EPCOT Journey of Water featuring Moana coming to Epcot

TheMaxRebo

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looks pretty cool with the mist

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J4546

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looks good, i look forward to JoW, communicore plaza and the central core opening up soon.

I live in CA with my gf and every other year we go to FL for a couple days of Disney/Universal Parks, usually 3-4 days split among the parks. Ill def put Epcot in next years trip because I love the park so much even though we went last year. Last year we did Epcot, Universal Studios, Universal Islands of Adventure and Volcano Bay. It was a mostly universal trip because we have never been to any of them and we very much loved IOA and VOlcano Bay...Studios was meh imo. Right now its looking like we will do Epcot, MK (because tron is new for both of us and maybe Tianas will be open by then and IoA...not sure what 4th park will be yet. aybe Volcano Bay again becausw it really is a fantastic all day park
 

Horizonsfan

Well-Known Member
The mist adds something special to the attraction entry. Pleasantly surprised.

These new jumping fountains still seem like the first puzzle piece in an overhaul of the imagination pavilion. Since the first concept art with them, I’ve been unable to shake the feeling the OG fountains are on borrowed time along with the magic eye theater.
 

Epcot82Guy

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I'm beginning to wonder if half of this is to make people forget what was there. So it seems more impressive than it would with a direct comparison.

And, I'll be very interested to see how long the interactive elements in JoW hold up over time. Based on Pandora, various interactive queues, etc., I have my concerns.
 

James Alucobond

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I'm beginning to wonder if half of this is to make people forget what was there. So it seems more impressive than it would with a direct comparison.
I imagine the typical guest is of the sort that visits once every 3-5 years. They will have experienced a walled-off Future World core once or maybe twice. The direct comparison to the end-of-life hub will be favorable regardless.
 

Sir_Cliff

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I'm beginning to wonder if half of this is to make people forget what was there. So it seems more impressive than it would with a direct comparison.
I get the critiques of this project and particularly demolishing one half of the Communicore buildings, but I don't think they are particularly nervous about people missing the building that JoW replaced.
 

Epcot82Guy

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For clarity, I wasn't being serious. They are focused on the Disney lifers and people visiting once every few years, as @James Alucobond noted. Most public won't notice if they do open it this year, since they will have only been once with walls before.

There may be some of this for internal purposes, and it's definitely an issue for a lot of long-time fans and locals. But, current management doesn't really care.

I do wonder if people will find it to be all that different/better when it reopens. But that's a separate conversation.
 

Sir_Cliff

Well-Known Member
For clarity, I wasn't being serious. They are focused on the Disney lifers and people visiting once every few years, as @James Alucobond noted. Most public won't notice if they do open it this year, since they will have only been once with walls before.

There may be some of this for internal purposes, and it's definitely an issue for a lot of long-time fans and locals. But, current management doesn't really care.

I do wonder if people will find it to be all that different/better when it reopens. But that's a separate conversation.
They let the park become so stale with ugly-1990s aesthetics and big dead spaces that I think most will find the new spaces more aesthetically appealing than what was there before.

Whether all of this moves the needle for the park is another issue. Honestly, this is reading more as another bandaid solution that cost way too much and took far too long than as a serious rethinking of the park. There's little new of substance after all this work and plenty of the old stale attractions like Nemo and the whole Imagination pavilion still wheezing away in the background.
 
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Epcot82Guy

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They let the park become so stale with ugly-1990s aesthetics and big dead spaces that I think most will find the new spaces more aesthetically appealing than what was there before.

Whether all of this moves the needle for the park is another issue. Honestly, this is reading as another bandaid solution that cost way too much and took far too long than as a serious rethinking of the park. There's little new of substance after all this work and plenty of the old stale attractions like Nemo and the whole Imagination pavilion still wheezing away in the background.

Agreed. It will have some impact and some fans. But comparing what they did to what they could have done (both physically and story-wise), it's tough to argue this as an objective success. And it will do little to fix the issues in 5 years, let alone 10 - if I'm betting on how things look at the park at those times.
 

Bocabear

Well-Known Member
They let the park become so stale with ugly-1990s aesthetics and big dead spaces that I think most will find the new spaces more aesthetically appealing than what was there before.

Whether all of this moves the needle for the park is another issue. Honestly, this is reading as another bandaid solution that cost way too much and took far too long than as a serious rethinking of the park. There's little new of substance after all this work and plenty of the old stale attractions like Nemo and the whole Imagination pavilion still wheezing away in the background.
This exactly. EPCOT was always my favorite park for so many reasons... I understand and agree that the changes in the 90s went way past their expiration point and by 2000' they should have begun a serious reimagination of the front half of the park without tearing down buildings... At that point I believe it could have happened... Expanded greenspaces, re-landscaping the front to more closely resemble Futureworld's 1982 look when there was water and green everywhere... If they had effectively added attractions to the communicore buildings after the original attractions closed....instead of innoventions, there would never have been a reason to raze that portion of the central core...Wonders Of Life could have grown and changed rather than left to languish like so many of the other attractions. How they got to the point where they would only upgrade or enhance an attraction if a new sponsor came in seems crazy.
EPCOT always set themselves apart with aspirational and inspirational messages about what the world could be, who WE could be as a part of that world... now it has devolved into cartoon marketing trailers with fireworks on tacos in the lagoon...
I guess that is what people want...though part of me holds onto the hope that there are still people out there that get what it was and maybe some of them will help steer this park into the future...to bring back the wonder and awesomeness that was EPCOT
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Does something like this need an almost month-long cast member preview? It's water. Turn on the hose, let it journey.
Previously, CM, DVCers, APers were complaining that there weren't enough perks. Now, it seems it's policy for WDW to give them all plenty of time for first dibs on new attractions.

It also helps OPs smooth out kinks with the type of guests who 'get it.'
 

Bocabear

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preview and invited guest runs are crucial... making sure it's absolutely right and knowing how to judge crowd reaction and experience time is everything....so yeah it is important...I think anyway...nothing worse than having to handle crowds when it is not yet known how the majority of people will react....where the stopping points are, how to keep people moving etc....
 

solidyne

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looks pretty cool with the mist

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The mist adds something special to the attraction entry. Pleasantly surprised.
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[...] And, I'll be very interested to see how long the interactive elements in JoW hold up over time. Based on Pandora, various interactive queues, etc., I have my concerns.
The misting looks really good! Now please, please, PLEASE don’t turn it off and disconnect the effect within a year.
Yeah, I give the mist six months.
 

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