'Strange World' Disney's 2022 Animated Film

[BrianLo]

How did it crash and burn? Halloween Kills grossed more domestically than Encanto, and as a Blumhouse feature had a huge profit margin for what it cost the studio. It was a Rated R feature that outperformed a Disney animated Holiday release. It was a fact to point out.

You may be thinking of Halloween Ends, from just this last fall, which did not do great but was also on Peacock with the same logic you give Encanto. It still doubled it's budget domestically so it was a success, just a third in a series of reboots. Ha.

It is cool that Encanto caught on with Disney Plus for a bit as it was released rather quickly. But plenty of movies out performed it and as far as cultural relevance,

Chicken Little was bigger financial hit and as far as how cultural impact goes I remember the Toys, the video game and the presence in the parks including painting the soundstage shaped building of The Brown Derby.

It does not always last.

Encanto is not even Hercules, it is just a recent moderate hit.


And back to the present, financially receptive as a film is what the discussion has been:

Disney's recent attempts have not been doing well. Even with all the formula of timing and laurels in place.
Pixar and Disney Animation both fizzled.

Universal's Illumination and DreamWorks both hit their marks.

For the millionth time I am not talking about Encanto's box office performance, which clearly underperformed. Encanto is the single most watched (adjusting for content length - on an annual basis) product on any streaming platform, ever. Ever!

It was more watched than the Office during the Pandemic. More watched than Squid Games. More watched than Stranger Things. More watched than the Mandalorian. It also has not fallen off charts unlike those ongoing properties tend to between their episode releases.

It is the only property Disney has ever started discussing adding into the parks within 6 months of release, other than Frozen.

From their Q4 annual financial statement merchandise growth, Encanto is specifically called out.

See you in 5-10 years when that movie hasn't gone anywhere and everyone is complaining about how it doesn't belong in "X" park and why does Disney feel the need to add We don't Talk about Bruno to every night spectacular.

 

[celluloid]

For the millionth time I am not talking about Encanto's box office performance, which clearly underperformed. Encanto is the single most watched (adjusting for content length - on an annual basis) product on any streaming platform, ever. Ever!

It was more watched than the Office during the Pandemic. More watched than Squid Games. More watched than Stranger Things. More watched than the Mandalorian. It also has not fallen off charts unlike those ongoing properties tend to between their episode releases.

It is the only property Disney has ever started discussing adding into the parks within 6 months of release, other than Frozen.

From their Q4 annual financial statement merchandise growth, Encanto is specifically called out.

See you in 5-10 years when that movie hasn't gone anywhere and everyone is complaining about how it doesn't belong in "X" park and why does Disney feel the need to add We don't Talk about Bruno to every night spectacular.

Kids rewatch a lot of things for a year or two, and then stop. It was a Disney Musical new release. It's not a bomb,. It it did also not resonate the same way the others you mention did.

Of course they mention in quarter results. The biggest but they had recently does not mean the same as a huge hit they should have had. No one is saying it is a failure, but it's too soon to say it is on the same league.

Imagine if they could have tracked how many times kids watched Hercules on home video. Or Emperors New Groove. Both have which largely dropped off and not used much in parks anymore(sans a few songs and motifs) but are not in the same league as Frozen, Beauty and The Beast, Little Mermaid or original Walt era Princesses.

 

[BrianLo]

Kids rewatch a lot of things for a year or two, and then stop. It was a Disney Musical new release. It's not a bomb,. It it did also not resonate the same way the others you mention did.

Of course they mention in quarter results. The biggest but they had recently does not mean the same as a huge hit they should have had. No one is saying it is a failure, but it's too soon to say it is on the same league.

Imagine if they could have tracked how many times kids watched Hercules on home video. Or Emperors New Groove. Both have which largely dropped off and not used much in parks anymore(sans a few songs and motifs) but are not in the same league as Frozen, Beauty and The Beast, Little Mermaid or original Walt era Princesses.

Fair enough, its staying power we have certainly not determined yet one way or the other. We'll certainly see if it sticks like Frozen or Moana over the next 5-10 years.

 

[celluloid]

Fair enough, its staying power we have certainly not determined yet one way or the other. We'll certainly see if it sticks like Frozen or Moana over the next 5-10 years.

The big push for that five to ten from now is Tiana. They teased an idea Blue Sky of an attractio lands of CoCo and Encanto. It was good talk of what if like many others that never come to pass. It takes then nearly two years to retheme a log flume with years in development before that. I don't think we will be seeing much more Encanto than there already is easily slipped into temp meet and greets and Night time musical numbers during fireworks. The easy stuff Disney likes to do.
By then, something bigger will be a push, so maybe an Ecanto sequel doing bangers or Disney Plus series is the best kind of hope for it.

 

[Heppenheimer]

The big push for that five to ten from now is Tiana. They teased an idea Blue Sky of an attractio lands of CoCo and Encanto. It was good talk of what if like many others that never come to pass. It takes then nearly two years to retheme a log flume with years in development before that. I don't think we will be seeing much more Encanto than there already is easily slipped into temp meet and greets and Night time musical numbers during fireworks. The easy stuff Disney likes to do.
By then, something bigger will be a push, so maybe an Ecanto sequel doing bangers or Disney Plus series is the best kind of hope for it.

Without looking this up, was the original perception that The Princess and the Frog underperformed? I know it wasn't a flop, and I seem to recall that it was generally well received, but it just didn't seem to land like they hoped.

Wifey and I recently rewatched it, and although I remember it being a pretty good movie at the time, it was much better than I remember. I'm looking forward to how they integrate the movie into New Orleans Square at Disneyland, which is a natural fit.

I wonder, though, where would Encanto fit in the parks? The setting really isn't "jungle" enough for Adventureland, and I can't see them getting away with the intellectually lazy option of putting it in the Mexico pavilion ("It's Spanish, they won't know the difference..." says the soon-to-be-fired executive). There's no thematic connection to Frontierland. Maybe if they added a South America section to Animal Kingdom, but it seems like Disney won't add anything to the parks these days unless it has an ironclad connection to an existing intellectual property.

 

[celluloid]

Without looking this up, was the original perception that The Princess and the Frog underperformed? I know it wasn't a flop, and I seem to recall that it was generally well received, but it just didn't seem to land like they hoped.

Wifey and I recently rewatched it, and although I remember it being a pretty good movie at the time, it was much better than I remember. I'm looking forward to how they integrate the movie into New Orleans Square at Disneyland, which is a natural fit.

I wonder, though, where would Encanto fit in the parks? The setting really isn't "jungle" enough for Adventureland, and I can't see them getting away with the intellectually lazy option of putting it in the Mexico pavilion ("It's Spanish, they won't know the difference..." says the soon-to-be-fired executive). There's no thematic connection to Frontierland. Maybe if they added a South America section to Animal Kingdom, but it seems like Disney won't add anything to the parks these days unless it has an ironclad connection to an existing intellectual property.

It would be a Mystic Manor type ride with enchanted house in the new.land that was Blue Sky, but that is a hefty price tag for the property.

Princess and The Frog with inflation did less than Puss'n' Boots: The Last Wish has done in it's box office run. It has lasting appeal because as you point out, it is well done, but it only gets a rethemed ride. I don't think Encanto will call for a.major part of an all new land in the next five years.

 

[Ghost93]

Without looking this up, was the original perception that The Princess and the Frog underperformed? I know it wasn't a flop, and I seem to recall that it was generally well received, but it just didn't seem to land like they hoped.

It wasn't a debacle, but it wasn't a resounding success either. It did moderately well but wasn't the huge comeback for 2D animation that Disney and fans hoped for. So in that sense, it underperformed.

Still, the Princess and the Frog has maintained popularity over the years and had a more cultural impact than movies that made more money from that era (Chicken Little, Bolt, etc.)

Strange World is definitely a flop, but only time will tell if it has any staying power. Fantasia, Alice in Wonderland and Sleeping Beauty were flops when they first came out, and all are regarded as beloved classics today. Whereas movies like The Black Cauldron and Treasure Planet flopped on initial release and have pretty much vanished from pop culture. I don't see Strange World getting a revival, but who knows. Maybe it will age well. We really won't know until about 10 years from now.

 

[erasure fan1]

It wasn't a debacle, but it wasn't a resounding success either. It did moderately well but wasn't the huge comeback for 2D animation that Disney and fans hoped for. So in that sense, it underperformed.

I'd say it was a definite underperformer. It had a 105mil budget and made only 267mil. By most accepted standards, it would have needed about 315mil to break even. So it wouldn't be wrong to say it was a flop. At least in the states it was by not even making its budget back. That said, the film was received well by most and really suffered from a terrible marketing strategy where it was aimed at little girls. It wasn't the quality of the film that was the reason it didn't do well. It is my favorite animated film since lion king.

 

[celluloid]

If you want a theatrical comparison feel for how popular if it were out today. Puss'n' Boots Last Wish, has outperofrmed it, even with inflation. Bot domestically and worldwide.

I am not saying they have the same merch punch power, but it is wild that both Puss'n'Boots spin off movies of Shrek, ten years apart, have outperformed the single Princess and The Frog Movie

 

[RobWDW1971]

Priced to move!!! Discounted for purchase just 69 days after theatrical release!

You know what that say, disastrous box office leads to disastrous home media sales.

That 39% RT All Audience score isn’t helping the word of mouth.

Physical coming 2/14, will be interesting to see how it performs versus other recent animated titles.

 

[BuddyThomas]

There is no 39% score on Rotten Tomatoes. It is 66% positive user and 72% positive from critics. Don’t get it twisted while you continue your gloating.

 

[Prince-1]

Priced to move!!! Discounted for purchase just 69 days after theatrical release!

You know what that say, disastrous box office leads to disastrous home media sales.

That 39% RT All Audience score isn’t helping the word of mouth.

Physical coming 2/14, will be interesting to see how it performs versus other recent animated titles.

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Your posts are so funny and so sad at the same time. You definitely need to keep posting about a movie that you didn’t see and is long gone out of the theaters because it is so very entertaining.

 

[Prince-1]

There is no 39% score on Rotten Tomatoes. It is 66% positive user and 72% positive from critics. Don’t get it twisted while you continue your gloating.

Wait, your mean Robbie may have lied. Again??

 

[Ghost93]

Wait, your mean Robbie may have lied. Again??

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He didn't lie, he just used the unverified score — which is unreliable as people can vote who didn't actually watch the movie. The entire reason Rotten Tomatoes came up with the verified system was that trolls were often review bombing movies they hadn't actually seen. It started after Captain Marvel was review bombed by insecure men who hated comments that Brie Larson made on the press tour.

 

[Prince-1]

He didn't lie, he just used the unverified score — which is unreliable as people can vote who didn't actually watch the movie. The entire reason Rotten Tomatoes came up with the verified system was that trolls were often review bombing movies they hadn't actually seen. It started after Captain Marvel was review bombed by insecure men who hated comments that Brie Larson made on the press tour.

So he used scores that includes trolls and basement dwellers. Makes sense.

And I think it also happened with the Ghostbusters remake when all those sad and lonely losers spammed RT.

 

[DKampy]

He didn't lie, he just used the unverified score — which is unreliable as people can vote who didn't actually watch the movie. The entire reason Rotten Tomatoes came up with the verified system was that trolls were often review bombing movies they hadn't actually seen. It started after Captain Marvel was review bombed by insecure men who hated comments that Brie Larson made on the press tour.

So just like this thread where people are reviewing the movie without seeing it

 

[RobWDW1971]

Rotten Tomatoes "verified' reviews only started May 2019. So you can only use that new process to compare theatrical movies that opened after that time.

"All Audience" is an apples to apples comparison for all films since they started the website, which is why I use it (and for Strange World it is currently sitting at 39%).

If one was to only use "verified' you couldn't compare Toy Story 4 vs. Toy Story 3 (doesn't have verified) or compare Encanto to Turning Red (also doesn't have verified because wasn't released in theaters). It also doesn’t allow people who watch the film on home video to rate it as well so the rating is frozen in time during its theatrical release.

So recapping, no films that existed before May 2019, no movies without large theatrical releases (Turning Red, Luck, Marcel the Shell, etc, etc), and no post theatrical voting - in other words a very limited use metric.

But hey, this is fun, let's try to find a single way that this movie is not a complete disaster!

• Box Office of $73M global on a reported budget of $180M - CHECK!
• CinemaScore from those who paid to see it on opening weekend - lowest of all time in Disney animated history of a B - CHECK!
• Rotten Tomatoes - "All Audience" score of 39% one of the lowest of all animated films in history (theatrical or direct to home video) - CHECK!
• Rotten Tomatoes - "Verified Audience" score of 66% is the THIRD WORST score for an animated film in the history of the rating (only beating something called Arctic Dogs and Playmobile:The Movie) - CHECK!
• Unceremoniously dumped on to Disney+ at 30 days after release and on sale for $9.99 in the bargain bin by 60 days - CHECK!

And just to compare that “verified” score to recent releases:

Strange World 66%
(A massive gap)
Lightyear 84%
Minions: Rise of Gru 89%
Encanto 93%
Puss In Boots: The Last Wish 94%
Paw Patrol: The Movie 97%
Sing 2 98%

31 percentage points below Paw Patrol. Impressive.

 

[Chi84]

So just like this thread where people are reviewing the movie without seeing it

From what I read, review bombing is done to sway people away from seeing a movie by making them believe others didn’t think it was worth seeing. Seems to be done when a movie contains something that the review bombers object to and don’t want others to see.

If you read the first five pages of posts in this thread, before anything was really known about the characters, it didn’t seem people were too excited about seeing this movie.

But after certain details about the film were released, some posters latched onto them as the reason people were rejecting the movie. Of course there isn’t any way to prove what motivated people not to see it. The thread contains plausible several theories.

The people who object to certain minor parts of this film (I saw it) want Disney to conclude that those parts were the “theme” of the film and the reason for its failure so Disney will stay away from those subjects in the future.

But there’s no way to prove that and Disney’s going to do what it thinks is right - probably with baby steps. Things change slowly but what is seen as controversial today will be commonplace tomorrow.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Hey everyone? Have you heard that Strange World didn't do well and wasn't beloved by audiences?

 

[celluloid]

Hey everyone? Have you heard that Strange World didn't do well and wasn't beloved by audiences?

What the heck is Strange World?