Zootopia at Animal Kingdom?

[SirLink]

If you accept that the basic theme of Animal kingdom revolves around man and the natural world then zootopia would not fit.

The dedication:

Welcome to a kingdom of animals... real, ancient and imagined: a kingdom ruled by lions, dinosaurs and dragons; a kingdom of balance, harmony and survival; a kingdom we enter to share in the wonder, gaze at the beauty, thrill at the drama, and learn."

For the sake of balance let me suit interpret for them why Zootopia is a 'good' idea - it is a kingdom of animals that live in balance, harmony and survival. And we will thrill at the drama[on the E ticket] in their universe.

Plus if thematic integrity was so important to Bob et al ... then we wouldn't have Frozen in Norway, Rat in France or Nemo in living seas.

There is still a long way to go between now and it being built namely some other content before they commit dollars to steel and concrete. Its more blue sky than any of the projects being discussed.

 

[peter11435]

The dedication:


For the sake of balance let me suit interpret for them why Zootopia is a 'good' idea - it is a kingdom of animals that live in balance, harmony and survival. And we will thrill at the drama[on the E ticket] in their universe.

Plus if thematic integrity was so important to Bob et al ... then we wouldn't have Frozen in Norway, Rat in France or Nemo in living seas.

There is still a long way to go between now and it being built namely some other content before they commit dollars to steel and concrete. Its more blue sky than any of the projects being discussed.

I'm not saying that zootopia will never come to DAK and I'm certainly not saying that Bob or the company cares about thematic integrity. I'm saying that Zootopia does not fit the park. And for a park that has almost entirely stayed true to its mission and thematic continuity, this would be very unfortunate.

 

[Tavernacle12]

Where did you get that date? The only thing I can find on the internet is that the creators would like to do a Z2, but it hasn't started and there's no release date. But there are plenty of clickbait articles which mention a release date for Z2.

Yeah, there's no official announcement for Zootopia 2 yet, and I doubt any work would be started until after Ralph 2 releases at the earliest.

On topic, I'm not opposed to Zootopia in AK so long as it's done well. I'd prefer there be some sort of buffer between it and the more natural segments of the park, but I don't see it being any less belonging than Camp Minnie Mickey or Pandora. It would also be an interesting way to showcase the roles of animals in our cultural storytelling traditions.

 

[SirLink]

I'm not saying that zootopia will never come to DAK and I'm certainly not saying that Bob or the company cares about thematic integrity. I'm saying that Zootopia does not fit the park. And for a park that has almost entirely stayed true to its mission and thematic continuity, this would be very unfortunate.

No I'm saying its very much blue. It would still fit with the dedication message as I posted earlier as well with the park.

 

[Timothy_Q]

.Plus if thematic integrity was so important to Bob et al ... then we wouldn't have Frozen in Norway, Rat in France or Nemo in living seas.

So you're saying we should turn AK into the same thematic mess that Epcot is in by building zootopia.

 

[SirLink]

So you're saying we should turn AK into the same thematic mess that Epcot is in by building zootopia.

Well little bit different scopes if we break down Zootopia in the context of Animal Kingdoms dedication:

• Welcome to a kingdom of animals - so Zootopia features Animals OK lets continue
  
• ... real, ancient and imagined: - well they are imagined based on real animals and traits!
  
• a kingdom ruled by lions, dinosaurs and dragons; - The mayor of the town was lion - I watched it on a plane so might be an Ape? But heyho we are half way through and it seemingly still fits
  
• a kingdom of balance, harmony and survival; - wasn't the plot something about the animals evolved so that the society as balance and harmony. Erm its ticked the suits its fits in the dedication.
  
• a kingdom we enter to share in the wonder, gaze at the beauty, thrill at the drama, and learn. - Oh no, oh wait we can gaze at the beauty and share in the wonder of how the city was placed together. And guests will thrill at the drama on the rides.

It seems to tick of the nods of the dedication. Epcot is literally a thematic mess because of none of the attractions "instill a new sense of belief and pride in man's ability to shape a world that offers hope to people everywhere." Again the dedication is the mission statement for the park.

 

[peter11435]

No I'm saying its very much blue. It would still fit with the dedication message as I posted earlier as well with the park.

I know what you were saying, and I'm disagreeing with you.

You're basing it fiting on the parks relatively vague dedication plaque. Yes based purely on this interpretation of the dedication speech the idea fits. But the theme of the park and its mission are much deeper than the words on that plaque. Zootopia does not fit with the theme of the park.

And for the record the park has a mission statement and no it is not the same as the dedication.

 

[SirLink]

I know what you were saying, and I'm disagreeing with you.

You're basing it fiting on the parks relatively vague dedication plaque. Yes based purely on this interpretation of the dedication speech the idea fits. But the theme of the park and its mission are much deeper than the words on that plaque. Zootopia does not fit with the theme of the park.

And for the record the park has a mission statement and no it is not the same as the dedication.

By mission statement do you mean the conservation one? If not that one, then as it isn't public facing I don't doubt that the suits care either. Not everything has to have the conservation message either ya know.

 

[peter11435]

By mission statement do you mean the conservation one? If not that one, then as it isn't public facing I don't doubt that the suits care either. Not everything has to have the conservation message either ya know.

Clearly you don't understand the theme of the park. That's fine I'm sure most guests don't. But those of us who do would prefer the park stay true to its theme as it has for the last 19 years.

Honestly, Zootopia does not fit at dak any more than frozen fits at Epcot.

 

[Timothy_Q]

Well little bit different scopes if we break down Zootopia in the context of Animal Kingdoms dedication:

• Welcome to a kingdom of animals - so Zootopia features Animals OK lets continue
  
• ... real, ancient and imagined: - well they are imagined based on real animals and traits!
  
• a kingdom ruled by lions, dinosaurs and dragons; - The mayor of the town was lion - I watched it on a plane so might be an Ape? But heyho we are half way through and it seemingly still fits
  
• a kingdom of balance, harmony and survival; - wasn't the plot something about the animals evolved so that the society as balance and harmony. Erm its ticked the suits its fits in the dedication.
  
• a kingdom we enter to share in the wonder, gaze at the beauty, thrill at the drama, and learn. - Oh no, oh wait we can gaze at the beauty and share in the wonder of how the city was placed together. And guests will thrill at the drama on the rides.

It seems to tick of the nods of the dedication. Epcot is literally a thematic mess because of none of the attractions "instill a new sense of belief and pride in man's ability to shape a world that offers hope to people everywhere." Again the dedication is the mission statement for the park.

The zootopia animals represent humans, which many people have already stated.

AK is about the relatonship bewteen humans and nature.
Zootopia is about the relationship between humans and humans.

 

[SirLink]

Clearly you don't understand the theme of the park. That's fine I'm sure most guests don't. But those of us who do would prefer the park stay true to its theme as it has for the last 19 years.

Honestly, Zootopia does not fit at dak any more than frozen fits at Epcot.

I do. The whole relationship between humanity and nature doesn't fly when one of the original components was Beastly Kingdomme - and would not have fit in with the sub theme.

 

[peter11435]

I do. The whole relationship between humanity and nature doesn't fly when one of the original components was Beastly Kingdomme - and would not have fit in with the sub theme.

Beastly Kinddomme was cut from the initial build years before the park opened and then cut entirely. None of us know exactly how the land would have been developed. The relationship between humans and the natural world definitely could have fit with beastly kingdomme if they desired it to. Much like the yeti at expedition Everest. The creatures that would have lived in the kingdomme would have been creations in the minds of humans where they coexisted in a world with humans. There are several ways to go at that theme.

Humans don't exist in zootopia. But the film is not about animals it's about humans. Animals don't drive cars, scoop ice cream, run for mayor, or solve crimes. The film uses animals (stereotypically) to play the part of humans. The film is not about actual animal relationships, or animal habitats or anything else that would make it a good fit for animal kingdom. It's about humans.

 

[SirLink]

Beastly Kinddomme was cut from the initial build years before the park opened and then cut entirely. None of us know exactly how the land would have been developed. The relationship between humans and the natural world definitely could have fit with beastly kingdomme if they desired it to. Much like the yeti at expedition Everest. The creatures that would have lived in the kingdomme would have been creations in the minds of humans where they coexisted in a world with humans. There are several ways to go at that theme.

Humans don't exist in zootopia. But the film is not about animals it's about humans. Animals don't drive cars, scoop ice cream, run for mayor, or solve crimes. The film uses animals (stereotypically) to play the part of humans. The film is not about actual animal relationships, or animal habitats or anything else that would make it a good fit for animal kingdom.

We do from concept documents that have been leaked - the first was a fantasia boat ride, which was to go past scenes. The other Dragons Tower featured talking bats guiding you through a tower to steal gold from a Dragon. And the final was a maze with the unicorn at the centre hidden in its grotto.

If you want to be nitpicking the following has no place in DAK because of a theme which Joe Rhode doesn't adhere to: FOTLK, ITTBAB and Nemo the Musical. None of which feature humanity's place all feature creatures taking the place of humans.

 

[Timothy_Q]

I do. The whole relationship between humanity and nature doesn't fly when one of the original components was Beastly Kingdomme - and would not have fit in with the sub theme.

"real, ancient and imagined"

You just posted this and you already forgot about it?

Africa and Asia - humans and real animals
Dinoland - humans and ancient animals
Pandora and Beastly Kingdom - humans and imagined animals

Zootopia - humans and humans

 

[SirLink]

"real, ancient and imagined"

You just posted this and you already forgot about it?

Africa and Asia - humans and real animals
Dinoland - humans and ancient animals
Pandora and Beastly Kingdom - humans and imagined animals

Zootopia - humans and humans

Humanity and nature that is sub theme of Animal Kingdom if we suppose that its the main theme the whole park starts to break down.

Africa and Asia - work bar TFOLK as they are literally animals acting as humans
Dinoland - conservation of fossils of nature
Pandora - if you squint hard enough
Beastly Kingdomme - nope.

Zootopia - animals that have evolved past being predators living in a world they created. Evolution is something that should be represented in DAK. Zootopia is an easy way to get that concept across.

 

[peter11435]

We do from concept documents that have been leaked - the first was a fantasia boat ride, which was to go past scenes. The other Dragons Tower featured talking bats guiding you through a tower to steal gold from a Dragon. And the final was a maze with the unicorn at the centre hidden in its grotto.

If you want to be nitpicking the following has no place in DAK because of a theme which Joe Rhode doesn't adhere to: FOTLK, ITTBAB and Nemo the Musical. None of which feature humanity's place all feature creatures taking the place of humans.

I am aware of the attractions proposed for Beastly Kingdomme. However concept art and vague descriptions do not tell you what the theme of the attraction/land may or may not have been. And again the land was cut years before the park was built and the theme of the park likely evolved between that time and the parks opening. We can only go by what the theme is and has stayed true to for the two decades since.

As to your point about those attractions. Wrong. Humans exist in the world of Finding Nemo and they exist in Finding Nemo the musical, they are the main antagonistic in both and are the catalyst for the story. A human is the one that took Nemo from the ocean. And if you listen to Hopper the next time you see ITTBAB, he will tell you all about how humans are why "it's tough to be a bug" and the show ends by showing how much we humans depend on insects for our survival.

 

[Timothy_Q]

Humanity and nature that is sub theme of Animal Kingdom if we suppose that its the main theme the whole park starts to break down.

Yes I agree 100%. No park can maintain itself 100% on theme everywhere. But that's not a reason to just throw the original theme out the window. That's what happened to Epcot.

AK may not fit entirely into its own theme, but it still mostly does.

And I agree about Lion King. It doesn't really fit. That's why it shouldn't have its own land in AK. Same thing people are saying about Zootopia.

One mistake doesn't excuse another one.

 

[SirLink]

Yes I agree 100%. No park can maintain itself 100% on theme everywhere. But that's not a reason to just throw the original theme out the window. That's what happened to Epcot.

AK may not fit entirely into its own theme, but it still mostly does.

And I agree about Lion King. It doesn't really fit. That's why it shouldn't have its own land in AK. Same thing people are saying about Zootopia.

One mistake doesn't excuse another one.

Like I said earlier I doubt Joe Rhode doesn't care as long as he is being the celebrity imagineer that he is. But again they are long term blue proposals. Similar to Frozen it was either being built in Epcot or not at all.

 

[peter11435]

Humanity and nature that is sub theme of Animal Kingdom if we suppose that its the main theme the whole park starts to break down.

It really doesn't break down at all.

Africa and Asia - work bar TFOLK as they are literally animals acting as humans
Dinoland - conservation of fossils of nature
Pandora - if you squint hard enough
Beastly Kingdomme - nope.

FOLK features both animals and humans, the characters from the film, and a human band of singers that put on a tribal celebration that revolves around all of us (animal and human) existing in the circle of life.

Dinoland should be obvious how humans have contributed to our knowledge and understanding of long extinct creatures.

Pandora is very clear.

We never saw Beastly Kingdomme so can't say how the land would have been portrayed but it certainly could have been done.

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Zootopia - animals that have evolved past being predators living in a world they created. Evolution is something that should be represented in DAK. Zootopia is an easy way to get that concept across.

Zootopia is not about animals who have evolved. It's a movie about humans set in a world of animals.

 

[SirLink]

It really doesn't break down at all.



FOLK features both animals and humans, the characters from the film, and a human band of singers that put on a tribal celebration that revolves around all of us (animal and human) existing in the circle of life.

Dinoland should be obvious how humans have contributed to our knowledge and understanding of long extinct creatures.

Pandora is very clear.

We never saw Beastly Kingdomme so can't say how the land would have been portrayed but it certainly could have been done.



Zootopia is not about animals who have evolved. It's a movie about humans set in a world of animals.

It states it quite clearly in the film that there were predators and that they evolved out of the from that. Again I watched it once on a plane ride to a conference. Clearly the creative director for the park doesn't have issues fro the park otherwise it would not be blue of any kind for DAK and would be getting pursued at other parks ... maybe that is the hint you require?