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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

DisneyWarrior27

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Not sure how true this might be, since it’s only a rumor for now, but…

 

Tony the Tigger

Well-Known Member
Anyway, we watched Falcon & Winter Soldier between yesterday and today. I think it set things up nicely with Falcon’s struggle to be Captain America. They directly addressed the black issue, with him saying, “People will hate me for (wearing) this.”

But he earned it. Curious to see how the film fills in the blanks for those who didn’t watch the series.

Since my husband is off tonight, we’re about to go check it out. Expectations are realistic, as with any superhero movie. Fun date night out either way for us.
 

Agent H

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Anyway, we watched Falcon & Winter Soldier between yesterday and today. I think it set things up nicely with Falcon’s struggle to be Captain America. They directly addressed the black issue, with him saying, “People will hate me for (wearing) this.”

But he earned it. Curious to see how the film fills in the blanks for those who didn’t watch the series.

Since my husband is off tonight, we’re about to go check it out. Expectations are realistic, as with any superhero movie. Fun date night out either way for us.
Have fun!
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
So much for respectful discussion. Lol

Gotta admit it’s been a blast cheering for Tkachuk on Team USA rather than despising him as a thorn in the Knights side.
When I did follow hockey I was a Sharks fan, so I know the pain of having to root for players you despise during the season during Worlds. Next year is going to be interesting with hockey back in the Olympics.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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Welcome to being a Disney Fan Site poster.... The more you post the more you stay engaged the more you want to respond. Its a cycle that never quits, because you get to know your fellow posters and its like a community or a dysfunctional family.
It can get heated at times but the vast majority of the time it’s just people talking, something that’s sorely missing in America today. It’s nice to have a place online we can agree, disagree, argue, etc and not have it devolve (99% of the time) into name calling and animosity just because we hold different opinions.

I love that I can be on the opposite side of argument with someone on one topic here and go into the next thread and we’re arguing the same side of the next argument.

I wish more people took the time to dialog with people they disagree with, it’s a good way of finding out we are often more alike with the other “team” than we’re different.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
It can get heated at times but the vast majority of the time it’s just people talking, something that’s sorely missing in America today. It’s nice to have a place online we can agree, disagree, argue, etc and not have it devolve (99% of the time) into name calling and animosity just because we hold different opinions.

I love that I can be on the opposite side of argument with someone on one topic here and go into the next thread and we’re arguing the same side of the next argument.

I wish more people took the time to dialog with people they disagree with, it’s a good way of finding out we are often more alike with the other “team” than we’re different.
Like I said we’re a dysfunctional family here. :)
 

LittleBuford

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Breathe. :)

I made up that plotline and pulled that example out of thin air, as I vaguely remember it being discussed in a thread here or on the Disneyland side.

The fact that you have to dig up some article to prove that somewhere on planet Earth there is a Black lady who coaches hockey proves the point.

If you have to go to Google to see if something actually exists, it's not going to read as organic to the audience.
You can’t have it both ways. On the one hand, you’re praising shows of past decades for including gay characters without fuss or fanfare “as normal and routine parts of society”. But when Inside Out 2 does the same with a Black character, you decry it as pandering and inorganic.

I’ve said it before, but the decks are always impossibly stacked in these discussions. Indeed, it’s often not a real discussion at all—just agenda-driven projection and/or trolling.
 

DKampy

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I don't know about that, as they were certainly unapologetically liberal shows created by a liberal team. But I don't think they crossed the line into "woke"
You sound just as confused as I am where that line is…As being woke use to be a positive…. But because someone was offended by black mermaids and a lesbian astronaut the term was demonize
 
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BrianLo

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This isn't a race or a competition, it's a conversation. A discussion, if you will. :)

If you think it's organic for a kids hockey coach to be a Black Lesbian, then go for it and live your own adventure. But most folks would find that character casting to be jarring and incongruous to natural storytelling.

If I may add in my two cents in a non confrontational manner. I think what you are missing here is not that it’s always “I know it when I see it”. But that the woke movement also actively looks for it when it really isn’t there. Your sticking point on Inside Out 2 I think is one of the latter.

The term you are maybe searching for is token representation. But it’s not really ‘woke’ by any sense of the definition. Either the old or the new.

The other time I think you were looking for it when it wasn’t really there was related to Ms Marvel. Which is neither really a woke character nor token in her representation. Being a minority inherently doesn’t make it either, it’s all how it’s made and framed.

Meanwhile Barbie was inarguably the most classically woke film of 2023. But you give it a pass because you actually watched it and just didn’t pre-judge it. I don’t agree with the woke movement, obviously. But even if I did I don’t like how it encourages pre-judgement. You actually have to see it to know it. Which I think swings back to the original point that a few things wouldn’t pass the muster that you love from decades ago, because people would be way too quick to judge. I cannot possibly see how Modern family would play today. Schitts creek would still Trojan horse its way in because it’s a Canadian production. Mulan and Mrs. Doubtfire would be virtually unreleasable in our current environment as first exposure concepts.

Not your interest, but the children’s X-men cartoon from the 90’s is more woke than anything the MCU has farted out. Including probably Cap 4 (segue).
 

TP2000

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So many quotes, so little time! 🧐
Also there have been a few coaches who have been wheelchair bound coaching sports teams in real life. So again your example fails here. :)

A few out of how many million since the invention of radio and indoor ice rinks?

Again, that kind of proves my point. It's exceedingly rare, thus not necessary for a tertiary, inconsequential background character. If you do that, you pull people out of the story.

If any CM did call me "friend" either I didn't notice it or it seemed natural in conversation that I didn't think twice about it. But yes I still get called Sir as a middle aged white guy by CMs.

Uh huh. I'm sure. ;)

I mean, the obvious reason is that every female associated with the sport of ice hockey is a lesbian (at least in one old man's head). Duh. :rolleyes:

No, as someone who once attended (against my will, but then happily bought the first round after the game) more than one Portland Winterhawks game in the early 1990's with a gaggle of Lesbians, I can assure you there is only a small subset of Lesbian ice hokey fans. The other 50 to 100 ladies at the games seemed to be long-suffering straight girlfriends or wives. It's the Black part makes it doubly incongruous; most ice hockey league cities have very small Black populations. And even smaller Black Lesbian populations. Thus, it's almost statistically impossible to find a Black Lesbian ice hockey coach.

See my point above about pulling the audience out of the story just to virtue signal and appear woke.

Actually, I’m glad to read this is a thing. We just thought one of our servers was weird recently because every time she came to the table, she called us friend. I think it was at Kona Café.

I'm sure you are mistaken. @Disney Irish said I was making that up earlier today. You are making that up. No CM called you "Friend" instead of "Sir" on your recent visits. You just made that up. Or something.

You can’t have it both ways. On the one hand, you’re praising shows of past decades for including gay characters without fuss or fanfare “as normal and routine parts of society”. But when Inside Out 2 does the same with a Black character, you decry it as pandering and inorganic.

If she'd been a Black softball coach, it could have passed the smell test. But a Black Lesbian ice hockey coach? That's one too many virtue signals for much of the audience to bear. Best to keep it simple, and low key. Believable. Keep it grounded.

I will never understand how being kind and inclusive to others bothers some people.

We used to call that The Golden Rule. I learned it in Sunday School around age 7, in a mainstream Lutheran church in downtown Seattle that 15 years later asked me to no longer attend services there because of my "lifestyle choices" (AKA... GAAAAY!). But then a few decades later, when the collection plates began to run dry, they changed their mind and hung a rainbow pride flag above the front doors to drum up business. Funny how that works with religion, isn't it?

Apparently, now you have to pay an HR consultant big bucks to teach that to you. But I still follow it, and I still call it The Golden Rule. It's a good one.

Woke is a completely misused word. It’s been co-opted as a synonym for (very) “liberal.”

The real meaning (slang) is to be aware of what’s going on around you. That’s all.

Be careful. I was told by a Black member of these forums that we shouldn't be even using the word as White Folx. Try and eductate yourself before you speak. Or at least, that's what I was once told without hesitation here.
 

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