peter11435
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If you accept that the basic theme of Animal kingdom revolves around man and the natural world then zootopia would not fit.
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Zootopia at Animal Kingdom?
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tl77
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I think the basic theme of Animal Kingdom is Animals, at least that's how the average guest is going to see it, but Zootopia is done in the tradition of Aesop's Fables, like the "Tortoise and the Hare", where animal characteristics are merged with aspects of human nature to teach some kind of moral... and that's also the reason I think it won the Oscar
But there's no reason why future Zootopia sequels couldn't delve into themes about "conservation" ect... and have more direct tie into what Animal Kingdom is about, but this film and this park are being connected by the company not only made the movie but also owns the park, so you may want to consider accepting that basic theme, because the people who made the movie, went to the park in the process of making the movie
peter11435
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That may be how the general public sees the park, but the parks theme is deeper than that and zootopia does not fit that theme.
The people who made the movie went to the park because they wanted to study the animals they were animating, not because they were making a film who's message was the same as that of the park.
Bairstow
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Not only that, but the biggest difference between Animal Kingdom and every other park at Disney World, or Florida in general, is that it the aesthetic of the park maintains a near-perfect tone of realistic hyper-reality. As opposed to say, the Magic Kingdom, where you have a Georgia mountain full of antebellum singing half-animal creatures next door to a late-1800s western mining railway in the same "land," every ride, restaurant, and shop in the Animal Kingdom is in perfect harmony with the themed reality of its area and requires minimal suspension of disbelief. To that end, every attraction vehicle also exists as it should be- the vehicles for the safari are safari trucks and the raft expedition company at Kali sure enough puts you on a raft. Again, as opposed to the Magic Kingom, where there's a massive unbroken chain of bubble-shaped benches moving through the Haunted Mansion because....? In this way, every area in the Animal Kingdom off of the hub is one that does, or could exist in our world. Pandora is far from a perfect fit, but at least it's a live-action science fiction universe with its own non-magical logic and not, say, Treasure Planet, or even Star Wars.
The only possible exceptions are Theater in the Wild, which is either totally unthemed and/or part of Dinoland, and It's Tough to be a Bug, which is nestled so far inside a maze of walkways that it doesn't "taint" the area around it with its cartoony-ness. Same deal for Rafiki's Planet Watch, which is so far removed from the "real" part of Africa that you can't even get there on foot.
I'm not saying one approach is better than the other, but the fact that Animal Kingdom had such a successful run of adhering to its own themed realities that it would be a shame to break it now.
So as we've discussed, Zootopia is an obvious fit because, uh, animals? but an absolutely terrible fit for every other possible reason.
There is only one word to describe the appropriate future for Disney's Animal Kingdom:
Timothy_Q
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And that's why "the avarage guest" isn't in charge of designing theme parks. Because there's more to it than meets the eye. Like any other profession, if you want a great result, you don't use the lowest common denominator as your standard.
2351metalcloud
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How do you know that's 'the theme' of Animal Kingdom and why more specifically wouldn't aspects of a film that draws comparisons between relationships in human civilization and relationships among animals in ecosystems fit in any place at all while abiding by this theme of 'man and the natural world'?
"Welcome to a kingdom of animals... real, ancient and imagined: a kingdom ruled by lions, dinosaurs and dragons; a kingdom of balance, harmony and survival; a kingdom we enter to share in the wonder, gaze at the beauty, thrill at the drama, and learn."
— Michael D. Eisner, April 22, 1998
Why is it okay to put imaginary creatures in the park like the Yeti even though the park didn't open with imaginary creatures in it and there has historically been very few of them throughout most of the park? Is it okay just because Eisner said something about imaginary creatures in the park at the opening ceremony or for some other reason?
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This makes me wonder how suitable for building construction some of the land where the animals are roaming is. I wonder if the animals were set up to roam around there because it's relatively expensive to build things on the land where they are. If that was so, then that reason and competing with Busch Gardens and SeaWorld might have been part of the appeal of putting those animals there and constructing the park. I haven't been able to find a map that shows the suitability of construction on the Animal Kingdom land. I've only seen maps for the areas around the already constructed parks. Does anyone know if there are any maps that show the suitablity of the Animal Kingdom park?
You wouldn't necessarily see many or any non-human animals dressed like that at an attraction if part of the attraction is for the human guests to imagine that they themselves are anthropomorphic non-human animals that are in Zootopia or a world like Zootopia.
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No Name
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Just to be clear, even though I'm very much against a Zootopia land in DAK, I think it's a great movie!
It's just not a movie about animals or conservation or nature. It's a movie that uses animals as an analogy for human social injustice and predjudice. In my opinion, it would fit better in any of the other three parks than it would in DAK.
It's just not a movie about animals or conservation or nature. It's a movie that uses animals as an analogy for human social injustice and predjudice. In my opinion, it would fit better in any of the other three parks than it would in DAK.
brb1006
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Remember when DHS used to make parades based on the latest popular or newest Disney and Pixar film? I wish they still did daily parades because I would had loved to see a Zootopia parade just like the Toy Story Parade from 1995 - 1997.
peter11435
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Because that is the overarching theme of the park, just ask Joe Rohde.
Zootopia is not really a film about animals at all. It's a film about humans and human relationships that uses animals to tell the story in order to make it more palatable for modern audiences.
doctornick
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als? but an absolutely terrible fit for every other possible reason.
There is only one word to describe the appropriate future for Disney's Animal Kingdom:
South America would be plenty fine as well.
doctornick
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I'm firmly on the side of Zootopia being an awful fit for DAK and hope it doesn't happen. I love the movie, it was fantastic, but it is all wrong for DAK. If they wanted to put it in the parks, then DHS would be a much better option. Heck, I even think as it's own land in MK would make more sense than DAK.
There's a ton of Disney IPs that would make more sense in DAK than Zootopia.... Bambi, Jungle Book, Tarzan, Pocahontas, The Rescuers, some parts of Fantasia, Up, Lady and the Tramp, Fox and the Hound, Aristocats, etc. One could make a nice land in DAK based on these animal IPs if desired (I've long proposed a "Critter Country" with some dark rides that could help to flesh out the park).
There's a ton of Disney IPs that would make more sense in DAK than Zootopia.... Bambi, Jungle Book, Tarzan, Pocahontas, The Rescuers, some parts of Fantasia, Up, Lady and the Tramp, Fox and the Hound, Aristocats, etc. One could make a nice land in DAK based on these animal IPs if desired (I've long proposed a "Critter Country" with some dark rides that could help to flesh out the park).
Well, then, maybe Disney can buy the rights to Animal Farm and make a land based off of that!
SweetDuffy101
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I think Zootopia Fits the Animal Kingdom Park, It's fresh scenery for AK, Zootopia Has more Story to tell and there's a sequel in 2020 and things can change in times, and besides even if Zootopia Theme Land Comes it won't be ready as soon as 2022 or later, Since the sequel has just began production .
Personally I would really like For Beastly Kingdom to be in AK, i don't care if it lacks IP or what not, The land fits Perfectly in AK. heck it was made for it and Got Canned, But that doesn't mean that the Land is dead yet, We may sea it in Other parks in shanghai, Tokyo, Hongkong or Paris.
I'm 97% sure it won't be announced at this years D23.
Personally I would really like For Beastly Kingdom to be in AK, i don't care if it lacks IP or what not, The land fits Perfectly in AK. heck it was made for it and Got Canned, But that doesn't mean that the Land is dead yet, We may sea it in Other parks in shanghai, Tokyo, Hongkong or Paris.
I'm 97% sure it won't be announced at this years D23.
NoChesterHester
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We just got Pandora in Animal Kingdom. The park needs to fix Dinoland and needs to replace its nighttime show far more than it needs another area right now.
We really need them to focus and spend money on the park that needs it the most, Epcot. I for one will be a little upset if this is announced at D23 and it pulls resources away from more immediate needs.
We really need them to focus and spend money on the park that needs it the most, Epcot. I for one will be a little upset if this is announced at D23 and it pulls resources away from more immediate needs.
Where did you get that date? The only thing I can find on the internet is that the creators would like to do a Z2, but it hasn't started and there's no release date. But there are plenty of clickbait articles which mention a release date for Z2.
doctornick
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Yes, a thousand times this. Logistically, if DAK wanted to go with some major daytime entertainment, I think a "parade" of boats on the water would be the better option over a parade that clogs up the guest paths.
But DHA getting a daytime parade should be an entertainment priority over anything at DAK.
MotherOfBirds
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Beastly Kingdomme is dead. I'd fall over if that concept got revived. At this point, it would make more sense to have lands based on Australia or SA and incorporate mythical beast-based attractions into them. Africa has all kinds of nifty folklore that could make for a fun attraction.
Brer Oswald
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Would I be upset if they made a Zootopia land in AK? No. Would I prefer an Australia land, or Sputh America land? Heck yeah! If they want to use IP, the best alternative is a Jungle Book makeover and extension for Kali River Rappids.