News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

[Incomudro]

I bet they do, and I hope it works out. I just don't see the creative force that once was Disney. Maybe the talent isn't as good or the big wigs don't give enough freedom. It's probably a bit of both. Either way, past efforts just make my expectations start at Meh. And if they prove me wrong? I'll gladly eat crow.

Part of the bad feeling I get is the concept drawing that still shows the briers.
I'm concerned that we'll see the bones of Splash simply painted over.
I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Dan Deesnee]

The people who matter and make the decisions think it’s needed.

Its going to happen

They announced the project while most of the company was still shut done. If money was going to stop it that would have been the the time. They aren’t bleeding money.

It’s happening. You should prepare yourself

No they haven't.

You both are wrong. They have been hurt financial in a hugely significant way. Numbers don't lie, this is not my opinion. If you say they haven't been bleeding money, well, I don't know what to tell you except that you're lying to yourself:

Revenue at Disney's parks, experiences and products segment fell 53% to $3.58 billion. Disney has reported similar losses in each of its last three earnings. In the fourth quarter, the company said the coronavirus outbreak cost it around $2.4 billion in lost operating income during its most recent period. - Feb 11, 2021
Source - https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/11/coronavirus-hurt-theme-parks-costing-disney-2point6-billion.html

I also don't think the "people who matter" think this needs to happen either (at WDW), at least not all of them. But who knows. The fact that guests are lined up every day shows that the average guest doesn't care. No mass boycotts, no mass uproar.

 

[LittleBuford]

The fact that guests are lined up every day shows that the average guest doesn't care. No mass boycotts, no mass uproar.

I don’t think anyone seriously thinks that the retheme is happening because of guest demands. The reaction here when the news was announced in summer 2020 was one of universal shock—no-one saw it coming. And before someone brings up the online petition that is sometimes seen as sparking all this, that was hardly significant enough to force Disney’s hand.

 

[Kirby86]

Well of course the petition wasn't what forced the company's hand. I think it's pretty simple the Disney princess brand is extremely profitable for the company and outside of meet and greets Tiana dosen't have an attraction in the parks to sell her merchandise. Splash in Disneyland is by New Orleans Square and her movie is set in New Orleans it makes sense. As a bonus it's replacing a ride that some in the company don't want around anymore because of the source material. Personally I love the current theme and will be sad to see it go but we got to hope for the best.

 

[FantasiaMickey2000]

So since we didn’t hear anything about this during D23 I assume the ride isn’t going down in 2022. It’s been a while since it’s last refurb and it shows. We thinking they are just gonna run this into the ground until closing or will we ever see another winter refurb?

 

[GoneForGood]

So since we didn’t hear anything about this during D23 I assume the ride isn’t going down in 2022. It’s been a while since it’s last refurb and it shows. We thinking they are just gonna run this into the ground until closing or will we ever see another winter refurb?

There is one site reporting that the ride will go down for Winter refurbishment in 2022. Not sure if I believe that though. Grain of salt.

 

[celluloid]

There is one site reporting that the ride will go down for Winter refurbishment in 2022. Not sure if I believe that though. Grain of salt.

That is when the refurbishment typically is at any rate. As mentioned It does not mean it is the retheme. of course The water rides take such abuse.

 

[GoneForGood]

That is when the refurbishment typically is at any rate. As mentioned It does not mean it is the retheme. of course The water rides take such abuse.

Yep- I was shocked at how good DL's version looked back when the parks reopened. And I remember WDW got a few slight upgrades last year too. I suppose they should get it in good condition for it's last few months. (And potentially even to do minor examinations.)

For me, it'll happen when it happens. I just want more detailed information on the kind of experience we're going to get. The time it's taking for more information alone (If Disney is being honest they've had two years in the works). is one of the things that worries me. But I guess it's just going to take some time. I take a glance at the blueprints for both coasts for ideas on how the overlay would go. And considering said blueprints/ the space and layout, it makes sense why it'll take some time. If that's a good or bad thing, time will tell.

Not super enthused but I am trying to be less negative.

 

[EagleScout610]

So since we didn’t hear anything about this during D23 I assume the ride isn’t going down in 2022. It’s been a while since it’s last refurb and it shows. We thinking they are just gonna run this into the ground until closing or will we ever see another winter refurb?

@marni1971 Is Splash going for its annual refurb?

 

[marni1971]

@marni1971 Is Splash going for its annual refurb?

It’s assume so.

 

[MisterPenguin]

You both are wrong. They have been hurt financial in a hugely significant way. Numbers don't lie, this is not my opinion. If you say they haven't been bleeding money, well, I don't know what to tell you except that you're lying to yourself:

Revenue at Disney's parks, experiences and products segment fell 53% to $3.58 billion. Disney has reported similar losses in each of its last three earnings. In the fourth quarter, the company said the coronavirus outbreak cost it around $2.4 billion in lost operating income during its most recent period. - Feb 11, 2021
Source - https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/11/coronavirus-hurt-theme-parks-costing-disney-2point6-billion.html

I also don't think the "people who matter" think this needs to happen either (at WDW), at least not all of them. But who knows. The fact that guests are lined up every day shows that the average guest doesn't care. No mass boycotts, no mass uproar.

You said "bleeding money." What did you mean by that. The analogy implies dying, because that's what happens when you bleed out. The use of that phrase applied to finances is to indicate that they're in deficit spending, which the last quarterly reports shows they are not.

 

[peter11435]

You both are wrong. They have been hurt financial in a hugely significant way. Numbers don't lie, this is not my opinion. If you say they haven't been bleeding money, well, I don't know what to tell you except that you're lying to yourself:

Revenue at Disney's parks, experiences and products segment fell 53% to $3.58 billion. Disney has reported similar losses in each of its last three earnings. In the fourth quarter, the company said the coronavirus outbreak cost it around $2.4 billion in lost operating income during its most recent period. - Feb 11, 2021
Source - https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/11/coronavirus-hurt-theme-parks-costing-disney-2point6-billion.html

I also don't think the "people who matter" think this needs to happen either (at WDW), at least not all of them. But who knows. The fact that guests are lined up every day shows that the average guest doesn't care. No mass boycotts, no mass uproar.

That’s nearly a year old.

There’s a huge difference between not making as much money and bleeding money.

I’m not lying to myself. I have a very good understanding of the companies finances.

And yes, the “people who matter” think this needs to happen. They are the ones who set this in motion in the first place

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

I don't think it's entirely that.

Some people just don't have faith that Disney will build something even remotely comparable in overall quality and so they're wary about a chance. I'm among that group -- I think Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah is one of Disney's absolute best songs, but outside of that, there's no real loss from changing the IP and I don't care about that aspect of it. I just don't want it to become a lesser ride, and I think that's what we are likely to get.

Regardless, it's definitely happening.

Chapek’s Disney? I wouldn’t put it past them to literally just repaint the animatronics and put in a new song and make no other changes whatsoever. Why does Dr. Facilier look like a bear and why does Tiana have a bunny ear hat on? Well, you see, that’s part of our new great story!

 

[celluloid]

That’s nearly a year old.

There’s a huge difference between not making as much money and bleeding money.

I’m not lying to myself. I have a very good understanding of the companies finances.

And yes, the “people who matter” think this needs to happen. They are the ones who set this in motion in the first place

So many at the top feel that it needs to happen, they are cashing in on the major attraction's Lightning Lane and characters.

 

[peter11435]

So many at the top feel that it needs to happen, they are cashing in on the major attraction's Lightning Lane and characters.

Are you suggesting that they shouldn’t have included it in Genie+?

 

[EricsBiscuit]

If the topic of Splash Mountain brings up this much discord on racism then there is obviously a race related problem with the attraction.

No, there was no race related issue with the attraction. The woke management at Disney created a problem where none existed. It is not a racist attraction.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Unrelated but related:

I found a vintage Disney storybook from 1962 in Goodwill today, and found the below story. It's really interesting to see, if not also very cringe (my opinion). View attachment 602610View attachment 602611View attachment 602612View attachment 602613View attachment 602614View attachment 602615

These stories exist outside of the context of Harris, and are African/ Black American and Native oral literature and sacred stories. Yes, even the above one. There are dozens, practically hundreds of pieces of scholarship written by Black and Native authors that go over this. Naturally things that are over a hundred years old, let alone time in millenia don't age well. The Harris versions come out of the era of Ishi and the Human Zoos, because American anthropology is rooted in "preservation" and eugenics. Now BIPOC can't even bring it up without some exhausting NOT Like Other Girls reminding the whole world that it's "racist" ...as if we aren't keenly aware of its misuse.

Regardless, the dialect in the Harris version doesn't exist in the rides, no matter how much people want it to. Since Splash Mountain (especially the California version) is based on the unused Catfish Bend ideas, they're supposed to be like the country folk in the Rescuers.

But, you know, people want what they want and nevermind what real life consequences are. That's what kills me.

 

[lightningtap347]

These stories exist outside of the context of Harris, and are African/ Black American and Native oral literature and sacred stories. Yes, even the above one. There are dozens, practically hundreds of pieces of scholarship written by Black and Native authors that go over this. Naturally things that are over a hundred years old, let alone time in millenia don't age well. The Harris versions come out of the era of Ishi and the Human Zoos, because American anthropology is rooted in "preservation" and eugenics. Now BIPOC can't even bring it up without some exhausting NOT Like Other Girls reminding the whole world that it's "racist" ...as if we aren't keenly aware of its misuse. Some people used the Disney version during the residential school era to retain the stories, but how do you explain that to people who know everything? Regardless, the dialect in the Harris version doesn't exist in the rides, no matter how much people want it to. Since Splash Mountain (especially the California version) is based on the unused Catfish Bend ideas, they're supposed to be like the country folk in the Rescuers.

But, you know, people want what they want and nevermind what real life consequences are. That's what kills me.

Again, I just thought it was interesting to see, as I have never seen the story before. The dialect is cringe, but as you explained, isn't in the ride.

I'm not sure why it was deleted, it seemed pertinent to the topic. Definitely more related than many of the posts on this thread.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Again, I just thought it was interesting to see, as I have never seen the story before. The dialect is cringe, but as you explained, isn't in the ride.

I'm not sure why it was deleted, it seemed pertinent to the topic. Definitely more related than many of the posts on this thread.

I was just providing some more context for your post, but I definitely agree, it was related.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Are you suggesting that they shouldn’t have included it in Genie+?

I am....honestly baffled that it's part of Genie Plus. They can't make up their minds if it exists or not.