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News Tiana's Bayou Adventure - latest details and construction progress
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MerlinTheGoat
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That art isn't new, I saw it in the background of a public presentation within the past few months. I can't find it right now though. We've also seen more than enough of that hideous exterior, they need to show more of the interior already.
The place is a mess. You won't see the interior for a bit.
MerlinTheGoat
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I'm not referring to construction images. I meant additional art, renders and animatronics. They showed off a CGI ridethrough of 7DMT nearly three years prior to its opening. Tokyo's Beauty and the Beast ride also had a ton of details revealed two years prior to opening as well, including clips of its CG layout and multiple animatronic figures and props. Tiana has one of these CG ridethroughs as well (albeit the figures would likely be 2D stand ins for what will eventually be AA's), and a substantial number of the animatronic figures are already built and ready to be installed (several since last year). Set pieces too.
They have yet to show anything like this for Tiana, despite the fact that the ride will be open later next year. Continuing to show the same shot of the exterior with slightly different artistic variations over and over and over and over again isn't doing this attraction any favors. It's fueling the hatred against it. Most people detest what they're doing to the exterior. Even the people who are otherwise hopeful about the rest of the attraction. The last time there was any somewhat positive interest whatsoever about the ride was when they showed off the concept art of the animatronic critter band late last year. And it was a very Splash-like show scene.
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JD80
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In the grand scheme of things no one cares. The "fueling the hatred against it" stuff is only an extreme minority of terminally online people that it will have no impact on the rides popularity once it opens.
MerlinTheGoat
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It's not just the terminally online that are skeptical about this retheme, the negative backlash to this attraction is a primary motivator for why they upped the budget so heavily and went with a more ambitious concept than the "dark empty video screen corridor" plan they wanted to do. The initial announcement for this ride did not give them the sort of unanimous positive feedback that they expected, even from IRL people. Quite the opposite.
Speaking anecdotally, there's a super progressive community I frequent and someone made a thread about this project. And by super progressive, I mean strictly so. Even centrism isn't respected or tolerated by the moderators. Yet even there, this project had a surprisingly mediocre to negative reaction from the comments.
It's the people who wanted the ride to change who are actually in the extreme minority. It'll still get long lines in the first couple years of its operation regardless of what they do to it. Every new ride does, and it's still a lengthy and thrilling log flume, so that's a given. But that newness will pass, and we'll see how well it holds up to scrutiny once the dust settles and emotions on either side calm down to make way for objective reasoning.
Eric Graham
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Those are really wonderful pictures of Tiana's Palace they posted on AllEars. Makes me want to travel to Disneyland:
allears.net
PHOTOS: Go INSIDE Disney’s NEW Tiana’s Palace Restaurant
Come with us to get a full look inside Tiana's Palace Restaurant in Disneyland!
allears.net
Bocabear
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It's more like Tiana's Food CoOp employees cafeteria than actually the Tiana's palace from the movie... I give it a big "meh" ... I like that there is a restaurant featuring the food, but naming it after the big dream restaurant in the movie feels off.... Tiana's Place...Tiana's Cafe... Tiana's Foods Employee Cafeteria might have been better choices, and save the "Tiana's Palace" name for when they pull out the stops and do it right.
Eric Graham
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Did you look at the pictures...they don't look like Tiana's Empoyee Cafeteria...Looks pretty nice to me.
Bocabear
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Well when you pick up a tray and slide it along the rails to get food, I would call that a cafeteria....cuz that is pretty much what it is. When you name it "Tiana's Palace" and it does not resemble the "Tiana's Palace" from the namesake film and instead has Cafeteria service, I think the criticism is valid. I did not say it looks terrible...
Disstevefan1
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I like this counter service method. Slide along and pick what you want and total it up at register. Universal Orlando did this in some places, I hope they still do.
𝕴𝖒𝖆𝖌𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖊𝖗97
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- In the Parks
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But for the only representation of Tiana's Palace to be a converted counter-service restaurant seems wrong. Watching the film makes me want to go to that place. If Tiana were a real person (which is what we're pretending in this theme park), I feel like this isn't what she would be going for (unless the experience of opening a restaurant that didn't fulfill her dream is what convinced her to go into the food supply business).
I know they don't really have the space, so I guess it's better than nothing. But WDW does have the space, and it's almost certain we're just going to get a Pecos Bill conversion.
I know they don't really have the space, so I guess it's better than nothing. But WDW does have the space, and it's almost certain we're just going to get a Pecos Bill conversion.
Incomudro
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I'm reminded of how Pizza Planet in Hollywood Studios didn't look remotely like it's namesake in Toy Story.
Imagine if it did?
If it had the robot guards at the doorway as you entered?
The claw machine etc.?
This ride has nothing on that level of hype to brag about for their budget, and they won't overpromise on this retheme anymore.
This was the cheap investment to change all around. It stays that way even in promotion as much as possible at this point.
Look to November and January for anything else you are describing.
A modern problem with theme parks, particularly Disney. Associative theming in some theme design books.
Sometimes, it is themed to the property the same way The Cheesecake Factory is themed to cheesecake. After so long of not creating or budgeting creation of original depth and storytelling, we more often lose the effort to have something have any depth, even when the property name is on it.
This should give everyone an idea of how fleshed out Tiana's Bayou Adventure will be compared ot what it should be.
WorldExplorer
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I don't remember if this was the film commentary or somewhere else, but Lasseter said the goal with Pizza Planet was "make a place so awesome they would HAVE to build it!".
It didn't quite work out how he wanted.
It would have been a great option to revamp top floor for Disney Quest.
Sometimes a parody is just a parody I suppose. But it was so cheap to call that small space in DHS Pizza Planet.
And the fact that Toy Story Land is based partly off a Pizza Planet playset...yet it still did not happen, is wild.
WorldExplorer
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Especially since A. Toy Story Land desperately needs the AC, and B. Hollywood Studios would benefit from another indoor quick service that stays open to park close.
Instead it was cheaper to create a restaurant where the guests are the entertainment by playing freeze and they can repeat the same tired artwork we see on the walls of Toy Story Mania in all its queue configurations.
They should have went with a situation like Little Mermaid's pavilion at Tokyo Disney Sea. Loved that place. Indoor playground for the kids to explore and play on for the arcade section. Like being in an arcade playset, with games and playgrounds, and a restaurant and meet and greet space all indoors, safe from the elements and operating in said elements.
MerlinTheGoat
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The $40 million budget initially claimed by WDW Pro (I heard even less than that) isn't remotely accurate anymore. As seen in a permit filed a few months ago, that exact amount of money has been allotted for just demolition work alone.
Frozen at Epcot by comparison cost around $70 million. Tiana is a lot more ambitious than that. Doing a comparable from-scratch build would obviously be a lot more expensive (and we're certainly not dealing with some obscene amount like Cosmic Rewind's $500 mil). I also don't know exact amount they settled on. But it's said to be a VERY pricey attraction for retheme standards (that keep the original ride system and track layout intact).
They aren't treating this like a cheap overlay, they're actually aiming to create something impressive and in the style of a classic E Ticket. It's still going to have a lot of AA's, a solid handful of which are state of the art. I expect it'll have more than anything they've built since Sinbad (or since Splash itself stateside). I also expect the scenery to be rather lush and detailed. The issue is that it will be unavoidably compared to what came before, which is entirely reasonable when you're replacing a beloved classic.
I still don't think this will be able to match Splash (despite that reportedly being something that people working on this ride genuinely want to do). And that's really the crux of the situation. But I do think it'll turn out much better than most if not all of the other rethemes/guts they've done. Just based on the scarce amount of details and art we have so far, it looks like a caliber far above what they normally do. This to me looks far and away better than Mickey for instance (which I don't enjoy and don't get the praise for at all, especially compared to GMR but even on its own merits). I've seen people say this is going down as one of, if not THE worst things they've ever done. Like Journey into Imagination v2/3. And based on what they've shown so far of the interior, assuming it turns out remotely similar to the art, I strongly believe this won't be remotely accurate.