News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

[BlakeW39]

You know, Magic Kingdom does have themes. It's not just, "theme park plus Disney."

Frontierland is integral to those themes. If Frontierland is problematic, then so are Mainstreet U.S.A. and Liberty Square. Hell, WDW is built on land taken from natives by white men like Walt— perhaps the whole joint is now offensive.

Moreover, Latin America is a region, not an idea. It doesn't have any underlying themes like the western frontier, Tommorrowland, Fantasyland, and so on. So I maintain that creatively Latinxland is NOT an interesting idea for the Magic Kingdom.

Cowboys and Indians, offensive 100%. The wild west as a concept? What the @#$% ??

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

You know, Magic Kingdom does have themes. It's not just, "theme park plus Disney."

Frontierland is integral to those themes. If Frontierland is problematic, then so are Mainstreet U.S.A. and Liberty Square. Hell, WDW is built on land taken from natives by white men like Walt— perhaps the whole joint is now offensive.

Moreover, Latin America is a region. It doesn't have any underlying themes like the western frontier, Tommorrowland, Fantasyland, and so on. So I maintain that creatively Latinxland is NOT an interesting idea for the Magic Kingdom.

Cowboys and Indians, offensive 100%. The wild west as a concept? What the @#$% ??

This post isn't doing what you think it's doing.

They haven't announced anything yet - one dubious rumor has people jumping quickly to the conclusion that Frontierland is done for.

It might be worth hanging in for a little bit and letting the truth of the matter come into focus. People are getting upset over nothing.

 

[BlakeW39]

This post isn't doing what you think it's doing.

They haven't announced anything yet - one dubious rumor has people jumping quickly to the conclusion that Frontierland is done for.

It might be worth hanging in for a little bit and letting the truth of the matter come into focus. People are getting upset over nothing.

And what pray tell do I think this post is doing?

This is a discussion board, I'm just voicing my opinions. I'm fully aware that this may in all likelihood never come to fruition

 

[scottieRoss]

It would be idiotic to retheme all of Frontierland (except BTMRR) to New Orleans and then spend a bunch of money building a new Frontierland in a different spot. Not to mention the operational impact of putting a bunch of Frontierland behind walls.

You want to build a New Orleans area for PatF? Sure… build it at the train station and going north from there. Put in Tiana’s restaurant and and whatever else you desire. But be efficient and sensible with spending money, don’t blow a wade of resources just to retheme and not add any capacity.

Except, there is limited buildable land North of the train station. It is the train maint. for Big Thunder and the canal.

 

[castlecake2.0]

I think my biggest concern with this idea of getting rid of Fronteirland is the placement of Big Thunder. You would have to pass TBA and the new "New Orleans Square" with no thematic transition to this new "Dessert Land"

Not going to be worse than teacups being ten feet away from Tomorrowland Speedway and cosmic rays

 

[MagicHappens1971]

Not going to be worse than teacups being ten feet away from Tomorrowland Speedway and cosmic rays

I do hate that as well.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The castle wasn't 'rose gold' which is a metallic finish. It was salmon with added filigree add-ons.

And what does "almost certainly happening" or "almost confirmed" mean?

1. It’s also called “2 day old vomit” at Sherman Williams

2. It’s means absolute

 

[Rich Brownn]

I do hate that as well.

No worse than what Walt allowed - a monorail zipping by Alice In Wonderland, for example.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

No worse than what Walt allowed - a monorail zipping by Alice In Wonderland, for example.

You do realize they had limited space and very limited money, right?

 

[MagicHappens1971]

No worse than what Walt allowed - a monorail zipping by Alice In Wonderland, for example.

Echoing @Sirwalterraleigh, they had limited space & money comment, it doesn’t change my opinion. The thematic transition from Tomorrowland to Fantasyland is appalling

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Echoing @Sirwalterraleigh, they had limited space & money comment, it doesn’t change my opinion. The thematic transition from Tomorrowland to Fantasyland is appalling

I never understood that…they kinda just “gave up”…
Some type of wall/rockwork would have made more sense
But to be fair…the 20K lagoon may have limited their options

 

[Midwest Elitist]

I never understood that…they kinda just “gave up”…
Some type of wall/rockwork would have made more sense
But to be fair…the 20K lagoon may have limited their options

It's weird hearing the tomorrowland loop and seeing the tea cups.

 

[pdude81]

It’s a subtle change from
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It’s only the CBJ piece that I had not heard. I was told we’d keep some of Frontierland so BTMRR isn’t an orphan.

The thing that scares me about the country bears is that the exit is into Pecos bill, right? So would they just wall off the two?

I really hope they don't just gut the country bears theater and make Tiana's restaurant gigantic

 

[MisterPenguin]

The thing that scares me about the country bears is that the exit is into Pecos bill, right? So would they just wall off the two?

The exit is open to PB, but doesn't really go into it.

It can be easily walled off.

 

[SirLink]

It has been said countless times that Splash and CBJ and the RoA were not "the frontier" despite being plopped down in a land called Frontierland.

And when you convert Splash to TBA and Pecos Bill to Tiana's Place... what is left of Frontier land?

Diamond Horseshoe was already drawn in by Disney maps to be preposterously part of Liberty Square. And even if you took it out of Liberty Square, it's a St. Louis restaurant, which is the same timeframe of Mississippi riverboats... and thus, not the Frontier.

The "Frontier" is not just generally the Midwest or the South. It was unsettled land (unsettled by European expansion).

There's just about no Frontier left with Pecos Bill's conversion.

It was time to put a fork in it and call it 'done.'

(Not to mention the problematic associations there are with "the frontier" -- for some, it was called 'home.')

Nothing problematic with the 'Frontier' and everyone likes a good cowboy film ... mmm 'Cowboys Of The Frontier' could sound like a cool ride. They can always build a 'New Frontierland' behind BTMR if any of this was going ahead, and that's a big 'if' due to:

• Global recession on the horizon
• From Idea to being Operational through WDI to division management move at a glacial speed.
• Any plans for this will value engineered to a beignet and a mint julep cart

 

[James Alucobond]

… and a mint julep cart

Technically more of a Kentucky thing.

 

[Br0ckford]

everyone likes a good cowboy film

Just watched Tombstone for the first time a few weeks ago....AMAZING.

 

[networkpro]

It's weird hearing the tomorrowland loop and seeing the tea cups.

It's really weird seeing all of the guests.

 

[doctornick]

Except, there is limited buildable land North of the train station. It is the train maint. for Big Thunder and the canal.

There is literally an designated expansion pad behind Splash. @marni1971 has show maps with that prior. And if they are serious about “beyond thunder mountain” then they have to connect there somehow - either they fill in (at least part of) the RoA or they build a bridge over the canal and the logical place to do that is from area behind BTMRR/Splash. Yes the train service station would need to be taken into account with any plans but that can be done as it would pretty much exclusively be used after hours.

 

[scottieRoss]

There is literally an designated expansion pad behind Splash. @marni1971 has show maps with that prior. And if they are serious about “beyond thunder mountain” then they have to connect there somehow - either they fill in (at least part of) the RoA or they build a bridge over the canal and the logical place to do that is from area behind BTMRR/Splash. Yes the train service station would need to be taken into account with any plans but that can be done as it would pretty much exclusively be used after hours.

Here is the 2020 plan image.
the salmon color is buildable land, The light green is marginally usable/Conservation area.
The only buildable areas are just north of (Beyond) Big Thunder and then moving across the top of the areas behind the park to the utilidor entrance.
The expansion pad is located in the already planned area behind Pirates-East of the canal-south to Seven Seas Lagoon.
The large salmon to the East of Magic Kingdom is currently used now for TRON