News 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

[Casper Gutman]

I think this shows the "matter of taste" element though so many seem to disagree with. Cause I would say that RotR, FoP, and heck even Tron are at least in the conversation for many. You may not agree, but I believe they are the same "caliber" of attraction.

The replacement instead of expansion point is valid though and can be frustrating. That I grant.

I think the idea that Tron is comparable to the three I mentioned is utter madness. RotR is certainly in the conversation, but I think that attraction has enough dubious decisions at the conceptual level that it falls short. I’d actually argue MMRR is a superior attraction, and the closest Disney World has come to some of the great older rides.

 

[peter11435]

In his defense, he said “great.”

And even then he’s objectively wrong.

 

[JackCH]

I think the idea that Tron is comparable to the three I mentioned is utter madness. RotR is certainly in the conversation, but I think that attraction has enough dubious decisions at the conceptual level that it falls short. I’d actually argue MMRR is a superior attraction, and the closest Disney World has come to some of the great older rides.

Fair enough. ToT and Splash were two of my favorite rides all time though, and RotR is now my personal favorite. I don't think you get rides like those 3 too often. Maybe a better comp for Tron is something like Space Mountain or Big Thunder.

 

[Casper Gutman]

What we seem to be talking about here less a question of investment, which has increased, but the impact of a web of detrimental management philosophies and a less consistently exceptional imagineering team. The former includes a determination to replace rather than add, a focus on a very narrow range of IPs, and a fixation on thrill rides. The latter often manifests in an inability to create scenes in depth.

 

[celluloid]

And even then he’s objectively wrong.

Iger needing to promise 17 billion and rushing announcements of the next decades and great things coming, trust us, says far otherwise.

Tower of Terror still much higher Gsats than Tron.

 

[Casper Gutman]

And even then he’s objectively wrong.

That’s not something he can be objectively wrong about.

 

[peter11435]

Well, you are also fine with Hatbox wdw placement and are bias to company.

I don’t believe I ever said that. Hatbox should have been installed in the same location he is at Disneyland. But I also understand why he wasn’t.

 

[peter11435]

That’s not something he can be objectively wrong about.

While he personally may not consider any of them great. There are objective ways to measure their success and “greatness”

 

[Casper Gutman]

Fair enough. ToT and Splash were two of my favorite rides all time though, and RotR is now my personal favorite. I don't think you get rides like those 3 too often. Maybe a better comp for Tron is something like Space Mountain or Big Thunder.

RotR is fun, but designers simply chose a bad setting for a dark ride - it’s a series of preshows followed by a ride through largely empty, aesthetically uninteresting, industrial rooms. There’s a case to be made for Tron as a slightly inferior Space, which was never one of Disney’s true masterpieces. Neither can approach Thunder.

 

[celluloid]

While he personally may not consider any of them great. There are objective ways to measure their success and “greatness”

See part of Tower of Terror getting higher Gsat scores than Tron.

 

[Architectural Guinea Pig]

Hey guys! Let’s all take five calm and deeeep breaths and move on from this conversation. Let’s bring the topic back to:

'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom​

WDI has made excellent attractions and terrible disasters in both decades, and the parks have all received improvement from these decades. There really isn’t much to fight about…

 

[peter11435]

See part of Tower of Terror getting higher Gsat scores than Tron.

As it should

When did I say Tron was one of the great ones?

 

[JackCH]

RotR is fun, but designers simply chose a bad setting for a dark ride - it’s a series of preshows followed by a ride through largely empty, aesthetically uninteresting, barren rooms. There’s a case to be made for Tron as a slightly inferior Space, which was never one of Disney’s true masterpieces. Neither can approach Thunder.

Disagree, but fair enough. I appreciate your perspective.

 

[celluloid]

As it should

When did I say Tron was one of the great ones?

You didn't specifically, but Tower is one major attractions of WDW of the greater era. Objectively.

 

[JackCH]

Hey guys! Let’s all take five calm and deeeep breaths and move on from this conversation. Let’s bring the topic back to:

'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom​

WDI has made excellent attractions and terrible disasters in both decades, and the parks have all received improvement from these decades. There really isn’t much to fight about…

The real question is will Encanto be better than Primeval Whirl?

 

[celluloid]

The real question is will Encanto be better than Primeval Whirl?

Of course, when it finishes it will also be the first new ride for AK since Pandora. About a decade.

 

[Architectural Guinea Pig]

The real question is will Encanto be better than Primeval Whirl?

Nah, Primeval Whirl was clearly the showstopper of the century Encanto is obviously going to be another flop and a reflection on the awfulness of modern WDI

 

[JackCH]

Of course, when it finishes it will also be the first new ride for AK since Pandora. About a decade.

Well played… well played indeed.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Keep in mind CAPEX is also maintainance and general repairs.

Josh made it clear that the announced Capex was for new attractions (including rethemes) and not depreciation nor infrastructure (unless a new build required new infrastructure.

 

[peter11435]

You didn't specifically, but Tower is one major attractions of WDW of the greater era. Objectively.

Yes. It absolutely is! But I never said Tron was.

Once again you are singling out modern attractions from the bottom up.