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Hurricane Irma

Andrew C

Andrew C

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disneygeek90 said:
A few delays and closures of outside attractions (JC, Safari and AK trails), otherwise seems to be operating as normal.
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Wondering why the safari is having a delayed opening? Something to do with getting the area cleaned up or more about getting the animals back out there...or both...?
 
LukeS7

LukeS7

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Brad Bishop said:
...but it is. We all like to think it's not, but it is. When the politicians paying you are all for global warming then you say "global warming" and keep your trap shut about the politicians who decide whether you're funded or not.

It's not much different than the chocolate industry funding some "science" to get a "healty benefits of chocolate"-report out. "Chocolate helps in the fight against heart disease!" - suddenly becomes a headline.

Science is not "pure" and is often wrong. That's the history of it. Add to it how everything is politicized these days, including science and it leads one to question their motives. I don't doubt that there are scientists fully on-board with global warming who are very vocal about it. At the same time I don't doubt that there are plenty of scientists who are not on board with global warming and are smart enough to keep their traps shut so that they can continue getting funded and feed their families.

NASA and NOAA have been politicized by global warming. They like their funding.

Note: I'm not saying pro/con on global warming, just pointing out the political realities of all of it and that's going to upset people.
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Yes, but last I checked NASA and NOAA were government agencies receiving funding from our government. Without giving my personal opinions about the current administration, those currently running our government seem to disagree with global warming. NASA and NOAA haven't 180'd and started parroting that. They've stuck with what their science has shown. They even went to lengths to ensure that climate change data wouldn't be thrown out by the current administration.

tl;dr: Not all results of studies are dictated by who funds them
 
ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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Brad Bishop said:
...but it is. We all like to think it's not, but it is. When the politicians paying you are all for global warming then you say "global warming" and keep your trap shut about the politicians who decide whether you're funded or not.

It's not much different than the chocolate industry funding some "science" to get a "healty benefits of chocolate"-report out. "Chocolate helps in the fight against heart disease!" - suddenly becomes a headline.

Science is not "pure" and is often wrong. That's the history of it. Add to it how everything is politicized these days, including science and it leads one to question their motives. I don't doubt that there are scientists fully on-board with global warming who are very vocal about it. At the same time I don't doubt that there are plenty of scientists who are not on board with global warming and are smart enough to keep their traps shut so that they can continue getting funded and feed their families.

NASA and NOAA have been politicized by global warming. They like their funding.

Note: I'm not saying pro/con on global warming, just pointing out the political realities of all of it and that's going to upset people.
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Your "understanding" of the scientific community's standing on global warming is patently false.

From a scientist.

Yes, there are isolated cases of studies whose results have been "purchased." But, we in science like to discuss the preponderance of evidence for or against something. The approximate number of individuals with a Ph.D. in climatology who doubt global warming is similar to the number of individuals with a Ph.D. in evolutionary biology who doubt evolutionary theory. And you don't find people any more educated in these fields than the scientists who have dedicated their lives to these fields.

As a scientist who has had NSF-funded grants, while NSF cares about the SUBJECT of your study and certainly has bias on what they will approve funding for, I have never experienced any pressure to manipulate data. Publication in a peer-reviewed journal helps prevent that.
 
Brad Bishop

Brad Bishop

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BoarderPhreak said:
Whoops. Someone drank the Kool-Aid. Proper science is as right as it is humanly possible to make it. See also: Scientific Method
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No. Science has often had to correct itself as time has moved forward. Theories don't always pan out. Not everything is fully understood. Einstein thought that Quantum Mechanics was a bunch of BS.

There's all sorts of examples where popular opinion in science has been wrong and has later corrected itself.
 
peter11435

peter11435

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Brad Bishop said:
...but it is. We all like to think it's not, but it is. When the politicians paying you are all for global warming then you say "global warming" and keep your trap shut about the politicians who decide whether you're funded or not.

It's not much different than the chocolate industry funding some "science" to get a "healty benefits of chocolate"-report out. "Chocolate helps in the fight against heart disease!" - suddenly becomes a headline.

Science is not "pure" and is often wrong. That's the history of it. Add to it how everything is politicized these days, including science and it leads one to question their motives. I don't doubt that there are scientists fully on-board with global warming who are very vocal about it. At the same time I don't doubt that there are plenty of scientists who are not on board with global warming and are smart enough to keep their traps shut so that they can continue getting funded and feed their families.

NASA and NOAA have been politicized by global warming. They like their funding.

Note: I'm not saying pro/con on global warming, just pointing out the political realities of all of it and that's going to upset people.
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Science can and certainly has been influenced by politics and even more so by money. But that does not make science inherently political. It is influenced by politics and money just like everything else in the world. We as a population however should never accept science as political.

As for NOAA and NASA, if their science is completely influenced by their funding why are they both still promoting climate change. That's probably a question we can't answer here without getting political.
 
Brad Bishop

Brad Bishop

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No. Science has a "conventional wisdom" about it and there have been numerous scientists who've gone against that, been laughed at, and later proven correct. Science has a "club like" mentality to it.
 
BoarderPhreak

BoarderPhreak

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Brad Bishop said:
No. Science has often had to correct itself as time has moved forward. Theories don't always pan out. Not everything is fully understood. Einstein thought that Quantum Mechanics was a bunch of BS.

There's all sorts of examples where popular opinion in science has been wrong and has later corrected itself.
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I suppose then, until the time that we're omnipotent, we'll just have to go with our most educated "guess."
 
21stamps

21stamps

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Meanwhile in SoFla.. day 3 without power. People are starting to get restless, I think they were expected something sooner this time. :(
A friend's post from this morning..at least they had a generator for a day and a half.

Dear FPL
Our house is 90 degrees inside, the kids are crying, and we are on a wild goose chase for gas for the generator . Why do all of the gated communities around us have power and Hiatus Isles is still out-- in fact why did you say it could take TWO weeks to get it back? And why are our electric wires connected to wood poles instead of tall cement structures wires or buried like our luckier neighbors? Have we offended you in some way? Is our $500 per month bill not enough to get some help around here?
 
ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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Brad Bishop said:
No. Science has a "conventional wisdom" about it and there have been numerous scientists who've gone against that, been laughed at, and later proven correct. Science has a "club like" mentality to it.
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Yes. Healthy skepticism from elders in the scientific community is a good thing. We don't make snap-decisions in science. It takes decades for new knowledge to become commonly accepted.

How long do you think data supporting climate change was ignored by the scientific field before people started to buy into it?
 
ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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disneygeek90

disneygeek90

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Andrew C said:
Wondering why the safari is having a delayed opening? Something to do with getting the area cleaned up or more about getting the animals back out there...or both...?
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I'm guessing a combination, but most likely the property. We've lost a lot of trees in the area. I'm sure they are working on getting those cleaned up and off of the trail roads.
 

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