Your take on Michael Vick playing again...

[maggiegrace1]

Ah, but again, many, many NFL stars were reportedly doing this as well. The culture followed him.



Then your problem is with the justice system, not Michael Vick.

I have a problem with the justice system also...:wave:

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Ah, but again, many, many NFL stars were reportedly doing this as well. The culture followed him.



Then your problem is with the justice system, not Michael Vick.

Subculture.:shrug:

The "greater" mainstream group of "us" WAY overpowers that.

 

[CaptainMichael]

But then, look! He became a star! He entered into a world where stuff is like this is challenged! Shouldn't his super ego ( You want to talk psych, right?:lookaroun) KNOW that something is up, if everyone else is saying something wrong? It's basic Social Psych to want to assimilate into society especially when you are viewed as doing something heinous.

But what if you still remain a part of your society and hang out with other players who do the same thing?

I've taken Sociology, Economics, etc. The world, environment, conditions, etc you are brought up in have a big hand in who you become. Someone who is raised poor will likely be poor for the rest of their lives (cycle of poverty). It's a sad reality. Someone who commits a crime is likely to do it again because they can't get a job or a second chance and see no other way. The list goes on and on.

Remember how everyone used to think it was okay for people of different races to drink out of different water fountains or go to separate schools? Why do you think this was? People were brought up to think that way. Everyone in their lives felt that way. It's a sad, sick truth that still remains in certain circles even today. Full grown adults succesful in business, education, etc still completely ignorant about something as basic as equal rights. Heck, homosexuals cant even be married but shouldn't our advanced, adult minds say otherwise (is love a bad thing?) I'd say that's pretty "heinous"

We can argue around in circles, and I have no doubt some intend to do so, but things are not black and white, cut and dry. Mike Vick didn't get away with anything. He has been punished and hopefully rehabilitated. I wish him well.

Hopefully some jail time will do Plaxico Burress some good too.

 

[SirGoofy]

Subculture.:shrug:

The "greater" mainstream group of "us" WAY overpowers that.

Ah, but the mainstream also worships these stars, which makes them believe anything they do is right.


Nice convo btw. I've enjoyed this philosophical debate.:wave:

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

But what if you still remain a part of your society and hang out with other players who do the same thing?

I've taken Sociology, Economics, etc. The world, environment, conditions, etc you are brought up in have a big hand in who you become. Someone who is raised poor will likely be poor for the rest of their lives (cycle of poverty). It's a sad reality. Someone who commits a crime is likely to do it again because they can't get a job or a second chance and see no other way. The list goes on and on.

Remember how everyone used to think it was okay for people of different races to drink out of different water fountains or go to separate schools? Why do you think this was? People were brought up to think that way. Everyone in their lives felt that way. It's a sad, sick truth that still remains in certain circles even today. Full grown adults succesful in business, education, etc still completely ignorant about something as basic as equal rights. Heck, homosexuals cant even be married but shouldn't our advanced, adult minds say otherwise (is love a bad thing?) I'd say that's pretty "heinous"

We can argue around in circles, and I have no doubt some intend to do so, but things are not black and white, cut and dry. Mike Vick didn't get away with anything. He has been punished and hopefully rehabilitated. I wish him well.

Hopefully some jail time will do Plaxico Burress some good too.

First Bolded Point: Like I said, subculture. Just because he was elite, does not separate him from us. He sees "us" thinking negatively on Animal Cruelty, how can that not edge it's way into his subconscience and tell him it's bad?
Unless he had a REAL psychological disorder that put him on that dark side of Self Esteem, he knew, deep down that something was wrong.

Ah, but the mainstream also worships these stars, which makes them believe anything they do is right.


Nice convo btw. I've enjoyed this philosophical debate.:wave:

Look above. Unless he had a real issue, mentally, with this, I see no excuse. OUR thoughts leak over to his. Like I said, Maslow and the Collective Unconscience. Freud liked that too.

And for the record...I don't have a problem with him, as much as a problem with the NFL. They should be ashamed of themselves for putting him back in. Shows me that it's ALL money and no morals.

Yep, good convo.

 

[EpcotServo]

EpcotServo: PROBLEM SOLVER

















Why are you guys talking about sports players? Watch a Movie for pete's sake, it's a million times better than watching sports. Listen to Sports by Huey Lewis and the News if you're really desperate.





















EPCOTSERVO

PROBLEM: SOLVED

You're welcome.

 

[SirGoofy]

Why are you guys talking about sports players? Watch a Movie for pete's sake, it's a million times better than watching sports. Listen to Sports by Huey Lewis and the News if you're really desperate.

Some of us enjoy sports.

 

[CaptainMichael]

Why are you guys talking about sports players? Watch a Movie for pete's sake, it's a million times better than watching sports.

Does. Not. Compute.

 

[Disneylover1302]

Some of us enjoy sports.

yeah sorry if you don't! Epcotservo

 

[Jasonflz]

But what if you still remain a part of your society and hang out with other players who do the same thing?

I've taken Sociology, Economics, etc. The world, environment, conditions, etc you are brought up in have a big hand in who you become. Someone who is raised poor will likely be poor for the rest of their lives (cycle of poverty). It's a sad reality. Someone who commits a crime is likely to do it again because they can't get a job or a second chance and see no other way. The list goes on and on.

Remember how everyone used to think it was okay for people of different races to drink out of different water fountains or go to separate schools? Why do you think this was? People were brought up to think that way. Everyone in their lives felt that way. It's a sad, sick truth that still remains in certain circles even today. Full grown adults succesful in business, education, etc still completely ignorant about something as basic as equal rights. Heck, homosexuals cant even be married but shouldn't our advanced, adult minds say otherwise (is love a bad thing?) I'd say that's pretty "heinous"

We can argue around in circles, and I have no doubt some intend to do so, but things are not black and white, cut and dry. Mike Vick didn't get away with anything. He has been punished and hopefully rehabilitated. I wish him well.

Hopefully some jail time will do Plaxico Burress some good too.

It's the same with peer pressure and beer. It's up to you to make the right choice.


:lol: Why am I even here, I hate sports.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

EpcotServo: PROBLEM SOLVER

















Why are you guys talking about sports players? Watch a Movie for pete's sake, it's a million times better than watching sports. Listen to Sports by Huey Lewis and the News if you're really desperate.





















EPCOTSERVO

PROBLEM: SOLVED

You're welcome.

Won.

 

[Zip-a-Dee Do Da]

I am a firm believer in NATURE. I refuse to expcept the excuse of one's environment for their actions. There are way too many exceptional people who have somehow or someway rose up from where they came from to do exceptional things.

There was once an article in a magazine I read. Two brothers, the sons of a terrible alchoholic father. One brother grew up to be an alchoholic, divorced, couldn't keep a job, an all around failure. The other brother a successful lawyer, nice family, house etc. When both brothers were asked why they turned out the way they did...both responded with the same answer.

"With a father like mine, What would you expect?"

Secondly, I do not value the life of another creature on this earth any less than mine. We are all a crucial part of this world. And in the words of Gandhi, "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to the protection by man from the cruelty of man."

 

[jeffk410]

I live for football. legit it is my life. And honestly people make mistakes. I can't say for sure, but I think he might of learned from his mistakes. It was how he grew up so he did not see it as such a big deal. I for one think its sickening, but whether you like to hear it or not Vick is one of the most influential and athletic players to ever play the game. He is fun watching and I am pumped he is playing again. He did the time for his crime. Give the guy another chance.

 

[macsmom]

I have read this whole thread and can see all sides of the story. My problem with the whole thing is Michael Vick is an intelligent guy and he is a grown-up and he knows that what he did was wrong, but he did it anyway. No matter where or how he grew up. He knew what he did was wrong and he did it anyway.

danna

 

[Jasonflz]

I have read this whole thread and can see all sides of the story. My problem with the whole thing is Michael Vick is an intelligent guy and he is a grown-up and he knows that what he did was wrong, but he did it anyway. No matter where or how he grew up. He knew what he did was wrong and he did it anyway.

danna

Agreed.

Also, if he knew it was so "wrong" why was he keeping it a secret.
Try and argue that.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

I am a firm believer in NATURE. I refuse to expcept the excuse of one's environment for their actions. There are way too many exceptional people who have somehow or someway rose up from where they came from to do exceptional things.

There was once an article in a magazine I read. Two brothers, the sons of a terrible alchoholic father. One brother grew up to be an alchoholic, divorced, couldn't keep a job, an all around failure. The other brother a successful lawyer, nice family, house etc. When both brothers were asked why they turned out the way they did...both responded with the same answer.

"With a father like mine, What would you expect?"

Secondly, I do not value the life of another creature on this earth any less than mine. We are all a crucial part of this world. And in the words of Gandhi, "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to the protection by man from the cruelty of man."

The thing is, it's a delicate balance, and it all depends on the sense of self and the collective unconscience....

If you ignore what the rest of the world is telling you, you have a problem.:lol:

 

[Lee]

...Vick is one of the most influential and athletic players to ever play the game.

True, but I would change the "is" to "was".
He has lost at least a step. Looks kinda awkward running now. Maybe it's just rust....we'll see.

Sorry....kinda OT.:lookaroun

 

[Disneylover1302]

I have read this whole thread and can see all sides of the story. My problem with the whole thing is Michael Vick is an intelligent guy and he is a grown-up and he knows that what he did was wrong, but he did it anyway. No matter where or how he grew up. He knew what he did was wrong and he did it anyway.

danna

i am starting to think that too because of reading all these posts

 

[Tater48]

Oh, but he's so sorry. The only thing he is sorry about is that he got caught and needs some cash. But, the NFL is full of thugs that have had numerous legal problems like this and worse, so what is one more. They will probably re-instate Rae Carruth when he gets out of prison. It was only murder, but he's learned his lesson and deserves a second chance. In my opinion, no one elses, the two are cut from the same cloth and there is no difference. They are two of a kind.


This is my little girl, so yes I am pretty passionate about this issue.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Oh, but he's so sorry. The only thing he is sorry about is that he got caught and needs some cash. But, the NFL is full of thugs that have had numerous legal problems like this and worse, so what is one more. They will probably re-instate Rae Carruth when he gets out of prison. It was only murder, but he's learned his lesson and deserves a second chance. In my opinion, no one elses, the two are cut from the same cloth and there is no difference. They are two of a kind.


This is my little girl, so yes I am pretty passionate about this issue.

Aww.