YOMD stoops to new lows

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
I say that because, I would assume that Disney would have specific instructions not to award anything that requires someone to be of legal age to sign or enter into contract.

from http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/wdw/yomd/YOMDLanding?id=YOMDLandingPage:

1.ELIGIBILITY

Void outside the fifty (50) United States, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Canada, Mexico, the United Kingdom and where prohibited by law. Persons in any of the following categories are NOT eligible to participate or win prizes in the Giveaway: (a) persons who on or after May 1, 2006 were or are directors, officers or employees of Sponsor, Creata, or their respective parent, subsidiary, or affiliated companies, any other individuals or companies engaged in the administration, development, production or distribution of the Giveaway and any advertising or promotion agencies associated with the Giveaway; (b) persons who on or after May 1, 2006 were or are on-site directors, officers or employees of any commercial establishment at the Disney Properties (as hereinafter defined); and (c) persons who are immediate family members (defined as spouse, or biological, adoptive or step- mother, father, sister, brother, daughter, son or any dependent under applicable income tax law) of any person in any of the preceding categories, regardless of where they live, or who reside in the same household, whether an immediate family member or not, as any person in any of the preceding categories. Except as otherwise set forth in these Official Rules, prizes won by a person who is a minor in his or her state, province or country of residence ("Minor") may, in Sponsor's sole discretion, be awarded to his or her parent or legal guardian, and, in the case of prizes that, in Sponsor's sole discretion, require winner verification, that parent or legal guardian will be responsible for completing the verification process and executing all "Prize Claim Documents" (as hereinafter defined) and otherwise complying with all requirements imposed on winners set forth herein. Notwithstanding the foregoing, in the event a Minor is the winner of any prize in which the winner is permitted to travel to, stay at or attend an event, site or destination, such Minor and any guest (as applicable) must be accompanied by his/her parent or legal guardian on such prize and, as applicable, the parent or legal guardian will be considered one (1) of the allotted guests.

I doubt that the Dream Team has been instructed NOT to award certain prizes to underage guests, as that would violate the whole randomness of the prize process!
 

askmike1

Member
Umm.....can anyone say "Making a big deal out of nothing?" :confused:
I don't mind PR. I mind them charging - and accepting - money to stay in the suite. They sold it. Plain and simple. They said they wouldn't, and should be ashamed. Greedy people.
When did they say they would never rent out the suite? Can you provide any evidence of that? They cannot just let the reporter in for free as that would go against the whole prize-value thing. Point is, Disney wants publicity, the reporter can provide publicity, put two and two together & you get some very nice publicity for the Suite.
 

KaliSplash

Well-Known Member
I don't mind PR. I mind them charging - and accepting - money to stay in the suite. They sold it. Plain and simple. They said they wouldn't, and should be ashamed. Greedy people.

Actually, The Associated Press has rules against accepting 'freebies." I rather suspect they asked if it was possible to do a story on spending the night in the castle, and paid what WDW said was the going rate to avoid being 'given' anything that might influence the story favorably.
 

mousermerf

Account Suspended
Original Poster
Merf, you take nice pictures, and I am sure you love the attention you get for being the first person to put up various construction photos.... But call off your dogs... Alright?

No.

Disney is lying somewhere. Purposely trying to decieve people. The Good Morning America family was supposed to be the first to stay in the suite. The other family was supposed to be the first that won the suite. When did he stay in the suite?

First, then awarded... then him...? Meaning, they either didn't award it one day for his stay - which goes against their contest - or they had him stay there prior to the "first stay" people - which again goes against a different one of their contests. They are full of deception on the whole matter.
 

Hakunamatata

Le Meh
Premium Member
from http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/wdw/yomd/YOMDLanding?id=YOMDLandingPage:



I doubt that the Dream Team has been instructed NOT to award certain prizes to underage guests, as that would violate the whole randomness of the prize process!

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the distribution of prizes is not totally or scientifically random. I have been in a group that won prizes from the YOMD and I can state from experience that the distribution was not random.
 

Enderikari

Well-Known Member
No.

Disney is lying somewhere. Purposely trying to decieve people. The Good Morning America family was supposed to be the first to stay in the suite. The other family was supposed to be the first that won the suite. When did he stay in the suite?

First, then awarded... then him...? Meaning, they either didn't award it one day for his stay - which goes against their contest - or they had him stay there prior to the "first stay" people - which again goes against a different one of their contests. They are full of deception on the whole matter.

No, they are not Merf, the Good Morning America family may have been the first winners to stay in the suite. The first family chosen as a special prize to stay in the suite, but do you really think that Disney would throw a bunch of Cast Members into running something as important as the Castle Suite without having a couple of non-press event dry runs? To iron out the timing of all of, as the reporter stated, "pre-set" events. Disney holds previews of its new attractions before its grand openings, but they aren't deceiving anybody when they call an attractions's opening day its Grand Opening.

edit - also, they are scheduled to have the castle suite as a prize in the YOMD 307 nights this year... As shown in the official rules. I am not saying that the reporter stayed in the suite after it officially opened, but even if they did, there is the potential for several days during the year where Dream Squad is not responsible for filling it... Which I assume covers the E-Bay sweepstakes, and the Canada sweepstakes, media relations opportunities, and those nights (like grad nights and night of joys) where even I wouldn't want to stay in the suite.
 

Enderikari

Well-Known Member
And on several occasions, the Dreamsquad has been known to refer to prize winners as "families" not a single "guest."

Right, and many times cast members call where they work rides, not attractions... or people who call it Disney-MGM Studios... just the MGM-Studios... Nomenclature is something that is rarely followed, and now it is very plain to see that you are reaching...
 

imamouse

Well-Known Member
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the distribution of prizes is not totally or scientifically random. I have been in a group that won prizes from the YOMD and I can state from experience that the distribution was not random.

How so? Please clairfy - thanks!
 

mousermerf

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Original Poster
Right, and many times cast members call where they work rides, not attractions... or people who call it Disney-MGM Studios... just the MGM-Studios... Nomenclature is something that is rarely followed, and now it is very plain to see that you are reaching...

Not many people make the mistake of refering to things in plural rather then singular...
 

Enderikari

Well-Known Member
Not many people make the mistake of refering to things in plural rather then singular...

So you expect that a person who gets chosen wouldn't bring any of their friends along? I would expect most people who would win would elect to bring at least SOMEONE else with them
 

mousermerf

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Original Poster
365 minus 307 is 58.

58 times $587 is $34,046 in profit the Walt Disney Company is looking to make off renting out the castle this year. Probably a nice bonus for some executive.

Or, on second though - how much does that butler make per year?
 

spaceghost

Well-Known Member
No.

Disney is lying somewhere. Purposely trying to decieve people. The Good Morning America family was supposed to be the first to stay in the suite. The other family was supposed to be the first that won the suite. When did he stay in the suite?

First, then awarded... then him...? Meaning, they either didn't award it one day for his stay - which goes against their contest - or they had him stay there prior to the "first stay" people - which again goes against a different one of their contests. They are full of deception on the whole matter.

Wow, where's Mulder and Scully when you need them? This level of deception is simply diabolical. I can see why they are trying to cover this up - if the world knew, they'd be outraged.
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Or maybe it was a matter of semantics and no one (except Merf) cares. Seriously...look, I get that you don't like the YOAMD, but now you're just starting to come off like Jim Hill.
 

Enderikari

Well-Known Member
365 minus 307 is 58.

58 times $587 is $34,046 in profit the Walt Disney Company is looking to make off renting out the castle this year. Probably a nice bonus for some executive.

Profit? PROFIT? You are joking, right? I have serious doubts that the AP paid, and even if they did, you think that would be profit? What about the experiences the reporter had? Someone had to pay for those... What about the 307 nights that are given away completely free? The Disney Company isn't "Looking to make money off of renting the castle this year." Truthfully, they are getting their money back in the publicity and PR that comes from the suite... $34,000 is chump change compared to the amount of good will and publicity that comes from having the suite. $587 is absolutely nothing compared to having an AP reporter stay in the suite and write about his experiences...
A bonus for some executive? Where did you pull that out of? You obviously have it out for a fictional "Evil Company" that simply doesn't exist...
 

Rob562

Well-Known Member
No.

Disney is lying somewhere. Purposely trying to decieve people. The Good Morning America family was supposed to be the first to stay in the suite. The other family was supposed to be the first that won the suite. When did he stay in the suite?

First, then awarded... then him...? Meaning, they either didn't award it one day for his stay - which goes against their contest - or they had him stay there prior to the "first stay" people - which again goes against a different one of their contests. They are full of deception on the whole matter.

Actually, according to someone from WDI who posts on the RADP newsgroup, the VERY first winner of the Castle Suite was a mail-in entry. The computer just happened to choose "mail-in entry" the first day they went to award it. The kid that won on Star Tours and got all the press, was the first winner who actually got to STAY in the Suite. (Mail-in winners of the Suite get an equal-value prize, which I believe is a gift basket worth $587 or more).

They also went into other details about how many individual locations there are at WDW for the computer to choose from (3267, which is 99x33), and that to make the selection truly random, the computer uses a "seed number" based off of a ticket serial number being processed at the MK turnstiles at a random time. (because as most computer programmers know, it's very difficult to get a truly random number generated by a computer, and it helps if you use a truly random input from the real world, such as the ticket number off of a Guest's ticket going through the turnstile, to use in calculating the winning selection)

I'd suggest looking up the thread on RADP if you want more info than that. Offhand I don't recall the thread name, though.

-Rob
 

Enderikari

Well-Known Member
Those "friends" are not the winners though.

And? The persons who stay in the castle, up to 5 others, are entitled to everything the winners get... The dinners, the stay, the front-of-the-line access to attractions, so, in essence, they are winners too... But that doesn't imply that they have to be members of the winners families...
 

darthjohnny

Active Member
So I don't get it. When will they rent out these rooms?

And if the room is rented, then obviously they wouldn't be giving out the room every night, right? :shrug:
 

Iakona

Member
I don't mind PR. I mind them charging - and accepting - money to stay in the suite. They sold it. Plain and simple. They said they wouldn't, and should be ashamed. Greedy people.

How dare a business like Disney actually sell their product if they choose to! I am shocked. Shocked I tell you. :lookaroun

Umm.....can anyone say "Making a big deal out of nothing?" :confused:

When did they say they would never rent out the suite? Can you provide any evidence of that? They cannot just let the reporter in for free as that would go against the whole prize-value thing. Point is, Disney wants publicity, the reporter can provide publicity, put two and two together & you get some very nice publicity for the Suite.

Here you go Mike, This is making a big deal out of nothing. :brick: Again.


I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the distribution of prizes is not totally or scientifically random. I have been in a group that won prizes from the YOMD and I can state from experience that the distribution was not random.

How so? I have read how they are being assigned and it seems random to me. Of course every time they award a prize everyone in the park has an equal chance of winning whether they have before or not. Kind of like the guy I read about that won the lottery 2 weeks in a row or how the NFC has won the Superbowl coin toss the last 6 years (I think that is what it was).

Wow, where's Mulder and Scully when you need them? This level of deception is simply diabolical. I can see why they are trying to cover this up - if the world knew, they'd be outraged.
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Or maybe it was a matter of semantics and no one (except Merf) cares. Seriously...look, I get that you don't like the YOAMD, but now you're just starting to come off like Jim Hill.

Forget Mulder and Scully, get Oliver Stone on the line, maybe we can get a new movie out of it.
 

Hakunamatata

Le Meh
Premium Member
How so? Please clairfy - thanks!

We won the pin lanyards as we were coming off SSE. At least fifty people won it, and it was probably more like 100. They just stood there in the little hallway as you get off the ride vehicle and basically tossed them at you when you were walking by. I dont call that random, and its not random.
 

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