DAK 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

[peter11435]

You listed them as significant WDI.
I never said nothing has come.

There is just ten years between a park expecting its next significant WDI legacy/E Ticket/Show stopper.

I listed them as major projects at WDW. Which they were. You singled them out and ignored the many other more significant and more successful projects.

You’re the one that originally stated there were near decade long gaps between major WDI projects. You’ve continually moved the goal post since.

 

[peter11435]

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Nothing Disney has built recently in Orlando compares to ToT, the original Imagination, Splash Mountain…

I don’t think I can agree with that statement.

 

[celluloid]

I listed them as major projects at WDW. Which they were. You singled them out and ignored the many other more significant and more successful projects.

You’re the one that originally stated there were near decade long gaps between major WDI projects. You’ve continually moved the goal post since.

No goal post. I hear the terms signifigant to WDI and showstopper and hear legacy don't you? Literally entertainment and artistic terms.

Toy Story Land is a rather silly example when you consider those terms.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I listed them as major projects at WDW. Which they were. You singled them out and ignored the many other more significant and more successful projects.

You’re the one that originally stated there were near decade long gaps between major WDI projects. You’ve continually moved the goal post since.

In his defense, he said “great.”

 

[JackCH]

The problem is that none of the new attractions are clear “home runs” - they all have significant downsides. I love MMRR, for instance… but it replaced another attraction I ALSO loved, so it’s a lateral move. The closest thing to a pure “win” is Avatar Land, but that land still feels underbuilt and the water ride is one third of an attraction.

Nothing Disney has built recently in Orlando compares to ToT, the original Imagination, Splash Mountain…

I think this shows the "matter of taste" element though so many seem to disagree with. Cause I would say that RotR, FoP, and heck even Tron are at least in the conversation for many. You may not agree, but I believe they are the same "caliber" of attraction.

The replacement instead of expansion point is valid though and can be frustrating. That I grant.

 

[celluloid]

I don’t think I can agree with that statement.

Well, you are also fine with Hatbox wdw placement and are bias to company.

And again, my original post said great. If you find Toy Story Land on the greatness of others mentioned...yikes. A bridge too far for most.

Nothing about Toy Storyland fits the definition of showstopper for what WDI does.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I think this shows the "matter of taste" element though so many seem to disagree with. Cause I would say that RotR, FoP, and heck even Tron are at least in the conversation for many. You may not agree, but I believe they are the same "caliber" of attraction.

The replacement instead of expansion point is valid though and can be frustrating. That I grant.

I think the idea that Tron is comparable to the three I mentioned is utter madness. RotR is certainly in the conversation, but I think that attraction has enough dubious decisions at the conceptual level that it falls short. I’d actually argue MMRR is a superior attraction, and the closest Disney World has come to some of the great older rides.

 

[peter11435]

In his defense, he said “great.”

And even then he’s objectively wrong.

 

[JackCH]

I think the idea that Tron is comparable to the three I mentioned is utter madness. RotR is certainly in the conversation, but I think that attraction has enough dubious decisions at the conceptual level that it falls short. I’d actually argue MMRR is a superior attraction, and the closest Disney World has come to some of the great older rides.

Fair enough. ToT and Splash were two of my favorite rides all time though, and RotR is now my personal favorite. I don't think you get rides like those 3 too often. Maybe a better comp for Tron is something like Space Mountain or Big Thunder.

 

[Casper Gutman]

What we seem to be talking about here less a question of investment, which has increased, but the impact of a web of detrimental management philosophies and a less consistently exceptional imagineering team. The former includes a determination to replace rather than add, a focus on a very narrow range of IPs, and a fixation on thrill rides. The latter often manifests in an inability to create scenes in depth.

 

[celluloid]

And even then he’s objectively wrong.

Iger needing to promise 17 billion and rushing announcements of the next decades and great things coming, trust us, says far otherwise.

Tower of Terror still much higher Gsats than Tron.

 

[Casper Gutman]

And even then he’s objectively wrong.

That’s not something he can be objectively wrong about.

 

[peter11435]

Well, you are also fine with Hatbox wdw placement and are bias to company.

I don’t believe I ever said that. Hatbox should have been installed in the same location he is at Disneyland. But I also understand why he wasn’t.

 

[peter11435]

That’s not something he can be objectively wrong about.

While he personally may not consider any of them great. There are objective ways to measure their success and “greatness”

 

[Casper Gutman]

Fair enough. ToT and Splash were two of my favorite rides all time though, and RotR is now my personal favorite. I don't think you get rides like those 3 too often. Maybe a better comp for Tron is something like Space Mountain or Big Thunder.

RotR is fun, but designers simply chose a bad setting for a dark ride - it’s a series of preshows followed by a ride through largely empty, aesthetically uninteresting, industrial rooms. There’s a case to be made for Tron as a slightly inferior Space, which was never one of Disney’s true masterpieces. Neither can approach Thunder.

 

[celluloid]

While he personally may not consider any of them great. There are objective ways to measure their success and “greatness”

See part of Tower of Terror getting higher Gsat scores than Tron.

 

[Architectural Guinea Pig]

Hey guys! Let’s all take five calm and deeeep breaths and move on from this conversation. Let’s bring the topic back to:

'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom​

WDI has made excellent attractions and terrible disasters in both decades, and the parks have all received improvement from these decades. There really isn’t much to fight about…

 

[peter11435]

See part of Tower of Terror getting higher Gsat scores than Tron.

As it should

When did I say Tron was one of the great ones?

 

[JackCH]

RotR is fun, but designers simply chose a bad setting for a dark ride - it’s a series of preshows followed by a ride through largely empty, aesthetically uninteresting, barren rooms. There’s a case to be made for Tron as a slightly inferior Space, which was never one of Disney’s true masterpieces. Neither can approach Thunder.

Disagree, but fair enough. I appreciate your perspective.

 

[celluloid]

As it should

When did I say Tron was one of the great ones?

You didn't specifically, but Tower is one major attractions of WDW of the greater era. Objectively.