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'Strange World' Disney's 2022 Animated Film

Heppenheimer

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“What we were going for in this scene is really building up the sense of mystery around the Mystery Mousketool and how it would help Mickey.”
You can only imagine how many times a day I hear the term "Mouseketool". When I'm old and demented (or maybe just demented), I'll probably randomly shout out "Oh, Toodles..." and "We got ears, say cheers!" at inappropriate times.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Soul, Onward, Luca, Mulan Remake, Raya, and Turning Red all lost tons of money by being sent to Disney +.
Ummm... technically...

Mulan went to Disney+ Premier (and limited release globally). So, we don't know how many paid to watch it as PPV. Tho, it would be hard pressed to make the $250M it needed to break even in PPV money.

Raya also went to PPV the same day it was released (as limited release). Raya needed about $100M in home PPV to break even.

The other premier PPV films which are financial black boxes: Black Widow, Cruella, and Jungle Cruise.
 

CaptinEO

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Ummm... technically...

Mulan went to Disney+ Premier (and limited release globally). So, we don't know how many paid to watch it as PPV. Tho, it would be hard pressed to make the $250M it needed to break even in PPV money.

Raya also went to PPV the same day it was released (as limited release). Raya needed about $100M in home PPV to break even.

The other premier PPV films which are financial black boxes: Black Widow, Cruella, and Jungle Cruise.
That is correct they were pay per view for a week or so before being on the services. I think it's unlikely this model made even close to recouping the budget.

PPV and all of Disney+ is a big black box of lost money.

And I'm not saying a film is good or bad for it's box office. I really enjoyed Turning Red, Encanto, and Onward. Onward just had the unfortunate timing of only being out a week before shutdowns happened.

But it seems Disney can't use their animated films to turn a profit currently be it Disney+, PPV, or Theatrical. Lets hope for a shakeup in the film department.
 

LittleBuford

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Soul, Onward, Luca, Mulan Remake, Raya, and Turning Red all lost tons of money by being sent to Disney +. The company did not make money on these films. Encanto tanked in theaters but did become popular and hopefully has made its budget back in toy sales.

That is 6 films that lost money, and a lot of it. When Disney and Pixar finally went back to releasing films theaters after two years of trying to subsidize Disney + they had two big bombs, Lightyear and Strangeworld. So now we are at 8 high budget films bombing.

Not saying the movies are good or bad, but none of them provided a profit or did good. It's a major embarassment.

Meanwhile pre 2019 Disney would make their films and license them to other streamers without having to pay for their own service to host it. D+ was a huge mistake financially and continues to be. Disney Animation and Pixar are in trouble. Marvel is still doing good theatrically and I think Avatar will also do fine. But Disney is not in a good place for either of their animated studios.
But the claim I’m addressing is that Disney is now making bad movies that are incapable of turning a profit. The list you’ve provided includes films that were well received by audiences and critics but that, for a variety of reasons unrelated to quality, did not do as well as they otherwise might have.
 

CaptinEO

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But the claim I’m addressing is that Disney is now making bad movies that are incapable of turning a profit. The list you’ve provided includes films that were well received by audiences and critics but that, for a variety of reasons unrelated to quality, did not do as well as they otherwise might have.
It's true they aren't making a profit. Good or bad is up to the viewer to judge. I don't have kids but the vibe I get from coworkers with kids is they can't trust Disney anymore. They don't know what topic might be in the next movie and whether they are ready to discuss it with their children.
 

LittleBuford

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It's true they aren't making a profit. Good or bad is up to the viewer to judge. I don't have kids but the vibe I get from coworkers with kids is they can't trust Disney anymore. They don't know what topic might be in the next movie and whether they are ready to discuss it with their children.
Is the turning point Lightyear? Did any of the other films you listed include content that your coworkers would consider inappropriate for their children?
 

LittleBuford

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It seems to me that some of the issues people have with Lightyear and Strange World (and possibly Turning Red also) are now being generalised and applied to films that were previously not viewed through the same lens. Whereas a year ago, we would have been talking about Luca and Encanto’s performance in terms of such factors as COVID, Disney+, and quality, now the “Disney is pushing an agenda and can’t be trusted to provide age-appropriate content” narrative is being backdated to encompass pretty much anything post-Moana. Part of me wishes that Lightyear and Strange World hadn’t included anything related to queerness so that we might have been spared this narrative.
 

BuddyThomas

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I haven’t seen Strange World yet so will withhold comment, but I found Lightyear to be a poor to mediocre movie, and not for any reasons related to all this “agenda” nonsense. Here’s what I posted about it at the time:
I liked Lightyear but Strange World is better. The animation is amazing and it has multiple elaborate action sequences that are reminiscent of Indiana Jones films. I have no idea how they were able to create much of what is in this film.
 

CaptinEO

Well-Known Member
It seems to me that some of the issues people have with Lightyear and Strange World (and possibly Turning Red also) are now being generalised and applied to films that were previously not viewed through the same lens. Whereas a year ago, we would have been talking about Luca and Encanto’s performance in terms of such factors as COVID, Disney+, and quality, now the “Disney is pushing an agenda and can’t be trusted to provide age-appropriate content” narrative is being backdated to encompass pretty much anything post-Moana. Part of me wishes that Lightyear and Strange World hadn’t included anything related to queerness so that we might have been spared this narrative.
It does seem like people solely blame the woke moments for a movies failure. To me these films sound so bad that I don't think there was any salvaging them. The woke moments might have been a way to somehow save face for making a bad movie.

I know with Star Wars Lucasfilm called people who didn't like some of the shows and films racists/sexists which is crazy to me.
 

_caleb

Well-Known Member
How does this true statement
PPV and all of Disney+ is a big black box of lost money.
Fit with this statement?
Soul, Onward, Luca, Mulan Remake, Raya, and Turning Red all lost tons of money by being sent to Disney +. The company did not make money on these films. Encanto tanked in theaters but did become popular and hopefully has made its budget back in toy sales.

That is 6 films that lost money, and a lot of it. When Disney and Pixar finally went back to releasing films theatrically after two years of trying to subsidize Disney + they had two big bombs, Lightyear and Strangeworld. So now we are at 8 high budget films bombing.
You say that these 6 films "lost money, and a lot of it." But then you acknowledge that you don't know how much they did or did not make, because Disney does not report this specifically.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
I'm surprised you aren't shopping at Harmon's.

I've been twice now and I love it! We don't have a Trader Joe's in town, yet. I was just reflecting on my previous life.

But the locals are convinced one is going in soon, according to various in-laws or realtor friends or spouses who know people in city hall, etc., etc.. I can't figure out yet if the Trader Joe's talk is the town's version of Texans convinced Disney bought 10,000 acres near Dallas for DisneyWorld II. :rolleyes:

My hope is that we actually start discussing the film itself.

I'd love to discuss more the marketing. I've asked a few folks specifically that question, but never get a response. There was purposeful decisions by Burbank to not market this film well and/or market it so lightly that even Disney fans who spend time on websites like this didn't even know it existed.

Why was that? Why did Burbank let this $180 Million film die a quiet and quick death in the marketplace? I've never seen Disney do anything like it with such an expensive family film, to be honest. At Thanksgiving! Why??? 🤔
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
I don't have kids but the vibe I get from coworkers with kids is they can't trust Disney anymore. They don't know what topic might be in the next movie and whether they are ready to discuss it with their children.

This is key. Parents are now on guard for Disney/Pixar products, and that could be the death of those brands.

This Harris Poll is from last March, before Lightyear or Strange World were released as "family films", but I look forward to seeing what happens with the upcoming 2023 edition of this poll. The trajectory of Disney's reputation with American parents is clear. Does it get a "dead cat bounce" in '23, or is there still more of the cliff they have to fall off of in '23?

It's an ominous sign. And quite sad to see. :(

OffTheCliff.jpg
 

_caleb

Well-Known Member
This is key. Parents are now on guard for Disney/Pixar products, and that could the death of those brands.

This Harris Poll is from last March, before Lightyear or Strange World were released as "family films", but I look forward to seeing what happens with the upcoming 2023 edition of this poll. The trajectory of Disney's reputation with American parents is clear. Does it get a "dead cat bounce" in '23, or is there still more of the cliff they have to fall off of in '23?

It's an ominous sign. And quite sad to see. :(

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Have you figured out what happened in 2014 that made Disney's reputation take a nose dive? Or what, in 2015, made it bounce back? And I wonder what happened in 2019/2020 that made such a difference? In your opinion, is this when Disney started injecting its social agenda into children's films?

You've posted data and charts, but the real fun is in interpreting and analyzing the data so that it can inform your conclusions.
 

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