WSJ: Even Disney Is Worried About The High Cost Of A Disney Vacation (gift link)

Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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StarWarsGirl said:
The long term strategy of cutting costs while not spending money and increasing prices happened under his watch. Eisner spent money, but he wanted it done as cheaply as possible, which resulted in stuff like the carnival Dinoland and the cheaper version of ToT at Disneyland. At least the current strategies require actually investing in the parks, not just buying pre built rides and stuffing them in with some theming.

Though I do agree; Cheapek was a clown.

And my phone thinks his name is Cheapek and not Chapek...🤣
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Iger has been in complete control for 21 years…just follow the events. He quit to hide from the Covid stock market crash (bad look there)…but maintained full control of his puppet board for every second since…which he never should have had.

Eisner couldn’t pivot after 1995…he had contractual park obligations/problems and just didn’t have the vigor or patience after his coronary episode. But Disney had a watchdog then…so eventually he went.

It hasn’t since…and that’s how you get a spiral on an egomaniacs agenda
 
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Jrb1979

Jrb1979

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To keep on topic, one thing that is looking like it's going to put a dent in Orlando travel as a whole is Canadian travel to the US is apparently dropping significantly. With the politics and dollar, many are opting to stay in Canada for travel this year.

This is a post from DisBoards.

"Right now, summer hotel rates in Orlando are the lowest we’ve seen since COVID. Looking at Priceline, which often has discounted Disney hotel rates (although high booking fees$, I’ve seen the Contemporary and Polynesian for below $400/night for much of the summer. Grand Floridian is at $425. Coronado Springs and AKL at $189. I’ve seen All Star Sports for $109"
 
Vegas Disney Fan

Vegas Disney Fan

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Jrb1979 said:
To keep on topic, one thing that is looking like it's going to put a dent in Orlando travel as a whole is Canadian travel to the US is apparently dropping significantly. With the politics and dollar, many are opting to stay in Canada for travel this year.

This is a post from DisBoards.

"Right now, summer hotel rates in Orlando are the lowest we’ve seen since COVID. Looking at Priceline, which often has discounted Disney hotel rates (although high booking fees$, I’ve seen the Contemporary and Polynesian for below $400/night for much of the summer. Grand Floridian is at $425. Coronado Springs and AKL at $189. I’ve seen All Star Sports for $109"
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I think a perfect storm is brewing, years of endless price increases, years of cutting perks, years of growing animosity, years of inflation, years of added barriers like reservations, years of “revenge trips” (many on credit) drying up, years of little to nothing new… it was bound to catch up with Disney, and by extension Uni, eventually. Something as statistically minor as Canadians deciding to stay home, probably less than 2-3% of Disneys guests, could be all it takes to tip the scales.

I’ve talked about it in the DL AP thread but anecdotally probably 2/3 of my DL AP friends didn’t renew this year, and we’re Disney diehards, if the most diehard fans can’t justify the prices anymore it’s bound to be worse among casual fans.
 
Agent H

Agent H

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StarWarsGirl said:
The long term strategy of cutting costs while not spending money and increasing prices happened under his watch. Eisner spent money, but he wanted it done as cheaply as possible, which resulted in stuff like the carnival Dinoland and the cheaper version of ToT at Disneyland. At least the current strategies require actually investing in the parks, not just buying pre built rides and stuffing them in with some theming.

Though I do agree; Cheapek was a clown.

And my phone thinks his name is Cheapek and not Chapek...🤣
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Try bob paycheck your phone will understand that😉
 
JoeCamel

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Google AI sez about 1.3M visitors were from Canada and 900K from the UK in 2023, seems low to me but maybe covid hangover?
In any case it also seems to be a small percentage of the whole but I'm sure TDO is concerned with any drop.
 
Vegas Disney Fan

Vegas Disney Fan

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Animaniac93-98 said:
Canadians make up the largest % of non-US visitors for Florida as a whole. I think it's probably more than 2-3%.
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My quick google search result was:
  • Out of 6.13 million international visitors in 2023, around 1.3 million were from Canada. Followed by the United Kingdom with 900,000visitors. Next were Brazil, Mexico and Colombia.
In 2023 WDW had 49 million visitors.

That would make Canadians about 2.5% of visitors.
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Disney World Visitor Statistics - How Many People Visit per Year?

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Animaniac93-98

Animaniac93-98

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JoeCamel said:
Google AI sez about 1.3M visitors were from Canada and 900K from the UK in 2023, seems low to me but maybe covid hangover?
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Vegas Disney Fan said:
My quick google search result was:
  • Out of 6.13 million international visitors in 2023, around 1.3 million were from Canada. Followed by the United Kingdom with 900,000visitors. Next were Brazil, Mexico and Colombia.
In 2023 WDW had 49 million visitors.

That would make Canadians about 2.5% of visitors.
roadgenius.com

Orlando Tourism Statistics - How Many People Visit per Year?

In 2022, as the world grew more accustomed to the new normal, the city of Orlando welcomed 74.04 million visitors, almost mirroring pre-pandemic numbers.
roadgenius.com

roadgenius.com

Disney World Visitor Statistics - How Many People Visit per Year?

With an average annual attendance of more than 58 million, Walt Disney World firmly holds the title as the world's most frequently visited vacation resort.
roadgenius.com
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I thought it would have been higher, maybe it was before 2020?
 
Jrb1979

Jrb1979

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What I do find interesting is while Orlando is seeing discounts and rates dropping for the summer, it's the opposite for many other US places. I was pricing out a Cedar Point and Dollywood vacation for the summer. Those rates have gone up significantly compared to last summer.
 
lazyboy97o

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Vegas Disney Fan said:
My quick google search result was:
  • Out of 6.13 million international visitors in 2023, around 1.3 million were from Canada. Followed by the United Kingdom with 900,000visitors. Next were Brazil, Mexico and Colombia.
In 2023 WDW had 49 million visitors.

That would make Canadians about 2.5% of visitors.
roadgenius.com

Orlando Tourism Statistics - How Many People Visit per Year?

In 2022, as the world grew more accustomed to the new normal, the city of Orlando welcomed 74.04 million visitors, almost mirroring pre-pandemic numbers.
roadgenius.com

roadgenius.com

Disney World Visitor Statistics - How Many People Visit per Year?

With an average annual attendance of more than 58 million, Walt Disney World firmly holds the title as the world's most frequently visited vacation resort.
roadgenius.com
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49 million is about what you get when you add together the attendance estimates for all four parks at Walt Disney World. Any visitors who visit multiple parks are being captured multiple times in that number so it’s not really a good baseline to determine percentage of visitors. Baseless assumptions on how many parks they visit (3 - 4 unique gate clicks however AECOM determines that) would probably put Canadian visitors at least at 7-10% of park attendance.
 
Jrb1979

Jrb1979

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lazyboy97o said:
49 million is about what you get when you add together the attendance estimates for all four parks at Walt Disney World. Any visitors who visit multiple parks are being captured multiple times in that number so it’s not really a good baseline to determine percentage of visitors. Baseless assumptions on how many parks they visit (3 - 4 unique gate clicks however AECOM determines that) would probably put Canadian visitors at least at 7-10% of park attendance.
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That high of a number could put a dent to attendance in Orlando.
 
Stripes

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Jrb1979 said:
What I do find interesting is while Orlando is seeing discounts and rates dropping for the summer, it's the opposite for many other US places. I was pricing out a Cedar Point and Dollywood vacation for the summer. Those rates have gone up significantly compared to last summer.
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Summer is the slow season now. Has been for years.

Of course, Epic is opening in May so this summer might be a different story.
 
Jrb1979

Jrb1979

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Stripes said:
Summer is the slow season now. Has been for years.

Of course, Epic is opening in May so this summer might be a different story.
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According to what I posted, it doesn't look like much is changing. Hotel rates are the lowest since prior to COVID. That's not good especially with a brand new theme park opening.
 

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