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TiggerDad

TiggerDad

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Quinnmac000

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TiggerDad said:
Or maybe it just has good trailers
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Coco, Get Out, and Wonder Woman all overperforming last year may indicate that films with leads of minority status/diverse casts/ are being bankable and enjoyable.

Not that all films should market towards identity but for many its nice to have someone who they identify with whether it be race, ethnicity, religion, culture, etc when they hasn't always been the norm.
 
HauntedPirate

HauntedPirate

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Quinnmac000 said:
Coco, Get Out, and Wonder Woman all overperforming last year may indicate that films with leads of minority status/diverse casts/ are being bankable and enjoyable.

Not that all films should market towards identity but for many its nice to have someone who they identify with whether it be race, ethnicity, religion, culture, etc when they hasn't always been the norm.
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Or... those movies had good stories and that's why they were successful.
 
njDizFan

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HauntedPirate said:
Or... those movies had good stories and that's why they were successful.
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There are over 50 fund me accounts seeking money to help African-American kids see Black Panther. The one in Harlem raised over 45K as of last week.

Solely judging by my own observation, I know of several immediate and extended women in my family that saw Wonder Woman and had little to no interest in a Marvel film prior to this film.

And of course word of mouth, good script etc will drive demand after the film opens.
 
Princess Leia

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Black Widow is long overdue, so if this actually finally happens, I will be pumped. I’m glad that Marvel Studios is actively looking into this, and interested in two or three leading roles for (Widow, Captain Marvel, Wasp). Unfortunately for Marvel Studios/Disney, they’ll be the last one to release a movie with the protagonist being a woman (Wasp comes second in the title ‘Ant-Man and the Wasp). Fox/X-Men is releasing ‘Dark Phoenix’ in November (pretty sure that one is still on schedule), Sony is releasing ‘Silver and Black’ next February (maybe, we’ll see). ‘Captain Marvel’ doesn’t come out until next year. Two years after ‘Wonder Woman’.

As for Black Panther, everything I have seen from those trailers looks amazing. Costume design, music, cast... all look great.
 
monykalyn

monykalyn

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njDizFan said:
Solely judging by my own observation, I know of several immediate and extended women in my family that saw Wonder Woman and had little to no interest in a Marvel film prior to this film.
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My husband and son saw WW twice in the theater (I still haven't seen it). Said it was one of the best movies they've seen. My son came home imitating lines and moves from WW-to him a good story with a great hero is just a good story with a great hero regardless of gender/race. But while they've also seen TLJ twice- I've no desire to see it again...(but they went to see it with people who've not yet seen it).
I'm a child of OT who saw A New Hope 4 or 5 times with my dad in the theater (unheard of in the 70's-going to see the same movie over and over -at least for my family. The only other movies we saw multiple times were Empire strikes back and ET). Also saw the re release of the OT in theater multiple times.
I enjoyed TFA very much (realizing it's limitations) and thought TLJ would be the bridge with a great story leading to big payoff with Ep 9. TLJ is just not good. And it does make me less enthusiastic for more SW. And it does hurt the money-fans like me won't be spending $ to see the film multiple times in a theater experience.

A good story will sell the movie. TLJ didn't have that.
 
AEfx

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Princess Leia said:
http://www.vulture.com/2018/01/aziz-ansari-accused-sexual-misconduct.html Out of all of men being accused, this one just hits too close to home? I’m a fan of his, so this hurts a bit
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You might want to go and read the original article, just so you know what he is actually being "accused" of.

Now, I can't stand the guy personally, and I have never gotten the praise of him except for a lot of virtue signaling.

That said, they had a bad date. He apparently is as awkward with women as he comes across in his "comedy". They had no professional relationship, there was no "power dynamic" at work, this little pip-squeak wasn't being physically threatening, just obnoxiously persistent, and she left. As she should have. It's something you then tell your girlfriends at breakfast the next day about and roll your eyes, not something (what was once) a major publication needs to write an expose about.

I am positive some will disagree, but the fact that this is spreading around as the "news of the day" is really the definitive shark-jumping moment here, if we haven't already gotten there. If this is what qualifies as "sexual misconduct" in our society at this point, I think it's a massive disservice to those who actually have been victimized. It's so anti-feminist, as it is infantilizing women to such a degree that if I were a woman I would be offended that I supposedly have so little agency that what occurred, even if every word is true, is enough for someone to claim they were vitcimized.
 
AEfx

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HauntedPirate said:
Or... those movies had good stories and that's why they were successful.
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Exactly.

With WW in particular, feminists/SJW's weren't entirely enthralled with it. I saw a lot of talk from those circles about how the "male gaze" was an issue with the film (in spite of the fact it was directed by a female). And not to mention the boycotts due to the "BDS" Israel connection, as Gal Godot is Israeli and speaks out for associated causes as a former member of the their military (as most all citizens are).

As someone who has always been enthralled with female heroines, I am very glad that these films are being made. It is beyond time for it. But in large part, I have become convinced that this segment of folks and the sensibility they are going after is never going to satisfy those that live and breathe all this "dismantle the patriarchy" stuff. I mean, just google and look into the hate the successful "Supergirl" TV show gets because of various aspects of the show and some of her relationships that don't conform to their ideals.

These films, TV projects, etc. are successful when they are good and appeal to a wide audience. Not because they pander to what is really a small but vocal extremist crowd. Look at "Blackish" - it is a successful show because it's funny as hell - not because it's "socially diverse".

There are many failures coming out of this, too. Look at the sad state of Marvel comics after they tried to "diversify" for the sake of it, and not the story. They lost their existing audience, and the audience they were going for didn't buy the product, either. Or the bombing of high-profile projects like "The Get Down" on Netflix.

Most of this "hype" is created by the media because one thing that SJW mentality does pay off is in advertising clicks, because the "movement" is largely made up of people who just sit and rage on the internet all day and rabidly consume and share anything they feel further validates them, no matter how nonsensical it is.
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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Cesar R M said:
So, its going to be more of an horror film than super hero hu?
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Yes. It's the new super hero paradigm: So as not to flood the market with too many 'generic' super hero movies, you make your super hero movies branch into additional genres.

Your super hero movie could also be:
  • buddy comedy: Thor Ragnarok
  • horror: New Mutants, Legion
  • psychological horror: Jessica Jones
  • heist: Ant-Man
  • detective noire: supposedly the next Batman solo flick
  • war movie: Wonder Woman; Captain America
  • coming of age: Spider-Man
  • space opera: Guardians
  • gory revenge pron: Punisher
  • downcast protector: Luke Cage; Black Lightning
  • spy thrillers: Agents of SHIELD; Winter Soldier; upcoming Black Widow
 
truecoat

truecoat

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AEfx said:
Exactly.

With WW in particular, feminists/SJW's weren't entirely enthralled with it. I saw a lot of talk from those circles about how the "male gaze" was an issue with the film (in spite of the fact it was directed by a female). And not to mention the boycotts due to the "BDS" Israel connection, as Gal Godot is Israeli and speaks out for associated causes as a former member of the their military (as most all citizens are).

As someone who has always been enthralled with female heroines, I am very glad that these films are being made. It is beyond time for it. But in large part, I have become convinced that this segment of folks and the sensibility they are going after is never going to satisfy those that live and breathe all this "dismantle the patriarchy" stuff. I mean, just google and look into the hate the successful "Supergirl" TV show gets because of various aspects of the show and some of her relationships that don't conform to their ideals.

These films, TV projects, etc. are successful when they are good and appeal to a wide audience. Not because they pander to what is really a small but vocal extremist crowd. Look at "Blackish" - it is a successful show because it's funny as hell - not because it's "socially diverse".

There are many failures coming out of this, too. Look at the sad state of Marvel comics after they tried to "diversify" for the sake of it, and not the story. They lost their existing audience, and the audience they were going for didn't buy the product, either. Or the bombing of high-profile projects like "The Get Down" on Netflix.

Most of this "hype" is created by the media because one thing that SJW mentality does pay off is in advertising clicks, because the "movement" is largely made up of people who just sit and rage on the internet all day and rabidly consume and share anything they feel further validates them, no matter how nonsensical it is.
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His Netflix show was one of the best they've had. Being able to show a real emotional relationship in two separate seasons was bar setting IMHO.
 
truecoat

truecoat

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MisterPenguin said:
Yes. It's the new super hero paradigm: So as not to flood the market with too many 'generic' super hero movies, you make your super hero movies branch into additional genres.

Your super hero movie could also be:
  • buddy comedy: Thor Ragnarok
  • horror: New Mutants, Legion
  • psychological horror: Jessica Jones
  • heist: Ant-Man
  • detective noire: supposedly the next Batman solo flick
  • war movie: Wonder Woman; Captain America
  • coming of age: Spider-Man
  • space opera: Guardians
  • gory revenge pron: Punisher
  • downcast protector: Luke Cage; Black Lightning
  • spy thrillers: Agents of SHIELD; Winter Soldier; upcoming Black Widow
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You forgot...

  • were they thinking: Fantastic Four
 

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