You Say You Want a Revolution

[bubbles1812]

Progress never comes from an echo chamber, especially one whos purpose is negative.

Did you miss the part where they said they would praise Disney when they actually did something to address the problems (because there are problems) which are there? Or did you just decide to ignore it? Also, if you didn't notice...in lebeau's original post, the purpose isn't to be negative.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Progress never comes from an echo chamber, especially one whos purpose is negative.

Which is why the good also needs to be reported... Just as I said, if an article about the poor shape of Fantasmic is written, in full detail about everything that is old, outdated, and does not work, the follow up needs to be written once those issues are corrected... Negativity gets nowhere... But balanced can get far...

 

[WED Purist]

Did you miss the part where they said they would praise Disney when they actually did something to address the problems (because there are problems) which are there? Or did you just decide to ignore it? Also, if you didn't notice...in lebeau's original post, the purpose isn't to be negative.

I read the original post. Then I read the follow up posts from the usual cast of characters. Do you honestly think that a blog based on "this is what's wrong" won't end up in a hate fest? Who exactly do you think that would draw as an audience? If you read the posts from the 'fix it' crowd, how often do you find praise? I'm no pixie-dust sniffer, believe me, but I don't dwell solely on what is wrong either. There seems to be a strict division between those two camps these days.

 

[Jimmy Thick]

Unfortunately, Iam reading this thread and people keep trying to make this new site more and more like WDWmagic, so if all your going to do is make another WDWmagic, your going to fail because WDWmagic is already online with established content and established posters.

If you make the new forum more adult themed with no language filter and allow flaming without being banned, you could have something, but if you take away a huge segment of posters, you better have top flight content to keep people coming back. If all your going to do is rehash stories from this site you may as well keep your domain monies in your wallet for a trip to Burger King and reminisce about what could have been while enjoying a smoothie.

Jimmy Thick- Strawberry banana is gooooooooood....

 

[Captain Chaos]

I read the original post. Then I read the follow up posts from the usual cast of characters. Do you honestly think that a blog based on "this is what's wrong" won't end up in a hate fest? Who exactly do you think that would draw as an audience? If you read the posts from the 'fix it' crowd, how often do you find praise? I'm no pixie-dust sniffer, believe me, but I don't dwell solely on what is wrong either. There seems to be a strict division between those two camps these days.

Trust me... if won't get into that...

 

[bubbles1812]

I read the original post. Then I read the follow up posts from the usual cast of characters. Do you honestly think that a blog based on "this is what's wrong" won't end up in a hate fest? Who exactly do you think that would draw as an audience? If you read the posts from the 'fix it' crowd, how often do you find praise? I'm no pixie-dust sniffer, believe me, but I don't dwell solely on what is wrong either. There seems to be a strict division between those two camps these days.

I'd agree that the two camps are very polarized right now but with some exceptions. And praise may be hard to come by but at least they seem willing to praise when Disney does address a problem. Heck, they can even report on positive things that aren't necessarily "Fix-its." I think lebeau and dxer seem pretty reasonable in their approach. They love Disney but want it to improve, same as me...I can and do give praise for the things I think Disney is doing well but at this point, I'm tired of seeing people just brush the problems under the table like it's ok that quality has slipped. It doesn't seem like they want to dwell solely and completely on what is wrong. I'd agree that just straight up hate fests gets no one anywhere.

 

[Pixiedustmaker]

Quite simply, no one cares that the pirate with the hats isn't wearing hats or the bumblebees aren't spinning on Splash Mountain. The sooner you realize your priorities/goals and the priorities/goals of the Walt Disney Company might be different . . .

The reality is that the parks are being touted as a significant source of revenue at a time when the films got a big hit (John Carter). It's not that Disney doesn't care, its that they are strategically silent on the issue, like many big corporations regarding customer dissent. I heard Kevin Yee say that they went as far as placing ads for "hired shills" to comment on message boards such as this one. They're not stupid, they lose a million guests to MK in a year and they've lost tens of millions in profits.

Families who are planning vacations to WDW are going online, and they probably read some of the disgruntled guests comments by accident. If you get even 10,000 families canceling because of what they've heard, then you've lost millions upon millions of dollars.

If WDW is so successful that they can just sit back and watch the money roll in, then you probably haven't noticed that stuff like Harry Potter has opened and that Disney spends millions advertising the parks and hundreds of millions on the FLE in an effort compete.

TDO might think the criticism will stop if they ignore guest complaints, but in reality its not that we hate TDO, or Disney, just that we don't like what we see.

 

[Captain Chaos]

And people, please disregard your misconceptions that this is to EMBARRASS TDO into doing something... It's not... it is, as lebeau said, a counter to the pixie dust mommy blogs what REFUSE to report when there are any issues at all with constant bad show... No one here is looking for any free hand outs to satisfy their fetish... Which is why we WILL BE fair and balanced...

But once again, there WILL BE follow ups... There HAS TO be... The bad will be brought out and the good will be praised...

 

[Pixiedustmaker]

I'll keep this short and sweet.

A few of us are discussing putting together a blog/website to act as a counterbalance to all those pixie dust addled mommy blogs out there. The idea isn't to be negative. We just want to offer refreshingly honest opinions.

I think there will be a market for this kind of material. And if nothing else, it will draw traffic for being controversial. Disney fans will either love us or love to hate us. But they will be drawn like moths to a flame. Maybe, eventually, in numbers large enough to catch Disney's attention.

I don't yet know the details. This project is in the early development stages. What will determine its ultimate success or failure is you. We need contributors. You don't have to be local. You just need an opinion and an ability to put aside the pixie dust long enough to voice it. If you're interested in joing we lucky few, sound off below or shoot me a message.

Or you can sit on the sidelines and watch Disney World continue its downward spiral.

I had the idea for such a website myself, and I have an idea about how it could be entertaining as well as shining a light on the lack of show for WDW.

 

[lebeau]

Unfortunately, Iam reading this thread and people keep trying to make this new site more and more like WDWmagic, so if all your going to do is make another WDWmagic, your going to fail because WDWmagic is already online with established content and established posters.

If you make the new forum more adult themed with no language filter and allow flaming without being banned, you could have something, but if you take away a huge segment of posters, you better have top flight content to keep people coming back. If all your going to do is rehash stories from this site you may as well keep your domain monies in your wallet for a trip to Burger King and reminisce about what could have been while enjoying a smoothie.

Jimmy Thick- Strawberry banana is gooooooooood....

I am not interested in competing with an established site. If this turns into a WDWMagic clone, I'm not interested.

It may not go anywhere. Personally, I'm not investing my time unless we have something worthwhile. I'm already neglecting my blog which is doing pretty well. I don't need anything else on my plate.

 

[WDW1974]

I'm sure our Spirited friend could be the Lutz of WDW if he so desired...but I think he's a busy man, is he not?

Much too busy ... and that's not my role in this.

 

[WDW1974]

I do think it is a shame that 74's observations are not shared with a wider audience. I would consider that to be a major accomplishment.

My observations go far ... I have quite a big mouth and can be very loud!

But nice try on the kissing up part!

 

[WDW1974]

Progress never comes from an echo chamber, especially one whos purpose is negative.

Trying to improve things and get Disney to live up to its history/legacy as well as current PR and marketing isn't a negative thing.

It's a positive thing. Whether a blog is the answer is another story. I'm not sold on it and people have been trying to get me to write or contribute to one for almost a decade now.

 

[lebeau]

My observations go far ... I have quite a big mouth and can be very loud!

But nice try on the kissing up part!

I'm sure it does. And that's good to hear.

I wasn't so much trying to kiss up. I am just genuinely interested in seeing an alternative voice to all the droning that happens in the majority of Disney blogs. I enjoy reading your posts and think many others outside of the fan community might as well if they were located outside of a forum. Clearly, you're not interested. I get the sense you don't even think it's what's needed. That's cool. I'm just spitballing here.

 

[Lee]

I do think it is a shame that 74's observations are not shared with a wider audience. I would consider that to be a major accomplishment.

Who sees the posts is far more important than how many see them...

 

[WDW1974]

I'm sure it does. And that's good to hear.

I wasn't so much trying to kiss up. I am just genuinely interested in seeing an alternative voice to all the droning that happens in the majority of Disney blogs. I enjoy reading your posts and think many others outside of the fan community might as well if they were located outside of a forum. Clearly, you're not interested. I get the sense you don't even think it's what's needed. That's cool. I'm just spitballing here.

It's more of a not wanting to see you waste your time (and even your angst as well).

I have watched this all before and it always ends the same (even if Jacob keeps trying to convince me that it only ends once and everything in between is just progress).

I appreciate that you appreciate my posts. They are largely tailored to the fan community. I have a very different 'voice' when I am approaching different audiences, even though the message is always the same.

I'm not saying you shouldn't do this, just that you really need to be sure about it ... and in a way that others with similar intent haven't been.

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

I loved D-Troops... was very sad when that site disappeared. I'd be game if someone gave it another go.

Long Live General Grizz!

 

[lebeau]

Who sees the posts is far more important than how many see them...

Agreed. And I am glad the right people are getting the message.

I still think it would be cool to bring the message to the masses as well. However, I can take a hint.

 

[bethymouse]

Good luck w/ this idea. Disney is notorious for making people wait for attractions, etc... Anticipation...
Well, again good luck w/ your revolution! I hope it makes the difference that you are looking for!

 

[jt04]

I'm sure it does. And that's good to hear.

I wasn't so much trying to kiss up. I am just genuinely interested in seeing an alternative voice to all the droning that happens in the majority of Disney blogs. I enjoy reading your posts and think many others outside of the fan community might as well if they were located outside of a forum. Clearly, you're not interested. I get the sense you don't even think it's what's needed. That's cool. I'm just spitballing here.

Dude when are you and others going to figure 74 out? The one thing he does that I appreciate everytime is how he backhands anyone who tries to co-opt him. That is when he shines. He now has to dis me for such a compliment! LOL

Anyway, no way could I stay out of this discussion.

Obviously everyone knows this has been tried and failed. Problem is the critics always go to far. But more than that they fail to take into account all the circumstance involved. It becomes so myopic that credibility goes out the window.

Another place this was tried was the 'hostile takeover' of the LP forums. Total fail for the reasons I mentioned above. Constructive criticism can be valuable but few can effectively put it into practice. Especially when dealing with the WDC. They just do not give into intimadation and those with severe Disney entitlement syndrome. If they did that they would only be trying to appease and real progress would cease. The fact that so many critics refuse to acknowledge the progress at WDW causes all credibility to be lost with the average reader. That is why these attempts are doomed from the start.

There is a way it could work. If the criticism was applied to all resorts in Orlando or the US or even globally in an even-handed way then it could build up a credible following. Otherwise it will fail.