A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

NearTheEars

Well-Known Member
Looks new to me. I guess "Please stand clear of the doors..." wasn't a clear enough message.

I’m not usually one to complain over little things, but these signs are pretty jarring. I wonder if there was some sort of incident, especially since the driver came on over the normal spiel to make it clear to stay away from the doors.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
I’m not usually one to complain over little things, but these signs are pretty jarring. I wonder if there was some sort of incident, especially since the driver came on over the normal spiel to make it clear to stay away from the doors.

There's almost always a reason for warnings. My guess? Someone was leaning against a door, didn't realize it was going to be the door to open, and fell out onto a platform. And I'll also guess that guest was compensated for their stupidity.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
There's almost always a reason for warnings. My guess? Someone was leaning against a door, didn't realize it was going to be the door to open, and fell out onto a platform. And I'll also guess that guest was compensated for their stupidity.

Well that just means they've had fools
Falling out onto the platforms...

Becuse the average traveler suspends all observance of common sense...because Mickey wouldn't hurt anyone, right?

Funny thing is under all those signs with disney font/paint, there is a massive heavy industrial operation going on each day...and physics stay the same.

People do dumb things like jumping up and down in elevators with emergency clamps, lean on mass transit doors, throw chicken to alligators off their balconies...

Plain stupid stuff.
 

smile

Well-Known Member
Becuse the average traveler suspends all observance of common sense...because Mickey wouldn't hurt anyone, right?

Funny thing is under all those signs with disney font/paint, there is a massive heavy industrial operation going on each day...and physics stay the same.

seems each day we're reminded bad things can happen anywhere, at any time...
and yes, that certainly includes inside the bubble - diz magic can't replace sa, no matter how many folks may forget.

situational awareness, ya'll - learn it, live it, love it
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
seems each day we're reminded bad things can happen anywhere, at any time...
and yes, that certainly includes inside the bubble - diz magic can't replace sa, no matter how many folks may forget.
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situational awareness, ya'll - learn it, live it, love it

People ask why I run/bike without 'tunes' well it maintains SA for one, How many people get assaulted while exercising because they were plugged into a portable music system and have NO AWARENESS of what's going on around them, Up to and including that 4 wheeler driven by a teen on the running path where it's not allowed. But the jogger up on the trail has no clue it's there because they are plugged into their music system.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
People ask why I run/bike without 'tunes' well it maintains SA for one, How many people get assaulted while exercising because they were plugged into a portable music system and have NO AWARENESS of what's going on around them, Up to and including that 4 wheeler driven by a teen on the running path where it's not allowed. But the jogger up on the trail has no clue it's there because they are plugged into their music system.

If people get assaulted running they need to:

1. Move to a better neigborhood
2. Push themselves a little to develop a quicker pace when needed
 

Princess Leia

Well-Known Member
TLJ is pretty much bombing in China.

Especially when you take into account how much they spent marketing it there and that it's showing on more screens than any other film.

It was obvious from the first midnight screenings that things weren't good - TLJ took in only $560K, versus TFA's $2.5M.

The news hasn't gotten better over the weekend, because as of right now, it's at about $8.2M - struggling to keep in second place, versus the #1 film (locally made "The Ex-File Part 3" - a romantic comedy) which has made almost double so far ($15.8M), despite playing on less screens.

Given that Jumanji is coming next week, and it has outperformed estimates everywhere it has opened, this is going to en up being pretty embarrassing, IMO, because it's just down from here. I've seen some start to pull out the old "Well, Star Wars isn't big in China because the original films weren't see there for many years..." etc. excuses, but TFA ended up pulling in $124M there, despite that. TLJ is going to struggle to bring in a 1/3 or even 1/4 of that when all is said and done.
Disney needs to stop thinking that China will boost the box office for Star Wars. It just isn't popular over there.

Marvel however, pulls in a lot of money for them.
 

smile

Well-Known Member
2. Push themselves a little to develop a quicker pace when needed

do believe that right there was the intended point...
'when needed' is an unknown when your entire mindspace is consumed with that killer chorus.

besides, being on trails and such can be much more fulfilling if you allow yourself to be fully immersed (sound familiar?) in your surroundings; a side-effect of which is gaining keen awareness of the trees, the breeze, the bee's, and that doofus coming up on the quad.
 

trainplane3

Well-Known Member
Is this new? The driver even came on over the speakers with a reminder.

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Agreeing with others in that replied to this. I noticed it when I was in WDW over Christmas but weren't there in mid August. So they put them up sometime between those times.

Then again, the "don't stick your hands here" stickers on the bus don't work when your kid puts their head in there and the door opens on them. And the parents weren't watching. Then proceeded to yell at the driver. Then yelled at the front desk. Luckily other passengers stepped in to defend the driver. That was a fun time.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
As far as Star Wars goes...

Just googling last jedi yielded these today:

https://www.google.com/amp/comicboo...-the-last-jedi-kylo-ren-ahch-to-rian-johnson/

https://www.google.com/amp/uproxx.c...star-wars-the-last-jedi-ending-explained/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/uproxx.c...i-concerns-rian-johnson-script-star-wars/amp/


So to summarize:
1. Director debunks theory...a product of ambiguity

2. Director explains key scene...implying the movie didn't or that there is some audience confusion

3. Actor says she didn't like it...that was already reported before release...backing up hamill. I'm sure disney crafted retraction will be coming in some form soon (she's under contract).


At this point, it is what it is. I don't want to stay on this ride...it's clearly not shawshank or Ishtar...somewhere in the thicket in between.

Here's what I hope (and will get neither) happens:

1. Please dump the writer/director approach. It's a fail and doesn't provide the checks and balances needed to not be "stuck" if things go awry.
2. Need a stronger leader to make sure #1 is followed.


The dust hasn't settled...but this will be the least heralded $1.25 billion dollar movie to date. That's not a failure...they made a buck. Don't know if it's a strong lead in for more though...will likely affect the next 2.

As Walter Cronkite says: "that's the way it was"
 

Quinnmac000

Well-Known Member
I put this in the TLJ thread in the other forum, but I actually think that TLJ in China is in part due to the overall market volitility in China, and how it is starting to evolve - and not in the way Western media companies thought.

To be honest, that is why I think it's more than just a Star Wars problem. Reading the pundits (even at "reputable" business sites) kind of poo-pooing the significance of TLJ's performance with the "well, SW was never big in China" thing is really...odd to me. Yes, traditionally it wasn't as popular, but then you have TFA to use as a barometer. And from the accounts I have seen thus far, they pushed TLJ just as hard if not harder than they did TFA in China. So the excuse doesn't make much sense, since the drop off from TFA to TLJ is so severe, and doesn't have any of the excuses it might elsewhere (nostalgia boost for the last film, etc).

While some would say "oh, they are just kissing Disney's behind..." by trying to diminish the significance of the Chinese performance, I don't think it's really that - it's much deeper (and more self-serving). These same pundits have been the ones for several years now proclaiming that China is the future of Hollywood - that somehow they were the solution to the mess Hollywood is in (more movies lose money or break even than make money, it's just that the biggest movies make a lot of money to "make up" for it, which is why things are they way they are).

Basically, Western media assumed that China was just sitting there ready to scoff up our product, much like the rest of the world has. I think we are going to find out that was mistaken, for two reasons. One, culturally, of course - while in the Western world we think everyone in a country that has been ruled like China is just itching for the values of capitalism, democracy, etc. - that's just not always the case.

Two, they severely underestimated China's own ability to produce films. Lots of countries make their own films, but let's face it - American/Western cinema rules in almost all cases. In fact, many countries have to have specific rules and limitations on our films playing there versus domestic films because people in so many places are so hungry for our content that they artificially keep the local films afloat as best they can. In China, they have the money and infrastructure to actually compete, and obviously can cater the films directly to their intended audience.

Wanna know something funny? The film that is totally trouncing TLJ right now, the romantic comedy "The Ex-Files 3", is subtitled, "Return of the Exes". And the last one was, "The Ex-Files 2: The Backup Strikes Back". I mean...come on - if scheduling the third film to be released the week before TLJ wasn't an intentional middle finger to Hollywood, it is a striking coincidence.


The biggest surprise though this didn't just happen in China but Japan and Korea as well which are traditionally big Star Wars markets with local movies doing extremely well compared to Star Wars so now there is this issue disney is having with the #2, #4 and #6 top movie markets and their film.
 

Nubs70

Well-Known Member
The biggest surprise though this didn't just happen in China but Japan and Korea as well which are traditionally big Star Wars markets with local movies doing extremely well compared to Star Wars so now there is this issue disney is having with the #2, #4 and #6 top movie markets and their film.
Would this point to dilution of product with the "film a year" strategy?

I think this film a year strategy is a huge problem. Take the issues and missteps with TFA and TLJ, with films being delivered in such frequency. How can the faults of TFA be meaningfully understood, digested, and corrected before most of filming was underway for TLK?

This makes the whole franchise come off as a jumbled mess.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
The biggest surprise though this didn't just happen in China but Japan and Korea as well which are traditionally big Star Wars markets with local movies doing extremely well compared to Star Wars so now there is this issue disney is having with the #2, #4 and #6 top movie markets and their film.

Well, to counter that...they did better than you would expect in France, Germany, UK, and Australia...

That goes along way to getting the billion (funny how times charge...not that long ago $150 million was a smash)

That and the $220 of presales has changed what the overall narrative would have been.

Apparently the allies wanted Luke dead all along?
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Would this point to dilution of product with the "film a year" strategy?

I think this film a year strategy is a huge problem. Take the issues and missteps with TFA and TLJ, with films being delivered in such frequency. How can the faults of TFA be meaningfully understood, digested, and corrected before most of filming was underway for TLK?

This makes the whole franchise come off as a jumbled mess.

That very well could be...overextending the franchise is setting in.

They are just slaves to quarterlies (disney)...so they won't resist. They'd rather sink a franchise than nurture it.

I think the sequels shoulda stayed with the 3 year model...if they had been good, it would have had a year of want/buzz driving the merch and box office market on build up. There's not enough time for that...
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
do believe that right there was the intended point...
'when needed' is an unknown when your entire mindspace is consumed with that killer chorus.

besides, being on trails and such can be much more fulfilling if you allow yourself to be fully immersed (sound familiar?) in your surroundings; a side-effect of which is gaining keen awareness of the trees, the breeze, the bee's, and that doofus coming up on the quad.

Correct, I run and bike on trails where you can be alone for miles and encounters with the 'doofus on a quad' are all too common.

Every year people end up in the ER because of said doofuses and most of them 'never heard them coming' cuz tunes. And the doofuses always split but usually get caught.
 

bclane

Well-Known Member
I’d kind of like to see Disney follow the MCU model for non-anthology Star Wars movies going forward. So each movie would focus on a different major character group (with small team ups of course like how Hulk was in Thor’s movie). In this scenario, all movies would be set in the same basic time period but in different parts of the galaxy and all of them would all be building up to some big epic event every few years where all the major players come together and fight the bad guys. They could even toss in the odd bad guy focused movie along the way to make it interesting. I think this could sustain the movie a year model quite well going forward while also giving people something big to look forward to every few years...as long as they don’t rush things like DC did. Just an idea...
 

DisneyRoy

Well-Known Member
As far as Star Wars goes...

Just googling last jedi yielded these today:

https://www.google.com/amp/comicboo...-the-last-jedi-kylo-ren-ahch-to-rian-johnson/

https://www.google.com/amp/uproxx.c...star-wars-the-last-jedi-ending-explained/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/uproxx.c...i-concerns-rian-johnson-script-star-wars/amp/


So to summarize:
1. Director debunks theory...a product of ambiguity

2. Director explains key scene...implying the movie didn't or that there is some audience confusion

3. Actor says she didn't like it...that was already reported before release...backing up hamill. I'm sure disney crafted retraction will be coming in some form soon (she's under contract).


At this point, it is what it is. I don't want to stay on this ride...it's clearly not shawshank or Ishtar...somewhere in the thicket in between.

Here's what I hope (and will get neither) happens:

1. Please dump the writer/director approach. It's a fail and doesn't provide the checks and balances needed to not be "stuck" if things go awry.
2. Need a stronger leader to make sure #1 is followed.


The dust hasn't settled...but this will be the least heralded $1.25 billion dollar movie to date. That's not a failure...they made a buck. Don't know if it's a strong lead in for more though...will likely affect the next 2.

As Walter Cronkite says: "that's the way it was"

I actually agree with you on something for a change WRT to #2. I actually think they need a plan. It has been widely reported that Disney (and Kathleen Kennedy) are flying by the seat of their pants to planning these. Which I think is a mistake and led to the performance we see in TLJ. If they were more like the MCU with a grand plan to how these movies all tied together I think we would end up with a better product overall.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I’d kind of like to see Disney follow the MCU model for non-anthology Star Wars movies going forward. So each movie would focus on a different major character group (with small team ups of course like how Hulk was in Thor’s movie). In this scenario, all movies would be set in the same basic time period but in different parts of the galaxy and all of them would all be building up to some big epic event every few years where all the major players come together and fight the bad guys. They could even toss in the odd bad guy focused movie along the way to make it interesting. I think this could sustain the movie a year model quite well going forward while also giving people something big to look forward to every few years...as long as they don’t rush things like DC did. Just an idea...


I agree with you...

...but your statements kinda hint that you kinda think it's a mess too?...maybe a little?

Welcome to club level, Baby!
 

asianway

Well-Known Member
That very well could be...overextending the franchise is setting in.

They are just slaves to quarterlies (disney)...so they won't resist. They'd rather sink a franchise than nurture it.

I think the sequels shoulda stayed with the 3 year model...if they had been good, it would have had a year of want/buzz driving the merch and box office market on build up. There's not enough time for that...
Star Wars was an event movie. Now its an IDGAF
 

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