Splash Mountain am I right?
What kind of logic is that?
I haven’t been following the thread, but I can understand the issues with trying to further diversity by ensuring that minorities have different (separate) but even better (or at least equal) stories, rides, etc. I’m not sure any minorities are insulted by efforts to include them.I know it’s fun to call each other racist and all, but it’s very disheartening.
I feel like it’s so hard to have these conversations with the opposing point of view without it devolving into name calling.
I wish I was better with words to describe why this whole inclusivity thing is aggravating for me.
It’s something like this:
I welcome diversity in original ideas. That gives so many exciting and interesting opportunities for story telling.
What I don’t like - Here is a traditionally white character and we are going to race swap them.
Why don’t I like it?
Well it feels cheap. It feels like the message is “Your not worth putting in the effort for.”
It honestly makes me feel embarrassed.
Then there has to be this whole media push for how inclusive they are in this project that feels forced.
I don’t know maybe feeling that minorities deserve better makes me racist, who the heck knows anymore.
I'm a very progressive left leaning person myself. I don't like the term "woke" and have never used it, but it WAS invented by the progressive side. I've found that it was/is generally used by wealthy white liberals. The right also uses it now as an all-encompassing insult, but it doesn't belong to any one side (it just has a different meaning for each side).I've read the conversation, thanks. I've also read past arguments involving the person you're saying Buford called racist. He uses the term "woke"...which is a term used by people who want to keep the status quo and who don't care about anything being remotely inclusive. THAT is where I think the issue lies. People who DO care about inclusion generally don't use that term because they don't see attempts at being inclusive as a negative. Yes, it can be done badly...but to automatically term something as "woke" after only having seen a trailer indicates distaste that an attempt was even made to begin with.
There is a serious racism issue in this country (and honestly the world as a whole). And that's why i align with the left side of politics. But it is also true that there are people who are so engrossed in the topic of racism that they see it in things that simply don't have it. One famous example that comes to mind was when Sarah Silverman claimed on twitter that she found swastikas painted on a sidewalk, they were clearly not that and were in fact painted marks by construction workers. Splash Mountain is a perfect example of aggressively sensitive people trying to find issues where there simply aren't any.
The one, single time I've heard "woke" used when it wasn't intended to be an insult was in a comedy special. I realize I'm just a person in the northeast of the US, but I know a lot of people in many different parts of the US and abroad, and I really think the term has been co-opted for longer than it wasn't.I'm a very progressive left leaning person myself. I don't like the term "woke" and have never used it, but it WAS invented by the progressive side. I've found that it was/is generally used by wealthy white liberals. The right also uses it now as an all-encompassing insult, but it doesn't belong to any one side (it just has a different meaning for each side).
I didn't spot any posts saying diversity was a problem, unless they were deleted. It was immediately specified in the next couple of posts that diversity was NOT an issue. I saw people saying "wokeness" was a problem, which has a variety of meanings depending on who you talk to. The issue again is when diversity is exploited in a cynical soulless corporate way and is used as an excuse to put out subpar product after subpar product. And then furthermore when the creators weaponize shame and insults to try and force people to like it.To be clear, the scenario you describe is very different from what played out here today. The post that sparked this particular discussion declared the film in question to be bad because of its supposed “wokeness”. The issue of race wasn’t imposed on what he said; he himself raised it.
It’s happening. They didn’t mention it because they don’t have anything new they are ready to announce or show yet.I wonder why they didn't mention the retheme during D23???
Hmmm. Oh yeah that's right, because it likely isn't happening in WDW. This solidifies my opinion on that.
It’s happening. They didn’t mention it because they don’t have anything new they are ready to announce or show yet.
The original Disney press release states that changes to the attraction were very much needed:We'll see. Huge expense, not needed, would shut down a headliner attraction for at least 2 years.
Not a lot going for it actually happening in WDW, but we'll see.
I lump this in with all the other cancelled / greatly reduced projects over the past 5-10 years.
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