HMF
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To be fair as I have pointed out recently, The photograph montage at the end of LWTL currently features photos taken over 30 years ago.
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EPCOT Figment, well, to be replaced by Figment
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Figments Friend
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That footage featuring the ‘puppet’ Figment ….
This looks to me to be recycled footage previously shot for that long lost Disney Channel program ‘Dreamfinders’.
Audio may have been overdubbed to make it ‘fit’ better into this presentations purpose, but I would be willing to bet money this is an excerpt from that program.
The ChromaKey effect shown used for the ‘flying’ Figment puppet is the giveaway …as I doubt they would have gone to all of that post production trouble to shoot this and add the effects just for this side attraction at Epcot.
Makes much more sense to just use a short segment from the then ‘new’ tv show.
We know at least one episode was shot, perhaps more.
The set used in that short segment also matches up with similar set scenes that can be seen in that behind the scenes segment we have all likely viewed at some point ( the Disney Channel promotional bit about ‘Dreamfinders’ ).
The later segment, following the suspected tv show bit, you can see is shot differently and features a different performer…which explains the change.
I strongly suspect that earlier bit with ‘puppet’ Figment is indeed a lost clip from the proposed tv show.
Hmmm….quite an interesting couple of short segments there.
A very good find.
Thank you for sharing this!
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FigmentsBrightIdeas
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Hate to correct you here, but that actually isn’t the case. If we’re to go off a production slide I have that features a photo of that puppet Figment being filmed against the green screen, the newer Dreamfinder’s School of Drama segment was produced in ‘91, which checks out as that would’ve been when ImageWorks received the budget for some updates/additions like the Mirage activity (where the additional traditional animation of Figment, outside of the science scene, was made for), the Makin’ Faces kiosk, Figment’s Coloring Book replacing the Bubble Music activity, and the Dreamfinder’s Blimp Race activity replacing (I think) the Lumia ball or whatever that was.That footage featuring the ‘puppet’ Figment ….
This looks to me to be recycled footage previously shot for that long lost Disney Channel program ‘Dreamfinders’.
Audio may have been overdubbed to make it ‘fit’ better into this presentations purpose, but I would be willing to bet money this is an excerpt from that program.
The ChromaKey effect shown used for the ‘flying’ Figment puppet is the giveaway …as I doubt they would have gone to all of that post production trouble to shoot this and add the effects just for this side attraction at Epcot.
Makes much more sense to just use a short segment from the then ‘new’ tv show.
We know at least one episode was shot, perhaps more.
The set used in that short segment also matches up with similar set scenes that can be seen in that behind the scenes segment we have all likely viewed at some point ( the Disney Channel promotional bit about ‘Dreamfinders’ ).
The later segment, following the suspected tv show bit, you can see is shot differently and features a different performer…which explains the change.
I strongly suspect that earlier bit with ‘puppet’ Figment is indeed a lost clip from the proposed tv show.
Hmmm….quite an interesting couple of short segments there.
A very good find.
Thank you for sharing this!
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The Figment puppet for the earlier 80s Dreamfinders show was larger, cable controlled & rubber (think like the puppets used for the Film Finale scene of the ride). The one in the 90s Dreamfinders School of Drama segment there is more a classic Henson style puppet.
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Homemade Imagineering
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Hoping this pattern of damage control continues past the Cinderella repaint & CoP upgrades. Pls come thru for D23 2026 
Streetway Again
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HMF
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At this rate we will probably get 2 or 3 pieces of bad news followed by the announcement of Imagination 4, based on the recent track record.Hoping this pattern of damage control continues past the Cinderella repaint & CoP upgrades. Pls come thru for D23 2026
osian
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Let's have a Coming of Age party for the Idea!
I missed v4's concept art's Quinceañera!!
HMF
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JIIwF is now quite a few years over drinking age.
jah4955
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Was v4 formally proposed at/by Disney or are you referring to elsewhere? I'm sorry I don't know... Still miss 1.0 horribly. I still find 3.0 pandering though I realize it's technically better than 2.0.
It was to replace the current one. I had a chat with someone about it at the parks 25th anniversary.
DreamfinderGuy
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In development at Disney yeah. It's kind of an open secret that it has been worked on but never quite got far enough to be greenlit several times since 2007
Disgruntled Walt
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- In the Parks
- No
Can you share any of what you heard about it back then?
Brer Panther
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I recall hearing that the fourth version was scrapped because the budget was stolen by the Nemo overlay of the Living Seas. Then it got scrapped again because the budget was stolen by Frozen Ever After.
Moth
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I heard it's lunch got stolen by the following:
•Nemo
•Frozen
•Rat
•SSE (which didn't happen, so i guess the money went POOF!)
•Guardians
•That new show that had the ugly barge
•The thing that replaced it
•The meet and greet
•The entrance rework
•Imagination 5
And now I feel so much older. At this rate, by the time it actually happens, I'll look like my avatar.
At least we have the Figment movie rumor-mill to give us some renewed hope.
This biggest headscratcher! The money earmarked for that had to be massive. Where'd it go?
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A year of deficits for the parks due to the pandemic. Thankfully, the studios kept the company afloat.
Cmdr_Crimson
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Figments Friend
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It truly makes me ill when I am reminded that the current version of the Attraction, and the Pavillion as a whole has been in the condition it has been left in now for well over 20+ years.
Absolutely depressing.
A place that was once alive with joy and inspiration, reduced to an afterthought and more recently an empty hole for character greeting spots.
The lack of vision and will to do anything of any meaning with the concept is staggering.
How the mighty have fallen.
If only the Original ‘Journey’ had survived 1998 intact I am fairly certain we would still be enjoying it today with slight modifications and projection upgrades.
But dang you to hades, those responsible for sabotaging the ridership numbers for shallow gains.
You leveled a literal masterpiece for a stupid 4D film (HIStA) and for your own petty means.
It truly is THE greatest tragedy in Theme Park history that the Original was allowed to be destroyed.
Never to be forgiven.
Ever.
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Absolutely depressing.
A place that was once alive with joy and inspiration, reduced to an afterthought and more recently an empty hole for character greeting spots.
The lack of vision and will to do anything of any meaning with the concept is staggering.
How the mighty have fallen.
If only the Original ‘Journey’ had survived 1998 intact I am fairly certain we would still be enjoying it today with slight modifications and projection upgrades.
But dang you to hades, those responsible for sabotaging the ridership numbers for shallow gains.
You leveled a literal masterpiece for a stupid 4D film (HIStA) and for your own petty means.
It truly is THE greatest tragedy in Theme Park history that the Original was allowed to be destroyed.
Never to be forgiven.
Ever.
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