The Leader of the Club
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I mean…
Muppets have theatrical movies more recently than Monsters Inc, Tron, and Ratatouille.
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Muppets have theatrical movies more recently than Monsters Inc, Tron, and Ratatouille.
TrainsOfDisney
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Sure they did - have you never been on the peoplemover?
Chip Chipperson
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I loved the series on ABC. It was worth making for the Animal/Dave Grohl drum-off scene alone. I also liked Muppets Now and Muppets Haunted Mansion. Muppets Mayhem was okay but underwhelming to me - it still would have been worth giving it a 2nd season to see if it got better, though.
At what point do we start to look at the Muppets as a dead franchise? They're 124th on the box office list for franchises, with a lot of terrible franchises ahead of them
www.boxofficemojo.com
Monsters Inc. is #71
Franchises (US & Canada)
www.boxofficemojo.com
Monsters Inc. is #71
Fido Chuckwagon
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No, it was specific to TSI. MK can be absolutely packed 10/10 crowd levels and wall to wall people, but if it's 90+ degrees out than TSI is going to be a ghost town.
phillip9698
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Not sure Disney would want to pay to feature Bluey when they dont own the property. I thought it was strange they didnt have a PJ Mask meet and greet over in that kiddie area as they property was white hot years ago. I was told that because Disney didnt own the property, only licensed it, they wouldnt do it.
But back to the point at hand. IMO Disney would come out better if they aimed the demo of the Muppets down to kids. The ship has sailed on targeting adults. In the age of streaming, few adults are going to choose to watch the Muppets when they have every piece of media available to them at their fingertips. Aim it back at kids, then kids would clamor to visit their attraction(s) and ask for merch. Most of their characters can easily transition to that level of humor. Hell, me and my sister religiously watched Muppet Babies as kids (it doesnt necessarily have to go back to babies though).
Gusey
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But you can't base The Muppets' success on just Box Office because it started as a TV show, that had feature films. Similarly, The Simpsons aren't on that list, but still an active franchise. If you want to base The Muppets success as a franchise on anything, it would probably be on just how many movies (8), TV Movies (3) TV shows (14) and TV Specials (26) they've hadAt what point do we start to look at the Muppets as a dead franchise? They're 124th on the box office list for franchises, with a lot of terrible franchises ahead of them
Franchises (US & Canada)
Monsters Inc. is #71
doctornick
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Or the train/Splash
TrainsOfDisney
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Kermit has to be one of the most recognized IP’s in the world. Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny - maybe some of the super heroes?
Indiana Jones 4 and 5 were both terrible movies, with 5 loosing an ungodly amount of money.At what point do we start to look at the Muppets as a dead franchise? They're 124th on the box office list for franchises, with a lot of terrible franchises ahead of them
Franchises (US & Canada)
Monsters Inc. is #71
But we're getting an Indy Attraction at DAK.
denyuntilcaught
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Good point, but I also argue that box office isn't the only metric of what makes a healthy franchise. It's an outdated way of measuring up a franchise given how fractured theatrical/streaming environment is nowadays. Does anyone have insight on the amount of merch the franchise moves?
WDWFREAK53
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I'd put Mario up there as well.
GoofGoof
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Where is Mickey Mouse on that list? Oops….better redo the Mickey train into a Twilight ride. Much more popular movie franchise.At what point do we start to look at the Muppets as a dead franchise? They're 124th on the box office list for franchises, with a lot of terrible franchises ahead of them
Franchises (US & Canada)
Monsters Inc. is #71
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
well...I mean... cmon... dinosaurs don't belong in a place called animal kingdom... obviously
Sadly you're only as good as your latest.
Dinosaurs? Harrison Ford? Rude!!well...I mean... cmon... dinosaurs don't belong in a place called animal kingdom... obviously
GravityFalls
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It's about the total amount of revenue a property can potentially generate. The Box Office Mojo list of franchises doesn't quite capture that.
Lily & Stitch, for instance, doesn't show up on that list. But the characters sell tons of merchandise to this day, as of right now there are 184 results for "Stitch" on ShopDisney (more than Cars, Monsters, etc.)
The key thing is that with any property, Disney corporate has to strategize how best to support that property in order to extract the max amount of revenue possible. There's so much to consider.
Would a Stitch attraction increase merchandise sales? Maybe, maybe not. It's possible the character is already reaching its peak and a new attraction won't meaningly affect those numbers. Or is an attraction is needed to sustain these numbers? Has a lack of an attraction hurt these numbers? Stitch sells more in Japan, is that a cultural difference or because he has attractions in both Adventureland and Tomorrowland?
There's a fair amount of surveying, forecasting, guess work, creative ambition, and personal taste that goes into all of these decisions. It's not as simple as Cars is the biggest franchise without an attraction, so let's add an attraction. Or Muppets doesn't sell merch anymore, let's get rid of the theater. Those decisions might make sense (and probably do), but there are multiple factors at play.
Lily & Stitch, for instance, doesn't show up on that list. But the characters sell tons of merchandise to this day, as of right now there are 184 results for "Stitch" on ShopDisney (more than Cars, Monsters, etc.)
The key thing is that with any property, Disney corporate has to strategize how best to support that property in order to extract the max amount of revenue possible. There's so much to consider.
Would a Stitch attraction increase merchandise sales? Maybe, maybe not. It's possible the character is already reaching its peak and a new attraction won't meaningly affect those numbers. Or is an attraction is needed to sustain these numbers? Has a lack of an attraction hurt these numbers? Stitch sells more in Japan, is that a cultural difference or because he has attractions in both Adventureland and Tomorrowland?
There's a fair amount of surveying, forecasting, guess work, creative ambition, and personal taste that goes into all of these decisions. It's not as simple as Cars is the biggest franchise without an attraction, so let's add an attraction. Or Muppets doesn't sell merch anymore, let's get rid of the theater. Those decisions might make sense (and probably do), but there are multiple factors at play.
GoofGoof
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According to Wikipedia Muppets are top 50 all time highest grossing media franchises. Mickey and friends are #2 behind Pokémon. This is probably a better gage of at least profitability of a franchise combining TV, box office and merchandise sales. They do include Sesame Street with the Muppets which is probably fair but for WDW those characters aren’t involved.
List of highest-grossing media franchises - Wikipedia
Professortango1
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At what point does the forum discussing the Monsters Inc land stop talking about Muppet movies and spitballing ideas for Muppet attractions around various resorts.At what point do we start to look at the Muppets as a dead franchise? They're 124th on the box office list for franchises, with a lot of terrible franchises ahead of them
Franchises (US & Canada)
Monsters Inc. is #71
GravityFalls
Active Member
I'd be a little weary of this list. It's a good estimate, but the sourcing is from various different years and there are various methodologies used to reach these numbers. Unfortunately we'll likely never have access to true internal numbers.According to Wikipedia Muppets are top 50 all time highest grossing media franchises. Mickey and friends are #2 behind Pokémon. This is probably a better gage of at least profitability of a franchise combining TV, box office and merchandise sales. They do include Sesame Street with the Muppets which is probably fair but for WDW those characters aren’t involved.
List of highest-grossing media franchises - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Lilo & Stitch isn't on this list. But the property has had one theatrical movie, multiple direct-to-video movies, theme park attractions, TV shows in the US, Japan, and China, and sells a ton of merchandise. It likely would be on this list, but the revenue hasn't been reported so there is nothing for Wikipedia to source.