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StarWarsGirl

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Our bedroom has a balcony and we had quite a few on them yesterday. My husband went out with a rolled up magazine and killed them. Not 10 minutes later, more appeared. This time last year, I only saw one while I was out walking. It was so unusual looking, I took a photo of it and looked it up when I got home. That's when I learned about this pest. Now I go out and I see so many adults and nymphs. My husband stomps on them when we go out walking and I see lots that have already been stomped. It is crazy how many lantern flies have emerged after one year. People put adhesive strips around the trunks of their trees to prevent them from climbing up and laying eggs. Half of my yard has trees that border and one side of my house is bordered by a wooded lot.

I don't know if they are in your area yet. But make sure you check your car for them before you leave Hershey Park. They can't fly very far and they rely on us to bring them to new areas. My county is quarantined, which means I am supposed to check my car for them before I go somewhere that isn't infested yet.
They're not where I am, and I always check my car. Fortunately they don't seem to be in the parking lot. They seem to have two major spots where they congregate, and then you'll see them every now and then in other areas.

Though there was one that flew into the monorail as we were riding it. My brother managed to get it after the dang thing jumped away from me.
 

HouCuseChickie

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I agree. My guidance counselor tried to get me to apply to Cornell and I was ambivalent, mostly because it was too far north. I refuse to live any further north than southern PA. I could have gone to the local state school for free, but a lot of people advised against it. I ended up going to a private school on a huge scholarship and didn't have to take out student loans.

I had to chuckle a bit when I read this. The eldest daughter of a good friend went to Cornell. It was between Cornell and Bryn Mawr, as both were offering her full scholarships with all kinds of extras. She'd never lived outside of the Houston area and never traveled anywhere with real winter. I was all for her going to Cornell if that's what she felt was best for her, but after spending 4 years in Syracuse, I had to advise them on how to survive the cold and snow. I thought I'd be good growing up in central/north NJ, but boy was that a rude awakening. So, I can fully understand not wanting to go any further north...especially to areas prone to tons of lake effect snow.

Your approach is kind of like what we've been pushing for our girls to think about. There are a lot of private schools out there which offer up scholarships...far more than public schools. We're also not trying to have them get too hung up on names. I'm sure there are some fields where it could make a difference, but in all of our years in the work force, we haven't seen college selectivity and status have a huge impact on hiring and promotion.
 

HouCuseChickie

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My knee has been aching, but I really want to commit to getting back into some kind of routine. The kids start school tomorrow, meaning I'll be up early. Not sure if I want to do some before and some after drop off or what, but I need to do something. It might also be good with my anger management.

Our softball world blew up on Friday, and I am just one giant ball of rage. I don't really know how to explain what happened in a clear and concise manner, but it doesn't help that the coach/manager hasn't given us a clear answer as to why. Ultimately, our coach informed us several months ago that he'd be putting together a new team that was a blend of our team, another highly competitive team, and a few talented people we could pick up at tryouts to round things out. The kids identified as the most talented were guaranteed locks for the new team, while the rest would officially be trying out. After the first three rounds of tryouts, we were called by our coach...who promoted himself to manager in this, and were informed that our daughter made the team. She was one of the locks, but still good to confirm. By Friday morning, we get a cryptic message on our team app from the manager to check our emails. He sent this rambling message. It was such a mess that we couldn't tell if he was just leaving the team or if the team wasn't happening at all. When my husband called to get clarification, he was informed there's no team, but the coach/manager failed to give us a clear reason and what little info he did offer up was one part lie and one part cop out. He claimed that the coach of the other team involved in the blending wanted too much $ to be head coach. People usually remember when there's a dispute over money, so considering she was just as blindsided and desperately still trying to figure out a way to make this work, that reason our coach/manager supplied is almost definitely a lie. The cop out...our coach/manager is a really obnoxious control freak who insists on talking over people vs. having discussions. It is possible that the best girls for the team didn't match what he had in mind. That doesn't mean there's no team, like he's claiming, it just means the people with a higher level of softball knowledge holding the tryouts picked the best cluster of girls. At the end of the day, he is the only one who was bailing on this team...so we tried to go forward with the next round of tryouts in hopes that we could find a field. Yeah...our old coach/manager burned us with that too. The fields we were using were in his name. He couldn't get them transferred over to the other coach nor was he willing to work out any kind of agreement with us. It's very late in the recruiting season and most fields are already spoken for, so we had no field to continue with this venture. And with it being late in recruitment, this also means that most teams recruiting girls have already had their tryouts. That's not to say there aren't teams looking for girls, but most are either too far, daddy ball, or playing less competitive C ball. We have a lead on a team for some of our kids and got the ball rolling last night, but we're all just a big bundle of emotions.

Our coach/manager's failure to provide a legit reason, when he's notorious for being an oversharer giving way too much info, has everyone thinking the worst. One of the dads heard him saying he was shopping his kid to other teams too. That's fine if you're not trying to field a team with your kids and another organized group, but not when you're already putting together a team of your own. By having these top kids from our team and this other team committed to his new team, we never dreamed of going out and trying out for other teams. But if he was shopping his kid around outside of our organization while all of this was going on, it meant she wouldn't have to compete against the best from our two teams. So, it's possible he removed some of the competition by making us think we had a team. Even worse...assuming he knew the other coach had issues with the manager of the fields we were using, he also knew that when we tried to band together...she'd never be able to convince the field manager to let us have field time. Now this one may be stretching it, but coach/mgr and his wife supposedly had Covid and couldn't attend any of these tryouts. How convenient that you get sick just before all of this and then pull the plug. He's an anti-vaxxer and believes all kinds of insane non-scientific stuff, so it's not a total shock that his daughter was allowed to go out to the mall while they supposedly had symptoms, but considering how careless he was about considering spread prior to all of this, it wouldn't shock me if he tried to use the virus as a smokescreen to keep away from tryouts and secretly get his kid onto another team. The worst part is that he killed the friendship between his daughter and best friend by doing this.

At the end of the day, he's not very liked in softball circles and if his kid was already picked up by another team, they are going to have to gag him if they don't want him trying to interfere with their coaching...and as this season progressed, we realized we were being outcoached due to his ignorance on a lot of things. So, it could be a real mess. The big thing is when this makes its way around all of the local softball circles. It's already started to travel around by word of mouth and considering he's got such a bad reputation, this could brand his kid with a scarlet letter if enough of the truth gets out.

Sorry for the novel, but I'm just so mad. At the end of the day, these kids just want to play ball and their 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 former coach betrayed their trust and abandoned them. You have to be pretty evil to pull this crud and let down all of these kids. I'm just hoping this new opportunity a handful of us are exploring works out. We should know later this week.

Sorry...just venting.
 

Sans Souci

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I really don't know anything about extracurricular softball (e.g, I had to look up 'daddy ball' :hilarious:), so I have loads of questions.

The coach had a brilliant idea to make a 'super team' and then bailed out to shop his daughter around when he realized she likely wouldn't make the blended team? When you tried to go forward with the remaining try-outs, he refused to release the fields so the try-outs could be held? Was there any benefit to him doing this? I mean, if he was going to shop out his daughters, at least the other girls try-out. I'm sorry for the questions, I am clueless about this kind of stuff! I am probably misunderstanding a bunch of things.

If it is true that he was busy shopping his daughter around to other teams and making you guy think this team was still happening to prevent the better players from attending other team try-outs, that's pretty bad. That seems like cheating to me, but it probably can't be proven.

Is it too late to find another coach for the blended team? It sounds like he wasn't very good anyway, so maybe there is a silver lining in this mess. But my goodness, I hope your girls and their teammates can find a solution in this mess. If there is any justice, this stunt of his will follow him where he goes and preclude him from coaching in the future.
 

Sans Souci

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They're not where I am, and I always check my car. Fortunately they don't seem to be in the parking lot. They seem to have two major spots where they congregate, and then you'll see them every now and then in other areas.

Though there was one that flew into the monorail as we were riding it. My brother managed to get it after the dang thing jumped away from me.

My son was in the yard today and he texted me " 4 lantern fly kill streak" I stepped on my first one today. I usually only step on the nymphs. I have been too squeamish, but I went out the get the mail and it was right there on my door step. I stomped on it and shuddered. :hungover:
 

HouCuseChickie

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I really don't know anything about extracurricular softball (e.g, I had to look up 'daddy ball' :hilarious:), so I have loads of questions.

The coach had a brilliant idea to make a 'super team' and then bailed out to shop his daughter around when he realized she likely wouldn't make the blended team? When you tried to go forward with the remaining try-outs, he refused to release the fields so the try-outs could be held? Was there any benefit to him doing this? I mean, if he was going to shop out his daughters, at least the other girls try-out. I'm sorry for the questions, I am clueless about this kind of stuff! I am probably misunderstanding a bunch of things.

If it is true that he was busy shopping his daughter around to other teams and making you guy think this team was still happening to prevent the better players from attending other team try-outs, that's pretty bad. That seems like cheating to me, but it probably can't be proven.

Is it too late to find another coach for the blended team? It sounds like he wasn't very good anyway, so maybe there is a silver lining in this mess. But my goodness, I hope your girls and their teammates can find a solution in this mess. If there is any justice, this stunt of his will follow him where he goes and preclude him from coaching in the future.

LOL...yes, it's like we have our own little world and lingo.

It doesn't make a ton of sense for him to shop her around when what he was building would have likely been better than any of that, especially when you consider the coach of the other team that was blending in with us and assuming the role of head coach + she had played college ball and has coached school ball. That being said, there's a team waaaaaaaaay on the other side of town that is supposedly his softball crush...if that's a thing. I didn't know it, but one of the other dads said that he was going on and on about them while we were in FL last month...the same way a teenager might rave about the new guy she likes. It's a really good team and the manager is a former NFL pro-bowler. Not that football is a gateway to softball, but he's got connections. His girls have also been playing together since a very young age and came up through basic town recreation ball to get to this level. So, people are wondering if he somehow weaseled his kid into this team. They're a really good team, but 1. it's over a 90 minute drive to where they practice during rush hour and over 60 minutes in lighter traffic. 2. They're a good team, but he plays his kids injured. They had so many kids hurt one tournament and were on the brink of forfeiting. He put a girl up to bat who couldn't stand on both legs. The pitcher ended up walking her and a coach had to help her limp to first base before they could sub in a pinch runner in her place

If he really did this because he was trying to shop his kid around with less competition in the way, it's probably not cheating, but it's extremely dirty.

There are still some teams looking for kids, but most play in less competitive tournaments. We did find one that may work. At the very least, if they offer my daughter a spot, it will get her on the field and we know (and respect) the manager of their organization. She just found out today that her best friend got an offer from another team that they just couldn't pass up. They're both so sad, but what can you do? We'd talked to her about how they probably wouldn't be able to play together forever, but I never thought it would happen like this.
 

Songbird76

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I knew some who went to Harvard. They've got each incoming class broken down into groups for acceptance- student athletes ( no athletic scholarships in Ivy League ) but they have grant aid so they can attend , legacy kids and or parents who have attended Harvard, minorities , and other groups. There are kids who get shut out even though some have perfect 800 scores on the SAT. One kid my family knew was drafted in the NHL in high school , declined to turn pro, had average grades ,was from MA but at that time Harvard was a powerhouse in college hockey and was recruiting the best players to play for the Crimson. He went to Harvard for four years, didn't pay for his school in that Ivy League student athletes are given grant aid , was a star hockey player, then went onto have a long NHL career, retired then became the the Harvard hockey coach. His name is Ted Donato. One African American kid had a single mother working jobs just to pay rent. The kid went to Harvard on a full scholarship.
If the guy is their hockey coach now, his admission to Harvard must have been decades ago. I imagine it's slightly different now....probably a LOT more applicants, for one thing. There's been such a huge push in the last decade or so for parents to start their kids on the college track when they are in preschool. Getting them all sorts of lessons to set them apart....music, foreign languages, sports, tutoring...it's supposed to make them more competitive in the college market, and it probably does, but it seems like every kid applying to those schools have that same background, unless they are legacy kids.

Imagine what a kid has to have up his sleeve to get a full scholarship to Harvard? And what exactly does a full scholarship entail? Does it include room and board as well as tuition, fees, books, etc?
 

Lilofan

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If the guy is their hockey coach now, his admission to Harvard must have been decades ago. I imagine it's slightly different now....probably a LOT more applicants, for one thing. There's been such a huge push in the last decade or so for parents to start their kids on the college track when they are in preschool. Getting them all sorts of lessons to set them apart....music, foreign languages, sports, tutoring...it's supposed to make them more competitive in the college market, and it probably does, but it seems like every kid applying to those schools have that same background, unless they are legacy kids.

Imagine what a kid has to have up his sleeve to get a full scholarship to Harvard? And what exactly does a full scholarship entail? Does it include room and board as well as tuition, fees, books, etc?
Financial aid scholarships are based on family income. One African American single mother was earning little and her kid got a free ride to Harvard. Cornell for many years had been a powerhouse in college wresting with some of the best wrestling facilities in the country. They recruit the best wrestlers, are given free ride for four years ( grant aid ) and have tutors for them for four years to assist them so the student athletes can be academically eligible to compete in wresting. Grant aid as Ivy League calls it or athletic scholarships as other colleges call it are given a free ride ( tuition, room and board ). At Duke University which is another competitive school to attend, the student athletes live in better housing and eat in separate dining areas only for athletes that includes better food options as opposed to the regular Duke student that is not an athlete. Also tutors are supplied to them to help them remain academically eligible to play sports.
 
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Songbird76

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I think Ivy League schools are good for grad school if you want to go into a specific area of research and you want to study there because a professor or the department itself is doing cutting edge research in that area. But I am not sure I would go as an undergrad without a significant scholarship.

When my husband worked in the private sector, he managed one person who went to Chicago Booth and another who went to Harvard business school. He said the Booth guy needed to be praised for his work all the time and the Harvard guy could crank out all this data at lightning speed, but struggled to tell you what it meant. It sounds like he could have been replaced by a computer. lol
I've never heard of Chicago Booth...is that supposed to be a really good school?

I guess that's the thing...people expect someone from Harvard, Yale, Prinston, etc to be better than someone from a smaller school, but is that really the case? 5 years down the line, once they have some experience in their actual field, is the Harvard grad that much better than someone from a standard university? I mean, the probably had some aptitude before they even went to college, like the hockey player mentioned. He was drafted to go pro before he even got to college and chose not to. It's not Harvard's program that made him so good he could go pro. But the fact that he went to Harvard and then went pro makes it LOOK to some like Harvard's program is better. Schools spend a LOT of money recruiting those who are expected to do big things in their fields, and I'm sure they get an adequate education at the "top" schools, but if they were already so good in high school, would it make a huge difference whether they went to the University of Wyoming or to Harvard? The aptitude was there already. And once they graduate and go into the job market in whatever field, do they have a head start above those who went to a less prestigious school? And do they grow exponentially more? Statistically, does going to Harvard or Yale ensure you are MORE successful in your chosen field?
 

Songbird76

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Good morning ☀️

I did a YouTube video this AM. It was a lower body work that was a little bit of cardio and some ballet and floor work with gliding discs. I am going to revisit my strength training program when winter rolls around and pair it with Couch to 10K.

Yesterday, my husband told me there was a wasp nest in the ground in our backyard near the house. He went out to buy some spray. I went out to look and they were little sweat bees. When he returned, my son and I convinced him not to spray them, because they are pollinators and non-aggressive. They need sodium to survive and they will lick the sweat from your body. If you want them to leave you alone, you can place bowls of salt water near their nest. They do sting, though. He was going to spray them last night and my son talked him out of it. I think he is worried about getting stung while doing yard work.
Is there a way to move the nest away from where he would be doing yard work or can he just work around it? I'm assuming they are not the kind of bees to make honey, but are they helpful in ways besides pollinating?
 

Lilofan

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I've never heard of Chicago Booth...is that supposed to be a really good school?

I guess that's the thing...people expect someone from Harvard, Yale, Prinston, etc to be better than someone from a smaller school, but is that really the case? 5 years down the line, once they have some experience in their actual field, is the Harvard grad that much better than someone from a standard university? I mean, the probably had some aptitude before they even went to college, like the hockey player mentioned. He was drafted to go pro before he even got to college and chose not to. It's not Harvard's program that made him so good he could go pro. But the fact that he went to Harvard and then went pro makes it LOOK to some like Harvard's program is better. Schools spend a LOT of money recruiting those who are expected to do big things in their fields, and I'm sure they get an adequate education at the "top" schools, but if they were already so good in high school, would it make a huge difference whether they went to the University of Wyoming or to Harvard? The aptitude was there already. And once they graduate and go into the job market in whatever field, do they have a head start above those who went to a less prestigious school? And do they grow exponentially more? Statistically, does going to Harvard or Yale ensure you are MORE successful in your chosen field?
In Wall Street , someone with a Harvard degree will and can open doors since Wall Street is full of Ivy League brains. That is a fact. They like to recruit their own. In the Ivy League there are secret clubs like Skull and Bones in Yale that just like other society clubs they also look out for each other post college years. The clubs have hazing initiation rites but that's not something to describe in this forum.
 
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Songbird76

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My knee has been aching, but I really want to commit to getting back into some kind of routine. The kids start school tomorrow, meaning I'll be up early. Not sure if I want to do some before and some after drop off or what, but I need to do something. It might also be good with my anger management.

Our softball world blew up on Friday, and I am just one giant ball of rage. I don't really know how to explain what happened in a clear and concise manner, but it doesn't help that the coach/manager hasn't given us a clear answer as to why. Ultimately, our coach informed us several months ago that he'd be putting together a new team that was a blend of our team, another highly competitive team, and a few talented people we could pick up at tryouts to round things out. The kids identified as the most talented were guaranteed locks for the new team, while the rest would officially be trying out. After the first three rounds of tryouts, we were called by our coach...who promoted himself to manager in this, and were informed that our daughter made the team. She was one of the locks, but still good to confirm. By Friday morning, we get a cryptic message on our team app from the manager to check our emails. He sent this rambling message. It was such a mess that we couldn't tell if he was just leaving the team or if the team wasn't happening at all. When my husband called to get clarification, he was informed there's no team, but the coach/manager failed to give us a clear reason and what little info he did offer up was one part lie and one part cop out. He claimed that the coach of the other team involved in the blending wanted too much $ to be head coach. People usually remember when there's a dispute over money, so considering she was just as blindsided and desperately still trying to figure out a way to make this work, that reason our coach/manager supplied is almost definitely a lie. The cop out...our coach/manager is a really obnoxious control freak who insists on talking over people vs. having discussions. It is possible that the best girls for the team didn't match what he had in mind. That doesn't mean there's no team, like he's claiming, it just means the people with a higher level of softball knowledge holding the tryouts picked the best cluster of girls. At the end of the day, he is the only one who was bailing on this team...so we tried to go forward with the next round of tryouts in hopes that we could find a field. Yeah...our old coach/manager burned us with that too. The fields we were using were in his name. He couldn't get them transferred over to the other coach nor was he willing to work out any kind of agreement with us. It's very late in the recruiting season and most fields are already spoken for, so we had no field to continue with this venture. And with it being late in recruitment, this also means that most teams recruiting girls have already had their tryouts. That's not to say there aren't teams looking for girls, but most are either too far, daddy ball, or playing less competitive C ball. We have a lead on a team for some of our kids and got the ball rolling last night, but we're all just a big bundle of emotions.

Our coach/manager's failure to provide a legit reason, when he's notorious for being an oversharer giving way too much info, has everyone thinking the worst. One of the dads heard him saying he was shopping his kid to other teams too. That's fine if you're not trying to field a team with your kids and another organized group, but not when you're already putting together a team of your own. By having these top kids from our team and this other team committed to his new team, we never dreamed of going out and trying out for other teams. But if he was shopping his kid around outside of our organization while all of this was going on, it meant she wouldn't have to compete against the best from our two teams. So, it's possible he removed some of the competition by making us think we had a team. Even worse...assuming he knew the other coach had issues with the manager of the fields we were using, he also knew that when we tried to band together...she'd never be able to convince the field manager to let us have field time. Now this one may be stretching it, but coach/mgr and his wife supposedly had Covid and couldn't attend any of these tryouts. How convenient that you get sick just before all of this and then pull the plug. He's an anti-vaxxer and believes all kinds of insane non-scientific stuff, so it's not a total shock that his daughter was allowed to go out to the mall while they supposedly had symptoms, but considering how careless he was about considering spread prior to all of this, it wouldn't shock me if he tried to use the virus as a smokescreen to keep away from tryouts and secretly get his kid onto another team. The worst part is that he killed the friendship between his daughter and best friend by doing this.

At the end of the day, he's not very liked in softball circles and if his kid was already picked up by another team, they are going to have to gag him if they don't want him trying to interfere with their coaching...and as this season progressed, we realized we were being outcoached due to his ignorance on a lot of things. So, it could be a real mess. The big thing is when this makes its way around all of the local softball circles. It's already started to travel around by word of mouth and considering he's got such a bad reputation, this could brand his kid with a scarlet letter if enough of the truth gets out.

Sorry for the novel, but I'm just so mad. At the end of the day, these kids just want to play ball and their 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 former coach betrayed their trust and abandoned them. You have to be pretty evil to pull this crud and let down all of these kids. I'm just hoping this new opportunity a handful of us are exploring works out. We should know later this week.

Sorry...just venting.
I'm not sure I understand how all of it works in the first place, but is this elite? It doesn't sound like school ball, right? So this was the team your daughter was already on, and they were forming next year's team? Or was this changing from one level to the next? I don't understand why the team would depend on his involvement. Is it that you don't have a coach now?
 

Songbird76

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Financial aid scholarships are based on family income. One African American single mother was earning little and her kid got a free ride to Harvard. Cornell for many years had been a powerhouse in college wresting with some of the best wrestling facilities in the country. They recruit the best wrestlers, are given free ride for four years ( grant aid ) and have tutors for them for four years to assist them so the student athletes can be academically eligible to compete in wresting. Grant aid as Ivy League calls it or athletic scholarships as other colleges call it are given a free ride ( tuition, room and board ). At Duke University which is another competitive school to attend, the student athletes live in better housing and eat in separate dining areas only for athletes that includes better food options as opposed to the regular Duke student that is not an athlete. Also tutors are supplied to them to help them remain academically eligible to play sports.
Right, but that's only athletes...not every kid who applies is going in for athletics. And the amount of financial aid you get depends on the school. We were living below the poverty line and Cornell told my brother that while they had financial aid, they did not give full scholarships for academics, but he could apply for grants or low-interest loans. But it's not the same as a full scholarship. I know one girl in the music department with me got a full ride by signing a contract that she would teach in Wyoming for at least 3 years after she graduated. It was kind of like a loan...they paid for her school and she didn't really have to pay it back monetarily, she just had to stay in Wyoming to teach. I applied at Black Hills State in South Dakota, but they didn't offer academic scholarships to out of staters or something...I remember asking about scholarship opportunities, and was told the most I could get would be $2500 per year. I ended up at UW because the in-state tuition was so much cheaper, and my scholarships from local organizations would go farther, plus I was given a tuition and fees scholarship from the school itself. But it really depends on who is offering the scholarship.
 

ajrwdwgirl

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If the guy is their hockey coach now, his admission to Harvard must have been decades ago. I imagine it's slightly different now....probably a LOT more applicants, for one thing. There's been such a huge push in the last decade or so for parents to start their kids on the college track when they are in preschool. Getting them all sorts of lessons to set them apart....music, foreign languages, sports, tutoring...it's supposed to make them more competitive in the college market, and it probably does, but it seems like every kid applying to those schools have that same background, unless they are legacy kids.

Imagine what a kid has to have up his sleeve to get a full scholarship to Harvard? And what exactly does a full scholarship entail? Does it include room and board as well as tuition, fees, books, etc?

The scholarship package my student got for going to Harvard included, tuition, room & board, books, and a stipend that included traveling money so he could come back home during school breaks if he wanted to. He wasn't a stellar athlete, although he was involved in sports but the scholarship was awarded for academics. Oh and he was very involved in community service projects. His parents were/are upper middle class so no major financial hardship in his family. My student that went to Standford his package was bascially the same but his family had great financial hardship. Both very nice boys and I doubt I taught them anything in science class, they were both smarter than me (hahah) but were very humble.
 

Songbird76

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The scholarship package my student got for going to Harvard included, tuition, room & board, books, and a stipend that included traveling money so he could come back home during school breaks if he wanted to. He wasn't a stellar athlete, although he was involved in sports but the scholarship was awarded for academics. Oh and he was very involved in community service projects. His parents were/are upper middle class so no major financial hardship in his family. My student that went to Standford his package was bascially the same but his family had great financial hardship. Both very nice boys and I doubt I taught them anything in science class, they were both smarter than me (hahah) but were very humble.
Wow...he must have had amazing grades and ACT/SAT scores!!
 

HouCuseChickie

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I'm not sure I understand how all of it works in the first place, but is this elite? It doesn't sound like school ball, right? So this was the team your daughter was already on, and they were forming next year's team? Or was this changing from one level to the next? I don't understand why the team would depend on his involvement. Is it that you don't have a coach now?

It's select/travel ball, which is not tied to the school. While she will pick a college based on academics and will not be messing with the madness some people do with national teams, she would like a chance to play softball in college. Back when I was growing up, being a really good ball player for your school was all you needed to get some looks and have a chance at the collegiate level. Now, most kids need to be on some kind of private team to even be considered to play any kind of college ball.

Her team was moving up from 12U to 14U. Before the end of the season, we knew we'd be losing three girls. One was due to age (and her dad was the asst coach) and the other two were to find better coaching. Our coach doesn't have high school and collegiate level experience, so we were hitting a point this season where we started being outcoached by coaches who knew more about the game. One of the other teams we played pretty frequently was also losing a few players, and unlike us, they are coached by a woman who played college ball and coached at the high school level. So, our coach and this other team's coach had this brilliant idea that we'd blend our teams. The deal was...our team would get 5 locks and their team would get 5 locks, and then they'd hold tryouts to fill the remaining places...which could be members of our respective teams who weren't locks or random girls that showed up for tryouts that were looking for a new team. Since he is not as knowledgeable about the game, he was promoting himself to manager and letting this woman do the coaching along with the rest of her established coaching staff. By last Thursday, he was making calls to all of the girls that made the team. By Friday, he blew up...pulled the plug...has yet to give any of us a straight answer...and every single person that doesn't reside under his roof is clueless. My daughter was one of the locks, so all of our plans were for this.

It's difficult to detail why it can't work, but a lot of it comes down to having to fields to play that are convenient enough for everyone (since what we were using was the absolute limit for some of the people) and some of it was the team registration. Everything was in his name, no $ was exchanged, and he refuses to do anything to help make it work for us to get it out of his name. Example...the fields- he could keep them in his name and let them play without him being involved, but he's decided against that and letting the field manager give the field to the next group on the waiting list. The fields we've found with space are either way too far for one group or way too far for another group. They also can't access anything he registered with this national group since it's all in his name and he chose to terminate it.

I just wish I knew the real reason...was he really such an insufferable selfish brat that couldn't handle not being in control that he had to end things? Or was this something far more sinister where he used this as a smokescreen to distract the competition while he shopped his slightly above average player to other teams. He hasn't been giving clear answers to anyone, but one dad had heard him saying something about having his kid try out for other teams, another heard his man-crush on the coaches of this other team, my husband was told something about him not wanting to pay the head coach- even though they'd agreed to these terms a while back and she had no idea there was any issue with this, and then someone else said it's not the girls he wanted...like either certain kids bailed or the coach picked ones he didn't think she'd pick and he couldn't handle that it wasn't looking the way he thought it would. Literally, everyone who made the team...the full roster...got a call last Thursday to welcome them to the team. LIke I said, he's a maniacal little control freak at times, so something must have gotten in his head overnight causing him to blow up everything...unless, like I said...it was all a smokescreen to hold back the competition so his kid would get first dibs on tryouts. Either way, we have to move on and now we know what kind of person he really is.
 

Sans Souci

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LOL...yes, it's like we have our own little world and lingo.

It doesn't make a ton of sense for him to shop her around when what he was building would have likely been better than any of that, especially when you consider the coach of the other team that was blending in with us and assuming the role of head coach + she had played college ball and has coached school ball. That being said, there's a team waaaaaaaaay on the other side of town that is supposedly his softball crush...if that's a thing. I didn't know it, but one of the other dads said that he was going on and on about them while we were in FL last month...the same way a teenager might rave about the new guy she likes. It's a really good team and the manager is a former NFL pro-bowler. Not that football is a gateway to softball, but he's got connections. His girls have also been playing together since a very young age and came up through basic town recreation ball to get to this level. So, people are wondering if he somehow weaseled his kid into this team. They're a really good team, but 1. it's over a 90 minute drive to where they practice during rush hour and over 60 minutes in lighter traffic. 2. They're a good team, but he plays his kids injured. They had so many kids hurt one tournament and were on the brink of forfeiting. He put a girl up to bat who couldn't stand on both legs. The pitcher ended up walking her and a coach had to help her limp to first base before they could sub in a pinch runner in her place

If he really did this because he was trying to shop his kid around with less competition in the way, it's probably not cheating, but it's extremely dirty.

There are still some teams looking for kids, but most play in less competitive tournaments. We did find one that may work. At the very least, if they offer my daughter a spot, it will get her on the field and we know (and respect) the manager of their organization. She just found out today that her best friend got an offer from another team that they just couldn't pass up. They're both so sad, but what can you do? We'd talked to her about how they probably wouldn't be able to play together forever, but I never thought it would happen like this.

Yeah, sorry for the questions. I was just trying to figure out how it all worked. Thanks for answering!

The NFL guy makes girls play while injured? I am slack-jawed that he made a girl play who couldn't stand on both legs--and they had to help her limp to first base! What am I reading here?! That is really bad for these girls in the long run. What if their injuries don't heal correctly from lack of rest? Why are parents letting this happen? This former coach wants his daughter play for this idiot? I'd steer clear of a coach like that. It's one thing to expect players to try hard, put in the work, etc, but making kids play while injured is idiotic and cruel.

I still think there is a silver lining in this. The former couch sounds wishy-washy, so this might be a good thing yet. And maybe playing for a new team will present great opportunities for your daughter in the long run. Some times situations that look horrendous at the outset, lead to a better much than expected outcome. What is the saying, "Let go or get dragged?"
 

HouCuseChickie

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It's select/travel ball, which is not tied to the school. While she will pick a college based on academics and will not be messing with the madness some people do with national teams, she would like a chance to play softball in college. Back when I was growing up, being a really good ball player for your school was all you needed to get some looks and have a chance at the collegiate level. Now, most kids need to be on some kind of private team to even be considered to play any kind of college ball.

Her team was moving up from 12U to 14U. Before the end of the season, we knew we'd be losing three girls. One was due to age (and her dad was the asst coach) and the other two were to find better coaching. Our coach doesn't have high school and collegiate level experience, so we were hitting a point this season where we started being outcoached by coaches who knew more about the game. One of the other teams we played pretty frequently was also losing a few players, and unlike us, they are coached by a woman who played college ball and coached at the high school level. So, our coach and this other team's coach had this brilliant idea that we'd blend our teams. The deal was...our team would get 5 locks and their team would get 5 locks, and then they'd hold tryouts to fill the remaining places...which could be members of our respective teams who weren't locks or random girls that showed up for tryouts that were looking for a new team. Since he is not as knowledgeable about the game, he was promoting himself to manager and letting this woman do the coaching along with the rest of her established coaching staff. By last Thursday, he was making calls to all of the girls that made the team. By Friday, he blew up...pulled the plug...has yet to give any of us a straight answer...and every single person that doesn't reside under his roof is clueless. My daughter was one of the locks, so all of our plans were for this.

It's difficult to detail why it can't work, but a lot of it comes down to having to fields to play that are convenient enough for everyone (since what we were using was the absolute limit for some of the people) and some of it was the team registration. Everything was in his name, no $ was exchanged, and he refuses to do anything to help make it work for us to get it out of his name. Example...the fields- he could keep them in his name and let them play without him being involved, but he's decided against that and letting the field manager give the field to the next group on the waiting list. The fields we've found with space are either way too far for one group or way too far for another group. They also can't access anything he registered with this national group since it's all in his name and he chose to terminate it.

I just wish I knew the real reason...was he really such an insufferable selfish brat that couldn't handle not being in control that he had to end things? Or was this something far more sinister where he used this as a smokescreen to distract the competition while he shopped his slightly above average player to other teams. He hasn't been giving clear answers to anyone, but one dad had heard him saying something about having his kid try out for other teams, another heard his man-crush on the coaches of this other team, my husband was told something about him not wanting to pay the head coach- even though they'd agreed to these terms a while back and she had no idea there was any issue with this, and then someone else said it's not the girls he wanted...like either certain kids bailed or the coach picked ones he didn't think she'd pick and he couldn't handle that it wasn't looking the way he thought it would. Literally, everyone who made the team...the full roster...got a call last Thursday to welcome them to the team. LIke I said, he's a maniacal little control freak at times, so something must have gotten in his head overnight causing him to blow up everything...unless, like I said...it was all a smokescreen to hold back the competition so his kid would get first dibs on tryouts. Either way, we have to move on and now we know what kind of person he really is.

One other detail...apparently, there was one lock girl affiliated with the other team who needed an answer confirming for certain she was selected. Her parents live a distance and had to make arrangements. He refused to give them the green light to tell her even though she was definitely making it. So, her parents decided to let her try out for another team just to open up some options "just in case." As a result, she skipped one of the tryout sessions with this team we were forming. It made our coach nuts, but the coaches on this other team had it all worked out in 30-45 minutes. Apparently, the email to us killing the team went out during that time. When he was told it was all fixed and this girl was a yes, he said too late...the email is sent. He could have still reversed things, but his fragile ego was more important than the team. Still, it seems like such a 2-year old meltdown kind of reaction that it seems like he was looking for any reason to kill it. Because if this is all it was, this was totally fixable and never really a problem to begin with...and never would have been an issue if he just let them tell the girl. Still, the $ was supposedly part of it too...at least that's what he tried to play off with us. Ultimately, he is either in dire need of mental help for his extreme inability to cope with things or was waiting for whatever opening to kill this. I'm still leaning towards the latter of the two. He's always been a tough person to be around, but this is so far off the deep end...even for him.
 

HouCuseChickie

Well-Known Member
Yeah, sorry for the questions. I was just trying to figure out how it all worked. Thanks for answering!

The NFL guy makes girls play while injured? I am slack-jawed that he made a girl play who couldn't stand on both legs--and they had to help her limp to first base! What am I reading here?! That is really bad for these girls in the long run. What if their injuries don't heal correctly from lack of rest? Why are parents letting this happen? This former coach wants his daughter play for this idiot? I'd steer clear of a coach like that. It's one thing to expect players to try hard, put in the work, etc, but making kids play while injured is idiotic and cruel.

I still think there is a silver lining in this. The former couch sounds wishy-washy, so this might be a good thing yet. And maybe playing for a new team will present great opportunities for your daughter in the long run. Some times situations that look horrendous at the outset, lead to a better much than expected outcome. What is the saying, "Let go or get dragged?"

I'm sorry for all of the novels. We're just so angry and frustrated, but I think you're on to something with the silver lining. We were looking forward to him being out of the coaching role, which says a lot. We had stuck around because of the girls' friendships, which was one of the most important things to us. Now we're free.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of idiots out there. I remember seeing this practicing while injured things very early on when the girls were trying out gymnastics. The competitive gymnasts were there at the same time and you might see a girl with a full leg cast being asked to do things 1-legged to keep up or girls with broken arms being asked to do things with 1 arm or stuff that didn't require any arms. I know for certain their doctors wouldn't approve. With our jerk coach...I think it was one of our travel tournament this year. His daughter took a really hard hit to the spine. It knocked her on the ground and she was still for a while and very slow to get up. She was in a ridiculous amount of pain and didn't have full mobility, but he had her bat again when it was her turn. Part was pain and part was fear, but she broke down into tears while she was up there. So after forcing her to play while hurting, he then benched her and reprimanded her for being scared of the ball. Thankfully, the dr didn't find anything wrong after the fact, but he came off as quite a monster that day.

Now...hopefully...we can get these girls into better team situations. Unfortunately, we're already starting to splinter off. My daughter's best friend (on and off the field) got an offer yesterday from a top notch national team. Poor girl wanted to tell my daughter, but couldn't figure out how, so she went on mute during their FaceTime yesterday. Her mom texted me to let me know, so we heard it from her first. I wound up breaking it to my daughter while she was still muted on FaceTime. She's one of the younger girls on the team who didn't have to move up, but with the team breaking apart, it's hard to turn down an amazing offer that's at the younger age level she is still eligible to play. She's also got some assets that the other girls don't have...she's a slapper and she's high level sprinter fast. So, we're glad to see her getting an amazing opportunity. And it's not like we can't see her when there's no softball...although, there's a lot of softball!
 

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