News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

Animaniac93-98

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I see this come up in other threads as speculation, but I don't see Liberty Square going away anytime soon.

While I'm sure there are some within Disney who view it as problematic, at this point the 1790s theme is mostly just set dressing for restaurants. The land only has two gift shops left, and they're basically the Halloween and Christmas stores. Haunted Mansion is one of the park's most popular rides, the Riverboat isn't really integral to the theme and while Hall of Presidents is an obvious target, I really don't see Disney wanting to start the kind of backlash they'd get for closing it or The American Adventure.

It being sandwiched between three other lands means it's also difficult to expand, and what would really be gained by spending the money to redecorate? Disney went to a lot of trouble to put The Liberty Tree where it is now, they're not going to try and move it again.
 

Phicinfan

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Question, just to clear up some things. The proposed Moana ride in Adventure land - is that targeted for the expansion pad near Pirates? So this will finally kill the Fire Mountain rumors of possibly going there?
 

monothingie

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While I'm sure there are some within Disney who view it as problematic, at this point the 1790s theme is mostly just set dressing for restaurants. The land only has two gift shops left, and they're basically the Halloween and Christmas stores. Haunted Mansion is one of the park's most popular rides, the Riverboat isn't really integral to the theme and while Hall of Presidents is an obvious target, I really don't see Disney wanting to start the kind of backlash they'd get for closing it or The American Adventure.

Yup total minefield. Disney can't do anything there without being screwed over. Wall it off and build a DVC lounge so that everyone will be united in hating it.
 

UNCgolf

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This thinking boggles my mind. If you have valuable and popular IP, why would you think you need to concentrate it in only one park/area? Why would you not say, we have 2 great ideas for rides, lets expand our offering at more than 1 park, so there is a positive gain and hopefully driving more traffic to both parks? If you have great IP, why wouldn't you want to spread it to more than one park, so that if you have families who are true fans of that IP, they now make it a priority to go to both parks on their next trip, or at least pay for park hoppers, as opposed to saying, well they just put the new things we love to see in one park, we can skip another park this year and just go see the stuff.

I think you missed his point.

It wasn't that they shouldn't ever put the same IP in multiple parks (although that is a bit silly, considering how much IP they have and how much of it is unused) -- it's that it doesn't make much sense to build two attractions based on the exact same conceit from the same IP at the same time.

Imagine they built Flight of Passage at Pandora while also building a banshee spinner at DHS at roughly the same time. It would make a lot more sense to use a different IP for the spinner.
 

Disgruntled Walt

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In the Parks
No
Imagine if they built a Nemo ride at Epcot at the same time as they were making a Nemo show at DAK. Imagine they write new songs for the show and include one in the ride. And then imagine the only complaint is, “I wish the ride was an E-ticket.”
I still think it's weird to build two Coco-towns at the same time in two different parks. Imagine the D23 pitch: "Enter new lands in Animal Kingdom and Magic Kingdom, both themed to Coco, both opening in 2029!" It's just a little too much Coco in my opinion.
 

The Leader of the Club

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I still think it's weird to build two Coco-towns at the same time in two different parks. Imagine the D23 pitch: "Enter new lands in Animal Kingdom and Magic Kingdom, both themed to Coco, both opening in 2029!" It's just a little too much Coco in my opinion.
What if MK’s Coco Land is the Land of the Dead while DAK’s Coco area is the land of the living?
 

Disgruntled Walt

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In the Parks
No
They wouldn’t announce it like that.
I know they wouldn't announce it like that, but that would be the reality of what they're doing. It just seems like a whole lot of investment in an IP that will be over 12 years old by the time it opens (realistically). Is the Coco-love that strong in the GP?
 

ToTBellHop

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I know they wouldn't announce it like that, but that would be the reality of what they're doing. It just seems like a whole lot of investment in an IP that will be over 12 years old by the time it opens (realistically). Is the Coco-love that strong in the GP?
Apparently.

The carousel fits.

And at MK, a Mexico-themed Frontierland is safer than a cowboys and Indians land. Plus, I’d love good Mexican food in the park…
 

Dranth

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I don't understand, both expansion stories include Encanto. I really must be the only one that thinks that movie sucked and in no way deserves it's own land. Maybe a puppet show or Encanto themed snack stand but not a whole land. Coco is not only a 10xs better movie but is more thematically sound for that area.
No, there are plenty of other people with poor taste who didn't like it however, I believe currently Encanto is only going to AK. The makeup of the MK expansion seems to still be fluid but as of now, Coco is the one that may still be in both AK and MK.
 

JMcMahonEsq

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I think you missed his point.

It wasn't that they shouldn't ever put the same IP in multiple parks (although that is a bit silly, considering how much IP they have and how much of it is unused) -- it's that it doesn't make much sense to build two attractions based on the exact same conceit from the same IP at the same time.

Imagine they built Flight of Passage at Pandora while also building a banshee spinner at DHS at roughly the same time. It would make a lot more sense to use a different IP for the spinner.
See I don't see any problem there. Both rides are different, both are from a popular IP source, and I would argue both fit well for IP/Ride. It's not like your just taking avatar IP and forcing it into a spinner ride. The idea your in/on a banshee and its spinning, fast quick movements, seems to work. If the ride works in isolation, with the IP, i don't see any concern about the same IP being used in another park. IF they built 2 different spinners, both using avatar IP, then maybe i see an issue.
 

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