'Strange World' Disney's 2022 Animated Film

[BuddyThomas]

Ok, I can say that people who were hateful to you are hateful as well. But that does not change the fact nor make it right that I am receiving hate from you now does it?

And I don't care if the majority of people don't agree with my take on the movie. Nor should you so much.

You're not receiving any hate from me. Maybe you are inferring a tone that is not there. It is a message board, not a Toni Morrison novel. Anyway, I give you credit for at least having seen the film, which is more than most of those on this thread can say. Most people are talking about how bad it sucks and they have not even seen it. That is absolutely ridiculous, especially since the reason they are saying this is because they heard it has a gay character in it.

 

[celluloid]

You're not receiving any hate from me. Maybe you are inferring a tone that is not there. It is a message board, not a Toni Morrison novel. Anyway, I give you credit for at least having seen the film, which is more than most of those on this thread can say. Most people are talking about how bad it sucks and they have not even seen it. That is absolutely ridiculous, especially since the reason they are saying this is because they heard it has a gay character in it.

Maybe you were not intending for it to be hateful, but you were certainly hateful towards me in your posting word choices. I would like to point out some examples of what discourse would cause someone to feel that way.

using the "Ummmmm" exaggerated in an overmount of letters like you did earlier when quoting me at the start of your post comes across as facetious.

Ending your post towards me with "I can see what is going on here" comes across like you feel I have some hidden agenda.

You also quoted me and lumped the fact that someone put a love emoji to my comment to somehow lower the value of my post.

Avoiding those kinds of postings will help keep better discourse and provide a welcoming environment. On that note, I am sorry that there have been posters hateful towards you. I would also ask the same of anyone being that way towards another poster, such as you on this forum for the same reasons. I will do better as well.

If you did not intend for that to be hateful, that makes me feel better and I appreciate that. I just wanted to clarify why it would come across that way in discourse. No Toni Morrison novel needed. :-D

 

[BuddyThomas]

Maybe you were not intending for it to be hateful, but you were certainly hateful towards me in your posting word choices. I would like to point out some examples of what discourse would cause someone to feel that way.

using the "Ummmmm" exaggerated in an overmount of letters like you did earlier when quoting me at the start of your post comes across as facetious.

Ending your post towards me with "I can see what is going on here" comes across like you feel I have some hidden agenda.

You also quoted me and lumped the fact that someone put a love emoji to my comment to somehow lower the value of my post.

Avoiding those kinds of postings will help keep better discourse and provide a welcoming environment. On that note, I am sorry that there have been posters hateful towards you. I would also ask the same of anyone being that way towards another poster, such as you on this forum for the same reasons. I will do better as well.

If you did not intend for that to be hateful, that makes me feel better and I appreciate that. I just wanted to clarify why it would come across that way in discourse. No Toni Morrison novel needed. :-D

Apologies. I won't lie. This thread has me totally triggered. You may not have seen some of the stuff that has been deleted, but it has been disgusting and unreal, and as a person who does not tolerate homophobia at all, I am very on edge with all of this. Maybe I misunderstood your post.

 

[celluloid]

Apologies. I won't lie. This thread has me totally triggered. You may not have seen some of the stuff that has been deleted, but it has been disgusting and unreal, and as a person who does not tolerate homophobia at all, I am very on edge with all of this. Maybe I misunderstood your post.

That is very respectable of you. I appreciate you replying. I want to end the hate. I was feeling contentious and attacked and maybe that was the reason, maybe I am triggered too because I wanted to love this movie, but the writing and direction were just blah to me. I am not an amazing writer, but I like to think given a few drafts I could fix some things about it. It is my trade.

I wanted to enjoy it, but I just could not. And how they did a lot of things could have been better.

 

[SuddenStorm]

Hateful? That's hysterical considering the hate I have witnessed from the phobes on this board for the past 10+ years.

Keep fighting the good fight my brother. I'm horrified that phobes have been running rampant on this forum for 10+ years and am thrilled you've been working to shut them down.

For 10+ years.

 

[LittleBuford]

Quit invalidating someone's take on it.

You didn’t react this way when he disagreed with my take earlier. We’re dealing in subjective opinions; I can no more invalidate his personal feelings than he can invalidate mine. All we can do is share our thoughts and respectfully challenge each other. It’s up to others to decide whose take they find convincing.

 

[LittleBuford]

Why did they even do it? No one can really explain that.

It’s been explained multiple time: it’s a way of being more inclusive. But some simply don’t like the explanation.

 

[celluloid]

You didn’t react this way when he disagreed with my take earlier. We’re dealing in subjective opinions; I can no more invalidate his personal feelings than he can invalidate mine. All we can do is share our thoughts and respectfully challenge each other. It’s up to others to decide whose take they find convincing.

I think you will find I was not posting then, or posting at the same time frame window of the posts that I did not see it. You can disagree with takes, I hope no one is invalidating and rude intentionally to someone else's opinions. I only saw what was in the midst of someone coming across as hating on me. You too are included in the right to not be hated. Sorry I missed that. I am not going to catch everything.

Your last part is not necessarily true either. There is no requirement in life to get others to agree with you or convince them. It is ok for someone just to share there take on it and not expect a win or to persuade about every aspect.

 

[LittleBuford]

Uh, quote it correctly please "not without proclamation". I invite the posters to please read my initial post. We are done. Have a nice day.

I apologise for my misreading. I don’t recall any fanfare about the change at the time, but I may have missed it.

 

[LittleBuford]

There is no requirement in life to get others to agree with you or convince them. It is ok for someone just to share there take on it and not expect a win or to persuade about every aspect.

That’s precisely what I was trying to say anyway.

 

[TP2000]

Again, you are objecting to moves inclusive to the LGBTQ community. I'm starting to think you really are Milo.

I'm objecting to movies inclusive of the 2SLGBTQQIAP+ community that are aimed at children under age 12.

It's quite telling that you refuse to make that distinction. You simply refuse. That's not going to be a winning strategy for our community long term, my dear.

We simply have to acknowledge the fact that almost all of us don't have children, will never have children, and mostly likely don't want children. Hell, I still have PTSD from babysitting my nephews a few times 20 years ago. Children?!? In my home for five hours?!? With sniffling noses and bad conversation skills and ugly shoes and chicken-tender focused dietary restrictions?!? I honestly don't know how I survived.

But would I have taken those boys to see Strange World when they were 8 and 10 years old respectively? Nope. Save the gay crush stuff in Disney movies for when they are teenagers and can process it better. An 8 year old boy shouldn't have to figure out in his brain why another boy would want to hold hands with another boy. It's just not the right time for that at age 8. At age 12, maybe. At age 15, much more likely.

But it should be up to the parents to determine the right age for that subject matter, based on inherent knowledge of their own child's development along with their familial cultural values. Weepy virtue signaling Burbank execs who live in a tight bubble like Karey Burke should not get to determine that for America's parents.

The box office results of Disney's last two animated family films produced with huge budgets of $180 to $200 Million apiece seems to prove that business plan is failing. Parents revenge, if you will.

 

[CaptinEO]

How does this true statement

Fit with this statement?

You say that these 6 films "lost money, and a lot of it." But then you acknowledge that you don't know how much they did or did not make, because Disney does not report this specifically.

I know Disney+ loses a billion plus each year. I know that Disney pursued theatrical releases in 2022. So it's a fair assumption that pay per view and throwing 200 million dollar animated films on Disney Plus has not turned them a profit. Wall Street agrees.

 

[TP2000]

Same! I love a good steak- and while my drinking hasn't extended much beyond bottom shelf vodka and orange juice, or cheap beer- I respect the art behind a good cocktail.

I've read several interesting articles over the years how mens palates evolve in their 20's and 30's. Boys mature slower than girls anyway, but male palates and taste preferences are even slower it turns out.

Which is why a 20 year old guy loves cheap light beer and syrupy shots of cinnamon flavored liquor, taste profiles not far removed from the 20 year old girl across the dance floor he has his eye on.

But by age 28 or so a mans palate has changed and is evolving. Unflavored whiskey are more enticing to him, and darker and richer beers. Plus darker red wines. When a man is in his mid 30's his palate has fully evolved and appreciates smoky whiskey cocktails, and the sugary and lighter drinks of his youth are often stomach-turning for him.

It's all based in genetics, or biology, or something impressive sounding like that. But it's real. Regardless, just don't get caught drinking an Appletini or anything with an umbrella in it unless you are on a Carnival Cruise (God forbid) and your lady friend is matching you drink-for-drink. Then umbrella drinks are okay.

For all I've said here, rules are still made to be broken if she's cute enough.

 

[TP2000]

I know Disney+ loses a billion plus each year.

I'm still just baffled by that. They're throwing Billions into Disney+ waiting for it to finally turn a profit. Will it? Does anyone know it will?

Much like Cryptocurrency, or Amway, or crappy timeshares in Costa Rica with mildewed showers, I just can't figure out how it makes any money for anyone long term. It's obvious it's losing Billions short term, at least that we know.

But how does any of it make any money for anyone, except the maid who gets paid to clean the mildew out of the shower before the next timeshare "owner" checks in???

 

[LittleBuford]

I'm objecting to movies inclusive of the 2SLGBTQQIAP+ community that are aimed at children under age 12.

Children too belong to that community. As you well know, we gay men were once gay boys. We didn’t suddenly turn gay when we hit adolescence.

 

[mickEblu]

Is the turning point Lightyear? Did any of the other films you listed include content that your coworkers would consider inappropriate for their children?

My turning point was Lightyear. If Lightyear didn’t exist i still wouldn’t take my son to see Strange World knowing what I know about the movie but I wouldn’t be as hyper aware about the topic as I am now and have a new outlook on the Walt Disney Company. The repetition and going back to back is still a real head scratcher. You think they would have treaded lightly and release 3-5 animated movies in between something like Lightyear and Strange World. Maybe they were just testing the water and didn’t get all the data they needed from Lightyear for whatever reason.

 

[TP2000]

Children too belong to that community. As you well know, we gay men were once gay boys. We didn’t suddenly turn gay when we hit adolescence.

It's up to the parents to determine that. It's not up to us childless adults to decide what is best for other people's children.

Looking at the box office results for Disney/Pixar films lately, parents around the world agree with that.

Did I know at age 8 I was gay? Nope. Did I know at age 12? Not really, but something was up. Did I know at age 15? Hell yes.

By the summer I turned 16 I was off and running. But at age 8? No, and the parents are still firmly in charge of that age group anyway.

 

[mickEblu]

It seems to me that some of the issues people have with Lightyear and Strange World (and possibly Turning Red also) are now being generalised and applied to films that were previously not viewed through the same lens. Whereas a year ago, we would have been talking about Luca and Encanto’s performance in terms of such factors as COVID, Disney+, and quality, now the “Disney is pushing an agenda and can’t be trusted to provide age-appropriate content” narrative is being backdated to encompass pretty much anything post-Moana. Part of me wishes that Lightyear and Strange World hadn’t included anything related to queerness so that we might have been spared this narrative.

This is exactly right. Where as before someone like me wasn’t annoyed by little references here and there like the LeFou scene at the end of the live action BatB especially when they re funny and executed well. If I saw something like that in the next movie it would annoy me because I’d feel like I’m being beat over the head with it. Disney is at a crossroads right now. It’ll be interesting to see what they do.

 

[TP2000]

My turning point was Lightyear. If Lightyear didn’t exist i still wouldn’t take my son to see Strange World knowing what I know about the movie but I wouldn’t be as hyper aware about the topic as I am now and have a new outlook on the Walt Disney Company. The repetition and going back to back is still a real head scratcher. You think they would have treaded lightly and release 3-5 animated movies in between something like Lightyear and Strange World. Maybe they were just testing the water and didn’t get all the data they needed from Lightyear for whatever reason.

Having interacted with these types of media folks on occasion over the years, at LA dinner parties or Lesbian wedding receptions or mens-only cocktail parties, I'm fairly convinced that the Burbank execs who make these decisions honestly are so clueless that they don't know how alarming some of this stuff is to the average American parent of an 8 year old boy.

They live in a bubble. They only get fed information that comforts them and supports them, never challenges them. And the information they do have of the world beyond their safe bubble is that it is full of bigots and backwards hicks who shop at WalMart and drive gas-powered trucks and go to churches where serpents are used and the pastor speaks in tongues. That is a big chunk of their audience for the products they sell, they are smart enough to know that. But they often think it's their responsibility to enlighten their paying audience and bring wisdom into their sad, bigoted lives that only they can bring.

It's funny really.

But if you think about it too much and how seriously the Burbank types take themselves, it's very sad. So I just try to keep it funny.

 

[LittleBuford]

It's up to the parents to determine that.

We agree! Leave the creative decisions to Disney. Parents can then decide whether or not they want their children to watch the resulting films.