Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[ToTBellHop]

Huh? We never had to quarantine for close contact once vaccinated. How can they force this if not even close contact?

Private school does whatever the hell they want. Ugh.

 

[DisneyCane]

‘This is unprecedented’: Omicron causes 80% of coronavirus cases in Miami-Dade in 2 weeks

The coronavirus’ new omicron variant is rapidly replacing the delta variant, so public health officials at the federal and local levels are urging people to get the booster shot.

www.local10.com

If this is how bad it is in Miami-Dade County, Florida's most vaccinated county, and IMO, the one with most mask wearing (for Florida), I am horrified to imagine how other counties are doing. I'm also scared at the thought that every weekend, every route between Miami and Orlando is a traffic nightmare full of Miamians going to the parks and Orlandoans going to South Beach and Wynwood.

How "bad" is it in Miami-Dade? Are the hospitals filling up? All the article says is that Omicron is rapidly replacing Delta as the dominant variant and that it appears to account for 80% of cases.

On masking, Broward says "hold my beer." If Omicron generally causes mild disease and vaccination makes severe disease even less likely then no matter how many "cases" there are, Miami-Dade shouldn't get "bad" at all unless we are worried about mild illness now?

 

[DisneyCane]

Watch the 10am presser from Ocala, if they take a victory lap you know it's going to be really bad this winter

Like the July 4th national victory lap?

I doubt there will be any victory lap. Probably just a "don't panic about Omicron" message.

 

[mkt]

Watch the 10am presser from Ocala, if they take a victory lap you know it's going to be really bad this winter

Pretty much. Unfortunately, I have a meeting at 10 as well.

 

[mkt]

How "bad" is it in Miami-Dade?

I just texted my doctor friends, let's find out.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Trying to think this through (just my opinions). It appears the vaccinated are largely protected from severe illness and death from omicron (especially if boosted). The rest are hellbent on not getting the shots.

I presume it will soon be very busy in hospitals but that such a contagious virus will also be able to trigger the immune response in the anti-vaxxers. It is a sad state but I suspect this is the only way to actually get high enough immunity in the community at large.

The most important thing for those who believe science is to get boosted if it’s time and to vaccinate your kids if eligible. Not much can be done otherwise.

 

[correcaminos]

That’s why I’m waiting 10 years before eating a crepe at that place. Can never be sure.

It's honestly worth waiting on IMO anyway

 

[Lilofan]

It's honestly worth waiting on IMO anyway

Never had a crepe in my life but I will chow down on the overpriced reheated caveman size turkey leg in the parks!

 

[JoeCamel]

Trying to think this through (just my opinions). It appears the vaccinated are largely protected from severe illness and death from omicron (especially if boosted). The rest are hellbent on not getting the shots.

I presume it will soon be very busy in hospitals but that such a contagious virus will also be able to trigger the immune response in the anti-vaxxers. It is a sad state but I suspect this is the only way to actually get high enough immunity in the community at large.

The most important thing for those who believe science is to get boosted if it’s time and to vaccinate your kids if eligible. Not much can be done otherwise.

Is anyone saying if you get Omicron you are immune to Delta or Alpha? I don't think they will survive the cure and have clear sailing but that is the convoluted logic they are using. No infection with the thing that does provide immunity to all the variants so far seems to be the best course of action, that unknown response is not worth banking on. The fear of the unknown response is an excuse not to get vax'ed right? Glad both sides of the street are being kept clean.

 

[correcaminos]

Never had a crepe in my life but I will chow down on the overpriced reheated caveman size turkey leg in the parks!

I love crepes and while I didn't try the sweet ones from this one (I was alone and didn't want to pig out on 2), I tried a savory one and it was barely okay. The cheese tasted incredibly salty and they didn't bother to take the time to properly heat it all. So the center was kind of gross and not warm. Just glad that the line was super short as it was a let down. I tossed about half of it.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Is anyone saying if you get Omicron you are immune to Delta or Alpha? I don't think they will survive the cure and have clear sailing but that is the convoluted logic they are using. No infection with the thing that does provide immunity to all the variants so far seems to be the best course of action, that unknown response is not worth banking on. The fear of the unknown response is an excuse not to get vax'ed right? Glad both sides of the street are being kept clean.

I’ve given up on the anti-vaxxers after all this time. We all tested positive for the virus recently. Were sniffly for 24 hours. That was it. So I know we are protected. Beyond that, honestly, I just can’t. That worry is replaced with my kids’ school or the high school where my wife works possibly getting shot up.

 

[correcaminos]

I’ve given up on the anti-vaxxers after all this time. We all tested positive for the virus recently. Were sniffly for 24 hours. That was it. So I know we are protected. Beyond that, honestly, I just can’t. That worry is replaced with my kids’ school or the high school where my wife works possibly getting shot up.

Yeah the latter is very real issue too. I have an 8th grader whose school was damaged by past challenges. I literally list sleep over this one. Every time the phone rings today I'm on edge.

I haven't totally given up on anti-vaxxers. Depends on why. I've gotten through to holdouts. Though using myself as the guinea pig really helped some. I might sound snotty or mean here at times but it's venting and I try to always go in with compassion.

 

[Parker in NYC]

I haven't totally given up on anti-vaxxers. Depends on why. I've gotten through to holdouts. Though using myself as the guinea pig really helped some. I might sound snotty or mean here at times but it's venting and I try to always go in with compassion.

Too bad the virus hasn’t given up.

 

[mkt]

I just texted my doctor friends, let's find out.

Updated, and remember, it's anecdotal.

They're finding more cases, including for one of them telling me that there was one day where 100% of the suspected cases were positive, and were Omicron. Not so much a ratio of vaccinated vs non-vaccinated, as omicron is attacking them equally.

However, for them, only a small handful of omicron cases require hospitalization. Most are sent home.

Also, flu cases are back, with some covid suspects ended up being Influenza A.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Updated, and remember, it's anecdotal.

They're finding more cases, including for one of them telling me that there was one day where 100% of the suspected cases were positive, and were Omicron. Not so much a ratio of vaccinated vs non-vaccinated, as omicron is attacking them equally.

However, for them, only a small handful of omicron cases require hospitalization. Most are sent home.

Also, flu cases are back, with some covid suspects ended up being Influenza A.

I saw the flu vaccine is not a good match for the predominant strain at this point. T cell immunity will still help the vaccinated but…crap.

 

[correcaminos]

Too bad the virus hasn’t given up.

It's why I haven't stopped trying yet. We will get there some day and I don't believe it will be years either. More likely natural progression of viruses because people suck

 

[DisneyCane]

Updated, and remember, it's anecdotal.

They're finding more cases, including for one of them telling me that there was one day where 100% of the suspected cases were positive, and were Omicron. Not so much a ratio of vaccinated vs non-vaccinated, as omicron is attacking them equally.

However, for them, only a small handful of omicron cases require hospitalization. Most are sent home.

Also, flu cases are back, with some covid suspects ended up being Influenza A.

Thanks for the update. The anecdotal evidence so far is that Omicron doesn't cause serious illness in as high a percentage of cases compared to prior variants. If that goes from anecdotal to empirical it will be a very good thing.

 

[Touchdown]

Thanks for the update. The anecdotal evidence so far is that Omicron doesn't cause serious illness in as high a percentage of cases compared to prior variants. If that goes from anecdotal to empirical it will be a very good thing.

That’s only if the decrease in severity is higher then the increase in infectiousness.

For instance let’s say delta causes hospitalizations in 20% of cases. Now let’s say omercron is less severe and halves the chance of hospitalizations (10%.). However if omercron is 8x more infectious then omercron will increase hospitalizations 4x.

 

[DisneyCane]

That’s only if the decrease in severity is higher then the increase in infectiousness.

For instance let’s say delta causes hospitalizations in 20% of cases. Now let’s say omercron is less severe and halves the chance of hospitalizations (10%.). However if omercron is 8x more infectious then omercron will increase hospitalizations 4x.

If Omicron was 8x more infectious than Delta wouldn't that make it the most contact virus ever known to man?

Hopefully the hospitalizations are less than half of Delta.

 

[Disney Analyst]

That’s only if the decrease in severity is higher then the increase in infectiousness.

For instance let’s say delta causes hospitalizations in 20% of cases. Now let’s say omercron is less severe and halves the chance of hospitalizations (10%.). However if omercron is 8x more infectious then omercron will increase hospitalizations 4x.

Precisely, milder disease in most does not mean everyone will face milder disease. Transmissibility is an important and worrying factor with omicron.

More spread + milder illness mean more people walking around with covid. This means more possibilities to infect more people, resulting in high probabilities of infecting someone who is immuncompromised.

The rate at which omicron can spread, may mean lots have mild cases, but will also mean hospitals can still be overwhelmed.

Especially in a country full of misinformation, anti-vaxxers, and anti-maskers.