DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

[monothingie]

At what point do we start to look at the Muppets as a dead franchise? They're 124th on the box office list for franchises, with a lot of terrible franchises ahead of them

Franchises (US & Canada)

www.boxofficemojo.com

Monsters Inc. is #71

Indiana Jones 4 and 5 were both terrible movies, with 5 loosing an ungodly amount of money.

But we're getting an Indy Attraction at DAK.

 

[denyuntilcaught]

Indiana Jones 4 and 5 were both terrible movies, with 5 loosing an ungodly amount of money.

But we're getting an Indy Attraction at DAK.

Good point, but I also argue that box office isn't the only metric of what makes a healthy franchise. It's an outdated way of measuring up a franchise given how fractured theatrical/streaming environment is nowadays. Does anyone have insight on the amount of merch the franchise moves?

 

[WDWFREAK53]

Kermit has to be one of the most recognized IP’s in the world. Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny - maybe some of the super heroes?

I'd put Mario up there as well.

 

[GoofGoof]

At what point do we start to look at the Muppets as a dead franchise? They're 124th on the box office list for franchises, with a lot of terrible franchises ahead of them

Franchises (US & Canada)

www.boxofficemojo.com

Monsters Inc. is #71

Where is Mickey Mouse on that list? Oops….better redo the Mickey train into a Twilight ride. Much more popular movie franchise.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Indiana Jones 4 and 5 were both terrible movies, with 5 loosing an ungodly amount of money.

But we're getting an Indy Attraction at DAK.

well...I mean... cmon... dinosaurs don't belong in a place called animal kingdom... obviously

 

[monothingie]

Good point, but I also argue that box office isn't the only metric of what makes a healthy franchise. It's an outdated way of measuring up a franchise given how fractured theatrical/streaming environment is nowadays. Does anyone have insight on the amount of merch the franchise moves?

Sadly you're only as good as your latest.

 

[monothingie]

well...I mean... cmon... dinosaurs don't belong in a place called animal kingdom... obviously

Dinosaurs? Harrison Ford? Rude!!

 

[GravityFalls]

It's about the total amount of revenue a property can potentially generate. The Box Office Mojo list of franchises doesn't quite capture that.

Lily & Stitch, for instance, doesn't show up on that list. But the characters sell tons of merchandise to this day, as of right now there are 184 results for "Stitch" on ShopDisney (more than Cars, Monsters, etc.)

The key thing is that with any property, Disney corporate has to strategize how best to support that property in order to extract the max amount of revenue possible. There's so much to consider.

Would a Stitch attraction increase merchandise sales? Maybe, maybe not. It's possible the character is already reaching its peak and a new attraction won't meaningly affect those numbers. Or is an attraction is needed to sustain these numbers? Has a lack of an attraction hurt these numbers? Stitch sells more in Japan, is that a cultural difference or because he has attractions in both Adventureland and Tomorrowland?

There's a fair amount of surveying, forecasting, guess work, creative ambition, and personal taste that goes into all of these decisions. It's not as simple as Cars is the biggest franchise without an attraction, so let's add an attraction. Or Muppets doesn't sell merch anymore, let's get rid of the theater. Those decisions might make sense (and probably do), but there are multiple factors at play.

 

[GoofGoof]

Good point, but I also argue that box office isn't the only metric of what makes a healthy franchise. It's an outdated way of measuring up a franchise given how fractured theatrical/streaming environment is nowadays. Does anyone have insight on the amount of merch the franchise moves?

According to Wikipedia Muppets are top 50 all time highest grossing media franchises. Mickey and friends are #2 behind Pokémon. This is probably a better gage of at least profitability of a franchise combining TV, box office and merchandise sales. They do include Sesame Street with the Muppets which is probably fair but for WDW those characters aren’t involved.

List of highest-grossing media franchises - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Professortango1]

At what point do we start to look at the Muppets as a dead franchise? They're 124th on the box office list for franchises, with a lot of terrible franchises ahead of them

Franchises (US & Canada)

www.boxofficemojo.com

Monsters Inc. is #71

At what point does the forum discussing the Monsters Inc land stop talking about Muppet movies and spitballing ideas for Muppet attractions around various resorts.

 

[GravityFalls]

According to Wikipedia Muppets are top 50 all time highest grossing media franchises. Mickey and friends are #2 behind Pokémon. This is probably a better gage of at least profitability of a franchise combining TV, box office and merchandise sales. They do include Sesame Street with the Muppets which is probably fair but for WDW those characters aren’t involved.

List of highest-grossing media franchises - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'd be a little weary of this list. It's a good estimate, but the sourcing is from various different years and there are various methodologies used to reach these numbers. Unfortunately we'll likely never have access to true internal numbers.

Lilo & Stitch isn't on this list. But the property has had one theatrical movie, multiple direct-to-video movies, theme park attractions, TV shows in the US, Japan, and China, and sells a ton of merchandise. It likely would be on this list, but the revenue hasn't been reported so there is nothing for Wikipedia to source.

 

[jaxonp]

At what point do we start to look at the Muppets as a dead franchise? They're 124th on the box office list for franchises, with a lot of terrible franchises ahead of them

Franchises (US & Canada)

www.boxofficemojo.com

Monsters Inc. is #71

What's Tron?

 

[Streetway]

At what point does the forum discussing the Monsters Inc land stop talking about Muppet movies and spitballing ideas for Muppet attractions around various resorts.

When the fate of muppetvision is announced

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

What's Tron?

Tron is below Winnie the Pooh which itself is below the Muppets on that list.

 

[Disstevefan1]

At what point does the forum discussing the Monsters Inc land stop talking about Muppet movies and spitballing ideas for Muppet attractions around various resorts.

Never.

This is why forums exist.

Folks are free to not read threads or posts.

I still miss the Osborne lights

 

[Professortango1]

Never.

This is why forums exist.

Folks are free to not read threads or posts.

I still miss the Osborne lights

But there are also rules in the forums about staying on topic for the most part.

 

[GoofGoof]

When the fate of muppetvision is announced

Only if they pick Animation Courtyard instead of Muppets Courtyard. If they remove Muppets the debate may get more heated….see Cars to MK thread.

But there are also rules in the forums about staying on topic for the most part.

I see no issue with discussing MI replacing Muppets on the MI land thread since that is one of the 2 possible options, but I’m not a moderator so if you think it’s in violation of the forum rules report the posts and a moderator will clean it up.

 

[RosR9]

Idk if this has been said but I have a theory there’s going to be a portion on the coaster where you “go through” a door and you’re in the snow with the abominable snowman and then you go through another day back to the factory

 

[GoofGoof]

Idk if this has been said but I have a theory there’s going to be a portion on the coaster where you “go through” a door and you’re in the snow with the abominable snowman and then you go through another day back to the factory

Will we see the actual abominable snowman or just a strobe light?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

But there are also rules in the forums about staying on topic for the most part.

Are you going to report every post that mentions the muppets? Haha