BlakeW39
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Because edutainment doesn't fit the theme of tranformation through adventure in DAK. The ride, Living with the Land, as is, would not fit the themes of Animal Kingdom. Again, DAK is more than just nature.
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Because edutainment doesn't fit the theme of tranformation through adventure in DAK. The ride, Living with the Land, as is, would not fit the themes of Animal Kingdom. Again, DAK is more than just nature.
Phicinfan
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it is amazing to me that some here lock into only one definition of a park rather than the whole direction. An example being what was said above about conservation and protecting nature and the world. Not everything has to fit in your very narrow box. You can enhance if you like.
BlakeW39
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You can enhance the park in ways that are consistent with its tone, themes, and subject matter. The themes of DAK are more complex than just conservation and 'protecting nature and the world.' Transformation through adventure is just as integral thematically to DAK as the intrinsic value of nature is. You can't choose to abide by the parks themes in one area, but ignore them in another, just to make an EPCOT dark ride fit into Animal Kingdom. When it really doesn't. It would feel quite out of place and inconsistent with how the rest of the park approaches storytelling
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Phicinfan
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I understand your point, and concede most of DAK may fit that, but I don't agree all does. I also have not said you put the whole living with the land into the park. I merely stated that the aspect behind living with the land could be used as an enhancement to some of the areas already in existence to further the OTHER aspect of DAK which is conservation and Nature. I would add how is Dinoland fitting with that theme today? Friends with Nemo as well?
Disgruntled Walt
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With Joe Rohde gone, the chances of non-IP attractions or non-IP lands being added to Animal Kingdom are basically zero. I mean, Avatar was done well, but that was only with Rohde's involvement. It's sad, but I'm bracing for Animal Kingdom to become "IPs-that-have-animals-involved-somewhere Kingdom."
I will post till I'm blue in the face: Beastly Kingdom would be amazing. If they announced that Beastly Kingdom was being added to Animal Kingdom, I think my faith in Disney would actually be restored. So Disney, if you're monitoring this forum, take note.
I will post till I'm blue in the face: Beastly Kingdom would be amazing. If they announced that Beastly Kingdom was being added to Animal Kingdom, I think my faith in Disney would actually be restored. So Disney, if you're monitoring this forum, take note.
BlakeW39
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Keep in mind man, this isn't me saying this. I'm quoting the creator of DAK word for word. His claim was that there are three underlying predicates which unite all of Disney's Animal Kingdom: the intrinsic value of nature, psychological transformation through adventure, and a personal call to action. Personally, I cannot see how Living with the Land would fit in Animal Kingdom. Joe Rohde has mentioned on a couple of occasions that guests are supposed to be part of the stories in Animal Kingdom. Not just an audience listening to edutainment. The stories in DAK are 'our' adventures. So the format of Living with the Land would need to be changed in order for it to fit in DAK. Agriculture also isn't a subject that fits into DAK. It's man made and man created. I could go on. Point is, what aspects of EPCOT do you think could go be put into DAK to 'enhance' it? Sure there is some overlap, both parks have experiences surrounding nature and even animals, but I'm not sure the similarities go much past that. EPCOT and Animal Kingdom approach the concepts of nature and animals very differently.
Phicinfan
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Two bolded statements exactly why Living with the land fit. I don't see how you miss that.
Tell you what, we can throw in a feeding farm animals area to it to make you feel better if you like.
A personal call to action is the farming work and things being done with living with the land by the by, just in case you missed it. I would also say I did not say drop the entire pavilion in.
BlakeW39
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?? For something to fit in Animal Kingdom it has to match all three of those themes, not just one or two. So if it can't fit into the framework of transformation through adventure (which is a pretty easy thing to do) then it isn't thematically appropriate for Animal Kingdom. Also, agriculture doesn't fit DAK either, as it represents the will of man, order, and control. DAK is about the power of nature, disorder, and unpredictability. Again Joe Rohde has posted on this on IG.
Phicinfan
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According to whom? And please show me how dinoland fit all of those. I am waiting patiently
FigmentFan82
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If Disney wants to put something in AK, they will, no matter what it is. This delusion that if something doesn't fit the AK rules it will never happen is ridiculous.
Disgruntled Walt
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Hasn't Epcot demonstrated that NOTHING actually matters anymore in terms of thematic integrity?
CaptainAmerica
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Thematic integrity isn't about rules, it's about atmosphere and feeling.
Does Frozen technically belong in Norway? No, because Arendelle isn't Norway. But Arendelle feels Norway-ish, and that's what matters. Guardians of the Galaxy feels spacey and technology-ish. Dinoland (and Zootopia) don't feel nature-y.
cjkeating
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I was enjoying this thread until it turned into "will it won't it" fit in Animal Kingdom. I honestly don't think anyone on either side of the fence is going to be persuaded to move from one side to another.
Can someone please make a note to message me when there are new rumours or news?
Can someone please make a note to message me when there are new rumours or news?
BubbaisSleep
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I heard a rumor that they are now going to make a land based off of the guinea pigs from the movie G-Force.Can someone please make a note to message me when there are new rumours or news?
BlakeW39
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According to Joe Rohde. It was posted in a screenshot a few pages back, but he has indicated a couple of times that those three themes are what unite all of Animal Kingdom as a park. And if something doesn't lean in to those themes, then it doesn't fit into the framework of Animal Kingdom and therefore creates thematic inconsistencies.
And yes, Dinoland does play on those three themes. Intrinsic value of nature— the reverence humankind has for dinosaurs, which eventually results in their commodification through Chester and Hester as well as attempts to see them again via the Dino Institute. Transformation through adventure— by exploring Dinoland themselves, seeing the commodification but also the dinosaurs themselves, the guest is changed in some way, such as "wow, I wish I could see a dinosaur." And finally a personal call to action: dinosaurs, both in the cheesy commercialization found at C&H and prehistoric adventure found at DINOSAUR, serve as a warning; if we don't protect living creatures, the same thing that happened to dinosaurs will happen to lions and elephants and sharks.
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BlakeW39
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That isn't a delusion anyone has. We aren't debating whether Disney will stick to the themes of DAK. We're arguing if they should. Obviously Disney could care less about the thematic direction of its parks right now, but that doesn't mean we have to agree with that or that we need to stop talking about it. Nor does it mean that you need to call us "delusional" for merely taking interest in the parks on a creative level.
Again. And I have said this in the past. The logistics of what Disney does with their parks is a separate discussion from the art of theme park design. I'm interested in discussing the latter. The former is more about which mediocre animated films have the best merchandise/streaming numbers, corporate politics, and quarterly revenue figures.
WDWFREAK53
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Does anybody think that they will ever build another land with actual animal exhibits? (Even if it's a walk-through attraction).
I'm just thinking of how much backstage room is required for the animals...
I'm just thinking of how much backstage room is required for the animals...
Andrew C
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I don't think so...but definitely update existing exhibits...
Phicinfan
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Joe Rhode is gone.
and No Dinoland doesn't, your opinion may be valid for you, but not for me. We can agree to disagree, but Joe isn't there anymore unfortunately, cause if he was we wouldn't even discuss Zootopia in AK.
yensidtlaw1969
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According to the park's designer?
I don't know what to tell you if you can't see how Dinoland demonstrates the intrinsic value of nature, psychological transformation through adventure, and a personal call to action. It's literally all there.