slightly oblique angle on a flat will be meaningful and vibrant.

I’m also expecting the storytelling (at least as I’m reading these layouts) to be less Rat-style “all vehicles facing one screen together” and instead each vehicle having its own focus in the scene - or swapping focus as they move through. Marni’s description of “ballet” seems to hint at vehicles shuffling within each show scene, meaning that a set of flats can either loop or - more to my guess - show something different but meaningful to each vehicle as it focuses on it.

 

[SaveDinosaur]

Or rather not worth what was lost for it.

Horizons?

 

[Hawg G]

I’m getting what you’re saying now, but I’m not as reticent I guess. I’m expecting some lens voodoo and extreme keystoning to help protect projection paths from being hit by the ride vehicle envelope. It sounds hokey, but I’m expecting they’ll do it all with mirrors (as the saying goes).

Though I’m actually not sure that this is “exactly” like Cinderella Castle. Cindy is a complex 3-D canvas, so projection on the surface needs to be complex and meaningful from all angles. And HEA failed at that - it still sucks from anywhere but dead-on in the Hub.

But I’m expecting that the lack of dimensionality will be a feature not a bug here. With contoured flats as projection surfaces, it drops the necessity of multiple angle projection to make it look good. With a deep enough saturation, even a slightly oblique angle on a flat will be meaningful and vibrant.

I’m also expecting the storytelling (at least as I’m reading these layouts) to be less Rat-style “all vehicles facing one screen together” and instead each vehicle having its own focus in the scene - or swapping focus as they move through. Marni’s description of “ballet” seems to hint at vehicles shuffling within each show scene, meaning that a set of flats can either loop or - more to my guess - show something different but meaningful to each vehicle as it focuses on it.

The reason you think HEA sucks is because I'm pretty sure there are only projectors from straight on, and I'd be amazed if they overlap much. That's the whole point, and why there is only so much this ride can do. The light comes from one source. Yeah, they could have projectors on the side projecting tiny little slivers on the sides of objects, but I just don't see it happening.

The Ballet is from Pooh's Hunny Hunt. In the main show scene at the beginning, your group splits up a lot from side to side as you go through the 3 sub sections. Then there is the Huffleumps and Woozles room where it is just chaos with all the cars moving around from one effect spot to another, and there is a car with characters in it (non moving). However, you spend a lot of time in the H&W room. WIth the layout, and scenes listed, you aren't going to be in the dance studio very long at all, and it's not very big, so the "ballet" looks to be brief.

 

[180º]

I’m not sure I (or we) have enough info to agree with you on MMRR and I hope you re wrong but I’m convinced that the Falcon ride is a D ticket in E tickets clothing.

This is true, IMO.

We’ll see about MMRR, but the blueprint only has me more excited, if anything!

 

[peter11435]

The reason you think HEA sucks is because I'm pretty sure there are only projectors from straight on, and I'd be amazed if they overlap much. That's the whole point, and why there is only so much this ride can do. The light comes from one source. Yeah, they could have projectors on the side projecting tiny little slivers on the sides of objects, but I just don't see it happening.

The Ballet is from Pooh's Hunny Hunt. In the main show scene at the beginning, your group splits up a lot from side to side as you go through the 3 sub sections. Then there is the Huffleumps and Woozles room where it is just chaos with all the cars moving around from one effect spot to another, and there is a car with characters in it (non moving). However, you spend a lot of time in the H&W room. WIth the layout, and scenes listed, you aren't going to be in the dance studio very long at all, and it's not very big, so the "ballet" looks to be brief.

You sure do assume a lot from a single diagram...

 

[mickEblu]

This is true, IMO.

We’ll see about MMRR, but the blueprint only has me more excited, if anything!

Have you or anyone you know been on it? Or are you just piecing together the info the way I am? It makes sense if you think about it. I knew 2 new E tickets AND the biggest/ most immersive land of all time would be too good to be true. It would have been like Wizarding World and Diagon Alley opening together in the same park with FJ and the new Hagrid ride. I would have said Gringotts but it doesn’t sound like that’s a real E ticket.

I think Mickey will be the best ride of the 3!

 

[Hawg G]

You sure do assume a lot from a single diagram...

It's not assuming. It's how rides work. Each "scene" has to be teh same length. This diagram clearly shows the waterfall scene as the longest, and it is followed by 3 short scenes A/B/C that all must total the same length as all other scenes. Ride times have come down to a paltry 4-5 minutes. Based on the other trackless dark rides.

It doesn't take much assuming at all, really.