You Say You Want a Revolution

[lebeau]

I think you should recruit Jimmy Thick.

I'm surprised he hasn't chimed in with his pixie dusted two cents.

Jimmy did chime in and was surprisingly supportive!

 

[unkadug]

Jimmy did chime in and was surprisingly supportive!

I hate it when people keep changing their avatars.

 

[misterID]

Fix The Magic was a good idea, but whenever I went to the site, I really didn't understand what I should do there. All I could find were threads to report things that were wrong. I seriously don't go to WDW enough to help in that area, so I didn't know what I could do to help.

You know, Lutz has beengoing on about this quite a bit recently, about WDWers not doing anything and accepting (and deserving) what they get... Maybe you should see about getting him involved. His site has the clout, structure, following and experience in this area that you would need to get noticed.

 

[TalkingHead]

If you try this, you need to make sure the information is disseminated in a clear, direct way. One of the problems with the FixtheMagic site was it used a discussion board approach to keep tabs on what attractions were malfunctioning. It was entirely too convoluted when it came to simply wanting to find out which attractions had broken effects.

Having a weekly update with bulleted points might be one way to streamline this information, so that the reader doesn't have to click around trying to figure out the latest news. Or doing separate blog posts on separate attractions (Splash or COP or Dinosaur or Soarin', e.g.) would be a way to call attention to the most egregious maintenance failures. Another rhetorical strategy would be to contrast what other parks are doing right with what WDW is doing wrong.

Then again, a lot of what WDW is doing wrong goes beyond bad maintenance and extends to poor land development plans and an unwillingness to build big, exciting attractions. To me, that issue is as important as broken effects...

 

[wdw71fan]

There have been a few attempts that I'm aware of. The "if we talk about it WDW will be embarrassed into fixing it" concept has never really blossomed as a forum principle. Good luck trying again...

I honestly think there's ample "refreshingly honest opinions" here on WDWMagic to meet any need.

Of course, I may be part of the "Pixie-Dust addled" mob you're trying to avoid! LOL

yep.. never works.. because thriving on the negative things always starts internal battles, fights and bickering... and then people stop going to the site... I've seen at least 4 sites like this come and go REALLY quickly.

 

[TalkingHead]

Fix The Magic was a good idea, but whenever I went to the site, I really didn't understand what I should do there. All I could find were threads to report things that were wrong. I seriously don't go to WDW enough to help in that area, so I didn't know what I could do to help.

This is precisely what I'm saying. The dissemination of information on that site was horribly executed.

Bad: Requiring the reader to dig through individual threads for each attraction with initial posts that are updated sporadically.

Good: A post that says "Soarin' looks awful because of all the dirt and dust on the film print" and questions why it looks so much worse at Epcot than at DCA.

Put the information front and center so that it's visible to the reader.

 

[IanDLBZF]

Before anyone here starts a revolution, remember this:

Someday, Walt Disney World will be in it's best shape again. But until this day comes, remember this:
"We will never forgive. We will never forget. We will fight NextGen. We will protest for the parks to be refurbished. We will fight in every way we can. WE CAN WIN!"

That being said, we will protest for change in anyway we can, even if it requires help from Anonymous or Occupy. We can make Disney World in it's best shape its ever been!

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Put the information front and center so that it's visible to the reader.

Which is why a blog or facebook page would work better. It's redundant to have another message board where people complain, but an easy to see, share and upload (taking the pressure off of a few to constatly update, because they're the only ones who can do so) "bulliten" or "wall" would get the message across clearer.

There's also the irony though, of having to keep giving Disney money in order to follow up or check in to see what needs fixing.

 

[Jimmy Thick]

The biggest thing with starting a new site is you have to have content that keeps people coming back. You are going against established sites, like this one, Dis and all the other which have years upon years of content, not to mention established posters who only post here. Its not easy to lure those readers away when they know what they have and like already.

If you really wanted to do something different, I would make it an adults only site where language/flaming would be permitted, you need a hook to make it different from the norm, otherwise, I'm going to say, it will fail because if you try to make another WDWmagic, your going to fail before you register your domain.

Jimmy Thick- A no holds bar Disney forum? I could even go for that...

 

[Skip]

The biggest thing with starting a new site is you have to have content that keeps people coming back. You are going against established sites, like this one, Dis and all the other which have years upon years of content, not to mention established posters who only post here. Its not easy to lure those readers away when they know what they have and like already.

If you really wanted to do something different, I would make it an adults only site where language/flaming would be permitted, you need a hook to make it different from the norm, otherwise, I'm going to say, it will fail because if you try to make another WDWmagic, your going to fail before you register your domain.

Jimmy Thick- A no holds bar Disney forum? I could even go for that...

I'm not saying your idea is the best path for this potential new site to take... but... damn, a very intelligent, well thought-out post, Jimmy. Grats!

 

[Jim Handy]

I agree with old Yoda here. It is great when you have all this energy and you want to do something productive with it (believe me, I know). But just as I toldthe FixTheMagic guys, I'm going to say you shouldn't jump into those waters unless you really know how to swim (with the sharks) and have defined goals and how you wish to accomplish them.

If you simply want to talk about what's wrong at WDW and what could be done to improve the place, then why not do so from here? This is a well-known, respected site. The biggest problem I see with the fan community is how splintered it is and fragmenting further doesn't solve that unless you have figured out the solution that no one else has. I don't want to be negative when the goal is a positive one, but if it were easy then we wouldn't be on our second straight decade of decline at WDW.

I would think long and hard before you simply wind up more angry and disillusioned than you are now.

If you can't do something like this like a job (or pay people to do so)then you're likely not gonna accomplish much. WDW needs an Al Lutz type and I don't see anyone like him out there. And that's what you need to draw the eyes of the REAL media, you need to give WDW the PR black eyes it so deserves in the mainstream ... that is Step 1 to real positive action.

I'm sure our Spirited friend could be the Lutz of WDW if he so desired...but I think he's a busy man, is he not?

 

[Captain Chaos]

Which is why a blog or facebook page would work better. It's redundant to have another message board where people complain, but an easy to see, share and upload (taking the pressure off of a few to constatly update, because they're the only ones who can do so) "bulliten" or "wall" would get the message across clearer.

There's also the irony though, of having to keep giving Disney money in order to follow up or check in to see what needs fixing.

Which is what I said on the first page... Forums won't work: 1) requires membership and there are way too many fan sites out there now.. 2) people who don't want certain things to be read will just bury the information with useless posts, like jt and thick and a few other members here do... or they will purposely try to start fights so attention is taken away from the real topic and focused on something else... 3) even if pixie dusters don't try to bury a topic, the forums allow topics to get buried anyway, just the nature of the beast...

A blog is the only way to go... Can allow people to post comments on the comment section, at least the topic isn't buried with mindless nonsense...

And again, the site HAS TO be fair and balanced... Can't just post what's wrong with WDW without a follow up to the issue getting fixed... Cannot just focus on the negative... Got to balance everything out...

 

[Jim Handy]

If you guys are going to create a site like this, be sure not just to focus on the negative. If anything positive comes along, which DOES happen, you'd want to push that as an example of what WDW can still do.

 

[lebeau]

I'm sure our Spirited fiend could be the Lutz of WDW if he so desired...but I think he's a busy man, is he not?

I do think it is a shame that 74's observations are not shared with a wider audience. I would consider that to be a major accomplishment.

 

[Captain Chaos]

If you guys are going to create a site like this, be sure not just to focus on the negative. If anything positive comes along, which DOES happen, you'd want to push that as an example of what WDW can still do.

Exactly!!!!! Which is one possible reason other sites possibly failed...

 

[lebeau]

If you guys are going to create a site like this, be sure not just to focus on the negative. If anything positive comes along, which DOES happen, you'd want to push that as an example of what WDW can still do.

Agreed. I recall the ReImagineering blog. It was an interesting read. But eventually they ran out of valid complaints and just started b!thcing and moaning about minor things. You lose all credibility that way.

I actually think Kevin Yee does an okay job. He just bends over too far backwards to come across as fair. In the end, he sacrifices most of his teeth in doing so. (I do think Yee is being honest and not cowtowing to anyone. He's just more of an observer/fan than a crusader.)

 

[WED Purist]

Progress never comes from an echo chamber, especially one whos purpose is negative.

 

[Jimmy Thick]

Iam already seeing way too much compromise just in this thread, so I changed my stance to this possible new site.

You guys will fail, stick with WDWmagic.


Jimmy Thick- Sorry.

 

[Skip]

Iam already seeing way too much compromise just in this thread, so I changed my stance to this possible new site.

You guys will fail, stick with WDWmagic.


Jimmy Thick- Sorry.

Aww, but Jimmy, you were doing so well!

 

[unkadug]

Iam already seeing way too much compromise just in this thread, so I changed my stance to this possible new site.

You guys will fail, stick with WDWmagic.


Jimmy Thick- Sorry.

That's more like it...I was wondering what you did with the real Jimmy Thick.