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Sans Souci

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I've never heard of Chicago Booth...is that supposed to be a really good school?

I guess that's the thing...people expect someone from Harvard, Yale, Prinston, etc to be better than someone from a smaller school, but is that really the case? 5 years down the line, once they have some experience in their actual field, is the Harvard grad that much better than someone from a standard university? I mean, the probably had some aptitude before they even went to college, like the hockey player mentioned. He was drafted to go pro before he even got to college and chose not to. It's not Harvard's program that made him so good he could go pro. But the fact that he went to Harvard and then went pro makes it LOOK to some like Harvard's program is better. Schools spend a LOT of money recruiting those who are expected to do big things in their fields, and I'm sure they get an adequate education at the "top" schools, but if they were already so good in high school, would it make a huge difference whether they went to the University of Wyoming or to Harvard? The aptitude was there already. And once they graduate and go into the job market in whatever field, do they have a head start above those who went to a less prestigious school? And do they grow exponentially more? Statistically, does going to Harvard or Yale ensure you are MORE successful in your chosen field?

Booth is the business school at the University of Chicago. I think it's one of the top business schools globally.

Honestly, I think the competition is so fierce for admissions at these schools. It's simply not enough to have a perfect GPA and a high ACT/SAT score. You really have to differentiate yourself from other candidates in unique ways. Maybe you started a small non-profit, maybe you did a self-directed internship at a laboratory, maybe you created some new invention, but not everyone can do that.

I think if you have a fancy pants name on your resume, it gets you an interview. But I think a large part of what you're paying for is access to prestigious networking opportunities. These people typically have jobs when they graduate that they probably didn't interview for, or if they did, it was done look like it was fair.
 

Sans Souci

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Is there a way to move the nest away from where he would be doing yard work or can he just work around it? I'm assuming they are not the kind of bees to make honey, but are they helpful in ways besides pollinating?

They don't make a structure like honey bees, they just burrow into the ground or into rotting wood. There is nothing to move. I think we can work around them. We might have to let be a little weedy near their nest, but it's ok. It's not like there are 100s of bees flying in and out. I have been watching them and looks like the same 4-5 bees fly in and out, plus they are tiny! I think they are cute. I'm just glad they aren't wasps. :hilarious:
 

Sans Souci

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I did a cardio and upper body "toning" workout today. I'm doing a 2 week free trial of an app. I may or may not keep it after the trial period is over. I was attacked with kisses from a pit bull on my walk today. Her dog mom was going to take her in the car and she saw me. She started running towards me and I stopped walking, because I thought it would make it easier for her dog mom to get her. But as she got close, she cowered down and was wagging her tail. I said "Hi" and she jumped up on me and started giving me kisses. Then she ran back to her mom, who was holding the door open for her, and jumped into the car. 🥰

We might be able to see my grandma this weekend. The nursing home said they tested yesterday and will again on Friday. If both tests are clear, we can visit starting Saturday. That's when we would be flying in anyway. So, if it's meant to be, it will happen. Otherwise, we'll just push the trip out into Sept. My husband was told that he earliest he would have to report to work in NYC is January. So, we cancelled the NYC trip. It's too early to be looking for apartments now. Before this delta variant showed up, he was told mid-Sept.
 

Songbird76

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It's select/travel ball, which is not tied to the school. While she will pick a college based on academics and will not be messing with the madness some people do with national teams, she would like a chance to play softball in college. Back when I was growing up, being a really good ball player for your school was all you needed to get some looks and have a chance at the collegiate level. Now, most kids need to be on some kind of private team to even be considered to play any kind of college ball.

Her team was moving up from 12U to 14U. Before the end of the season, we knew we'd be losing three girls. One was due to age (and her dad was the asst coach) and the other two were to find better coaching. Our coach doesn't have high school and collegiate level experience, so we were hitting a point this season where we started being outcoached by coaches who knew more about the game. One of the other teams we played pretty frequently was also losing a few players, and unlike us, they are coached by a woman who played college ball and coached at the high school level. So, our coach and this other team's coach had this brilliant idea that we'd blend our teams. The deal was...our team would get 5 locks and their team would get 5 locks, and then they'd hold tryouts to fill the remaining places...which could be members of our respective teams who weren't locks or random girls that showed up for tryouts that were looking for a new team. Since he is not as knowledgeable about the game, he was promoting himself to manager and letting this woman do the coaching along with the rest of her established coaching staff. By last Thursday, he was making calls to all of the girls that made the team. By Friday, he blew up...pulled the plug...has yet to give any of us a straight answer...and every single person that doesn't reside under his roof is clueless. My daughter was one of the locks, so all of our plans were for this.

It's difficult to detail why it can't work, but a lot of it comes down to having to fields to play that are convenient enough for everyone (since what we were using was the absolute limit for some of the people) and some of it was the team registration. Everything was in his name, no $ was exchanged, and he refuses to do anything to help make it work for us to get it out of his name. Example...the fields- he could keep them in his name and let them play without him being involved, but he's decided against that and letting the field manager give the field to the next group on the waiting list. The fields we've found with space are either way too far for one group or way too far for another group. They also can't access anything he registered with this national group since it's all in his name and he chose to terminate it.

I just wish I knew the real reason...was he really such an insufferable selfish brat that couldn't handle not being in control that he had to end things? Or was this something far more sinister where he used this as a smokescreen to distract the competition while he shopped his slightly above average player to other teams. He hasn't been giving clear answers to anyone, but one dad had heard him saying something about having his kid try out for other teams, another heard his man-crush on the coaches of this other team, my husband was told something about him not wanting to pay the head coach- even though they'd agreed to these terms a while back and she had no idea there was any issue with this, and then someone else said it's not the girls he wanted...like either certain kids bailed or the coach picked ones he didn't think she'd pick and he couldn't handle that it wasn't looking the way he thought it would. Literally, everyone who made the team...the full roster...got a call last Thursday to welcome them to the team. LIke I said, he's a maniacal little control freak at times, so something must have gotten in his head overnight causing him to blow up everything...unless, like I said...it was all a smokescreen to hold back the competition so his kid would get first dibs on tryouts. Either way, we have to move on and now we know what kind of person he really is.
Hrmmm...it sounds like it's not just about getting his daughter on a better team, but also about the daughter not having to compete with the best girls alltogether. Giving up the field time in his name so your girls can't practice....if he'd let them practice there on the fields in his name, his daughter's team would likely have to play against yours at some point. By taking away their practice fields, he prevents them from actually being a team, and therefore eliminates the competetion. I'd hate to think that's what he was going for, but even so, that's the result. Is there some sort of organization or board with whom you can file a complaint? Is there a way to hold him accountable? Can you contact the fields where he reserved and explain what he did so you could switch names on the reservation? I feel bad for his daughter, because she's the one who loses in this situation. Her name is now mud, she loses the bonds she has with the other girls, and it's bound to get out to whatever team she lands on, IF anyone will take her on after this. Some might just decide it's not worth the drama he could bring.
 

Songbird76

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Yeah, sorry for the questions. I was just trying to figure out how it all worked. Thanks for answering!

The NFL guy makes girls play while injured? I am slack-jawed that he made a girl play who couldn't stand on both legs--and they had to help her limp to first base! What am I reading here?! That is really bad for these girls in the long run. What if their injuries don't heal correctly from lack of rest? Why are parents letting this happen? This former coach wants his daughter play for this idiot? I'd steer clear of a coach like that. It's one thing to expect players to try hard, put in the work, etc, but making kids play while injured is idiotic and cruel.

I still think there is a silver lining in this. The former couch sounds wishy-washy, so this might be a good thing yet. And maybe playing for a new team will present great opportunities for your daughter in the long run. Some times situations that look horrendous at the outset, lead to a better much than expected outcome. What is the saying, "Let go or get dragged?"
That shocked me, too....and how can he make them play injured without parental consent? I'd just keep my kid home. What's he going to do, come to my house and kidnap my daughter and hold a gun to her head to make her play? It should be the parents' decision and I doubt he can force it. The most he can do is threaten them to kick them off the team, in which case I'd say they are better off with a different team.

Maybe that will start to get better....if Simone Biles' pulling out of the team and individuals competitions at the olympics taught us anything, it's that athletes need to advocate for their safety and well-being, because coaches won't. Hopefully people will start seeing that it's ok to say no for health reasons.
 

Songbird76

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I'm sorry for all of the novels. We're just so angry and frustrated, but I think you're on to something with the silver lining. We were looking forward to him being out of the coaching role, which says a lot. We had stuck around because of the girls' friendships, which was one of the most important things to us. Now we're free.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of idiots out there. I remember seeing this practicing while injured things very early on when the girls were trying out gymnastics. The competitive gymnasts were there at the same time and you might see a girl with a full leg cast being asked to do things 1-legged to keep up or girls with broken arms being asked to do things with 1 arm or stuff that didn't require any arms. I know for certain their doctors wouldn't approve. With our jerk coach...I think it was one of our travel tournament this year. His daughter took a really hard hit to the spine. It knocked her on the ground and she was still for a while and very slow to get up. She was in a ridiculous amount of pain and didn't have full mobility, but he had her bat again when it was her turn. Part was pain and part was fear, but she broke down into tears while she was up there. So after forcing her to play while hurting, he then benched her and reprimanded her for being scared of the ball. Thankfully, the dr didn't find anything wrong after the fact, but he came off as quite a monster that day.

Now...hopefully...we can get these girls into better team situations. Unfortunately, we're already starting to splinter off. My daughter's best friend (on and off the field) got an offer yesterday from a top notch national team. Poor girl wanted to tell my daughter, but couldn't figure out how, so she went on mute during their FaceTime yesterday. Her mom texted me to let me know, so we heard it from her first. I wound up breaking it to my daughter while she was still muted on FaceTime. She's one of the younger girls on the team who didn't have to move up, but with the team breaking apart, it's hard to turn down an amazing offer that's at the younger age level she is still eligible to play. She's also got some assets that the other girls don't have...she's a slapper and she's high level sprinter fast. So, we're glad to see her getting an amazing opportunity. And it's not like we can't see her when there's no softball...although, there's a lot of softball!
I'm assuming this is Sam's team, not Kendall's? U12 and U14 refer to ages, right? And I thought you mentioned that Sam is more invested in softball than Kendall? This must be heartbreaking for all the girls. I hope you can find a team yet. What happens if it falls through? Will she be able to try out next year? I know she'd miss out on a year of training, but are there private coaches who could help her keep her skills up until she had a chance to try out for a new team? Do they only try out once each year, or are there 2 seasons per year?
 

HouCuseChickie

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I'm assuming this is Sam's team, not Kendall's? U12 and U14 refer to ages, right? And I thought you mentioned that Sam is more invested in softball than Kendall? This must be heartbreaking for all the girls. I hope you can find a team yet. What happens if it falls through? Will she be able to try out next year? I know she'd miss out on a year of training, but are there private coaches who could help her keep her skills up until she had a chance to try out for a new team? Do they only try out once each year, or are there 2 seasons per year?

Yes, this is Sam. Every child impacted by this is in the 12-13 year age range. Kendall has opted to just stick with school ball, since she learned how hard it is to juggle a full academic schedule and club travel ball. You really need to stay in the game, so we've started shopping her (Sam) around to other teams. She had a private tryout for one on Sunday and was part of a group practice with them on Monday. Tonight, she's doing a group practice with another team and tryouts tomorrow. We have a few other options, but one is a longer drive than we'd really like and the other two would be steps backwards...like we'd only use them to keep her playing while we look for other options. Sam is also going to be trying out for school volleyball next week, so I'd like her secure with a team before she has to work on that. Things are typically broken up by two seasons per age group...so 16U would be the next time she moves up. We really need her settled in a team at that point because that's when it gets really serious. Ultimately, we need to get her on the field playing ASAP. This may sound like overkill, but I'm going to start using my camera gear to create a YouTube channel with her highlights. We're also going to be keeping a list of teams we've played and notes on what we think of them. If at any time Sam decides she wants to move on from wherever we're at, we'll reach out to teams privately and see if we can arrange something mid-season.

Tonight should be interesting...the girls have batting with their private coach. Sam is skipping to make it to this open practice for this other team, but I'll be taking Kendall. Our coach works with Sam and three other girls from her old team. The other main batting coach in there works with Sam's best friend and is the manager of the club that Sam looked at Sunday and Monday. I'm anticipating a lot of questions. I know they both know that things blew up and while they had been urging Sam to move on, they both manage teams and have a lot of experience.
 

Sans Souci

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I'm sorry for all of the novels. We're just so angry and frustrated, but I think you're on to something with the silver lining. We were looking forward to him being out of the coaching role, which says a lot. We had stuck around because of the girls' friendships, which was one of the most important things to us. Now we're free.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of idiots out there. I remember seeing this practicing while injured things very early on when the girls were trying out gymnastics. The competitive gymnasts were there at the same time and you might see a girl with a full leg cast being asked to do things 1-legged to keep up or girls with broken arms being asked to do things with 1 arm or stuff that didn't require any arms. I know for certain their doctors wouldn't approve. With our jerk coach...I think it was one of our travel tournament this year. His daughter took a really hard hit to the spine. It knocked her on the ground and she was still for a while and very slow to get up. She was in a ridiculous amount of pain and didn't have full mobility, but he had her bat again when it was her turn. Part was pain and part was fear, but she broke down into tears while she was up there. So after forcing her to play while hurting, he then benched her and reprimanded her for being scared of the ball. Thankfully, the dr didn't find anything wrong after the fact, but he came off as quite a monster that day.

Now...hopefully...we can get these girls into better team situations. Unfortunately, we're already starting to splinter off. My daughter's best friend (on and off the field) got an offer yesterday from a top notch national team. Poor girl wanted to tell my daughter, but couldn't figure out how, so she went on mute during their FaceTime yesterday. Her mom texted me to let me know, so we heard it from her first. I wound up breaking it to my daughter while she was still muted on FaceTime. She's one of the younger girls on the team who didn't have to move up, but with the team breaking apart, it's hard to turn down an amazing offer that's at the younger age level she is still eligible to play. She's also got some assets that the other girls don't have...she's a slapper and she's high level sprinter fast. So, we're glad to see her getting an amazing opportunity. And it's not like we can't see her when there's no softball...although, there's a lot of softball!

Wow. That's awful about his daughter getting badly hurt and making her get back in the game. It's not only the physical pain she had to endure, but he humiliated her in front of everybody. No wonder she was crying, her own freaking parent wasn't looking out in her best interests. Children remember this and they become adults, that can result in partial or complete estrangement. I do feel sorry for this girl. Not only does she have a father like that, but she is associated with him, so that can affect how others view her and treat her, especially kids.
 

HouCuseChickie

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OK...a break from softball drama...

I previously posted that I'd be pushing myself to get back into working out once school started for the girls. Well, school started yesterday, so I got back in the gym yesterday. I was back at it again today. I'm taking a slightly different approach that seems to be working for now, but we'll see how it goes.

Both days, I biked for 30 minutes after dropping K off at school and before logging into work. Day 1 = 9.27 miles, Day 2 = 9.51 miles. Yesterday, I had several meetings where I didn't have to do much in the way of typing or talking, so I did three sets of my typical arm work, I added in a little bit of stretchy legwork I haven't done in ages, and some more traditional stretching. During lunch, I did another thing I haven't done in ages...got on the floor with the ball and did my old ab routine. During today's meeting, I focused on legs doing five different barre type moves...10 reps per leg/3 sets, I was back on the floor for abs again today, and also added in this sort of butterfly shoulder and back workout with light weights- 3 sets of those.

I've noticed my appetite has decreased a lot since I went off my anxiety meds. I was having a number of side effects, including being crazy hungry, and I was no longer really feeling the mental benefit...so I just stopped. So, that's gotta help too. Now to get my sleep back in check.
 

Sans Souci

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That shocked me, too....and how can he make them play injured without parental consent? I'd just keep my kid home. What's he going to do, come to my house and kidnap my daughter and hold a gun to her head to make her play? It should be the parents' decision and I doubt he can force it. The most he can do is threaten them to kick them off the team, in which case I'd say they are better off with a different team.

Maybe that will start to get better....if Simone Biles' pulling out of the team and individuals competitions at the olympics taught us anything, it's that athletes need to advocate for their safety and well-being, because coaches won't. Hopefully people will start seeing that it's ok to say no for health reasons.

I understand this like a higher level of softball and more is expected of these girls, but this guy sounds like a tool.

I am hoping things get better for young athletes, too. Just because things have always been that way, doesn't mean they shouldn't change. I was reading in the Olympics thread, someone was saying she choked. So what if she did? What does she have to prove at this point in her career? I can't imagine carrying around that burden of being the "GOAT" in your sport. She has performed maneuvers nobody else has and her pulling out of the games will never diminish that.
 

HouCuseChickie

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Wow. That's awful about his daughter getting badly hurt and making her get back in the game. It's not only the physical pain she had to endure, but he humiliated her in front of everybody. No wonder she was crying, her own freaking parent wasn't looking out in her best interests. Children remember this and they become adults, that can result in partial or complete estrangement. I do feel sorry for this girl. Not only does she have a father like that, but she is associated with him, so that can affect how others view her and treat her, especially kids.

It's interesting, because at one point, we privately accused her of being a stereotypical "Coach's Kid." Bratty, lazy, rude/mean without remorse and underperforms, but rarely gets scolded or benched. So, seeing her treated like this when something legitimately was wrong was so baffling to me. Unfortunately, she's also a product of her environment, and his toxic nature carries over in some ways to her. The first day, when we all were shocked and confused, the girl on the team who was coach's daughter's best friend reached out to find out what happened. It sounded like she just nonchalantly said "there's no team, there's just no team"- like it was not a big deal. Which leads me to believe even more that this involves her and she's know about some private plan to kill this for a while. A 13 year old doesn't magically give up their best friend in one day without some serious preliminary coaching. Like she's been manipulated to see this as the better way.
 

HouCuseChickie

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I understand this like a higher level of softball and more is expected of these girls, but this guy sounds like a tool.

I am hoping things get better for young athletes, too. Just because things have always been that way, doesn't mean they shouldn't change. I was reading in the Olympics thread, someone was saying she choked. So what if she did? What does she have to prove at this point in her career? I can't imagine carrying around that burden of being the "GOAT" in your sport. She has performed maneuvers nobody else has and her pulling out of the games will never diminish that.

Yes, I think it all comes down to him. Whether his ego and need to be in control are too fragile to allow anyone else to coach his team or he did something even more sinister and set us all up so his daughter could get picked up without the extra competition of our girls...it's all him.

Yeah, the Olympics this time brought some very interesting things to light on the psychology of the athlete, the things they've endured to get to these places, and the mental torture they sometimes deal with through it all. It's part of why we keep telling our kids that we're not playing for scholarships. We want them to have the foundation to be able to play at the higher level if they choose to try and walk on, but this also won't rule their lives like you seem to see with so many elite level sports. i.e. I still want to be able to take my family on vacations and not be a slave to tournaments. clinics and coaching all the time.
 

Sans Souci

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I did a rebounder and lower body w/o this AM. This app I am trying out has an option where it will create a workout for you. You can select w/o length, what kind of cardio and which body parts you want to workout. I don't use my rebounder that much other than warm ups and sometimes I will do high impact moves on there, instead of the floor to save my knees. This was hard. I was worried about falling off because I wasn't used to doing these moves on a trampoline.

I also got out for a walk, but I kept it short, because it's garbage day and we're under and excessive heat warning. I sweat so much when it's like this and seems like no matter how much cold water I drink the rest of the day, I don't feel hydrated. I am hoping keeping it short and drinking my water will prevent me from waking up with a headache in the AM.

My husband and I are thinking of pulling out of our WDW trip. Not because of our stubborn son, but because I don't feel comfortable going somewhere that is knee deep in covid cases and trying to enjoy myself. I don't know. We're giving it a couple weeks before we pull the plug.
 

StarWarsGirl

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My husband and I are thinking of pulling out of our WDW trip. Not because of our stubborn son, but because I don't feel comfortable going somewhere that is knee deep in covid cases and trying to enjoy myself. I don't know. We're giving it a couple weeks before we pull the plug
Yeah, my dad had a freakout all the sudden a few days ago over me not being vaccinated. He suddenly was like, "Can you get vaccinated before our trip?" I was like, um, no Dad, I can't. He was like, "Well, can't you get J&J?" Um, no Dad. That's the one my doctor said absolutely not to get. Then we went through the whole thing all over again. He finally concluded that no, I cannot get vaccinated before the trip.

I think it'll be okay because of Disney's mask requirement. Plus, based on the charts, it looks like Florida got to their peak, so now it's going to go down from there.

For me, the other thing is that August and September are my worst breathing months here and by September, I'm going to need a break. Back in 2019, I had to go to the ER with my asthma. No good reason that we can figure out; just stopped breathing. And my parents were in WDW, and my mom's best friend who I ordinarily would have called, was in Ocean City, so I just got in the car and drove to the ER. Not one of my finer moments. My thought process was, "I am NOT paying for an ambulance." 🙄
 

Sans Souci

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Yeah, my dad had a freakout all the sudden a few days ago over me not being vaccinated. He suddenly was like, "Can you get vaccinated before our trip?" I was like, um, no Dad, I can't. He was like, "Well, can't you get J&J?" Um, no Dad. That's the one my doctor said absolutely not to get. Then we went through the whole thing all over again. He finally concluded that no, I cannot get vaccinated before the trip.

I think it'll be okay because of Disney's mask requirement. Plus, based on the charts, it looks like Florida got to their peak, so now it's going to go down from there.

For me, the other thing is that August and September are my worst breathing months here and by September, I'm going to need a break. Back in 2019, I had to go to the ER with my asthma. No good reason that we can figure out; just stopped breathing. And my parents were in WDW, and my mom's best friend who I ordinarily would have called, was in Ocean City, so I just got in the car and drove to the ER. Not one of my finer moments. My thought process was, "I am NOT paying for an ambulance." 🙄

I don't even know how much ambulances cost. I thought they are at least partially funded through taxes, but I guess they charge for services rendered, drugs administered, etc.

Yeah, I am started to get a little worried about this variant. I keep seeing stories of young people on vents and it's freaking me out.

It's not so much about the masks and ride queues I am worried about, it's the dining that worries me. We only have three restaurants booked for the week and only one I know for sure has outdoor seating. People are saying the tables are close together again and everything is like it's 2019 again. I really don't want to eat fast food all week.

What kind of mask do you wear when you are down there? I bought some Korean F 94s, but I have cloth ones. I bought the Korean ones because I am flying to Chicago this weekend and I am worried about being in a crowded airport, I am also spending time in a nursing home. But I am wondering if I can get away with cloth ones at WDW.
 

Sans Souci

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Today I did a total body workout. It was just a mix of everything in 30 minutes. I went out for a walk and kept it short, too. We're still under an excessive heat warning.

I got an email from American saying they are hiring for flight attendants again. I need to think about it. For starters, I find the interview process time-consuming. From the video interview, to getting to the face to face interview and the actual interview itself. I hated being spied upon, they make you walk from the back of the room to the front to watch your gait. Are FAs there to keep passengers safe or are they runway models? Pick a lane. It's a 4 hour interview and it's exhausting. Plus, I don't like what I am seeing on the news. But, I keep thinking I should give it another try. I like the unpredictability of the job. I would like to help people and possibly make the difference between a good flight and a bad flight. I will discuss my concerns with my husband and I will think about it over the weekend. I am flying American this weekend, so I'll see how I feel after flying them. I can always tart up my cover letter and resume in the meantime, that will be the easiest part of this. I'll see what my tarot cards suggest. :)
 

Sans Souci

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Yes, I think it all comes down to him. Whether his ego and need to be in control are too fragile to allow anyone else to coach his team or he did something even more sinister and set us all up so his daughter could get picked up without the extra competition of our girls...it's all him.

Yeah, the Olympics this time brought some very interesting things to light on the psychology of the athlete, the things they've endured to get to these places, and the mental torture they sometimes deal with through it all. It's part of why we keep telling our kids that we're not playing for scholarships. We want them to have the foundation to be able to play at the higher level if they choose to try and walk on, but this also won't rule their lives like you seem to see with so many elite level sports. i.e. I still want to be able to take my family on vacations and not be a slave to tournaments. clinics and coaching all the time.

Talking about mental health what was once acceptable vs what is no longer tolerated. I watched some 40 minute video on YouTube yesterday about The Shining. It proposed that Wendy Torrance is hallucinating that Jack is a danger. Anyway, it made me think about how poorly Stanley Kubrick treated Shelly Duvall on the set of that movie. He made the cast and crew ostracize her and he would publicly belittle her, so he could get these tearful, panic and anxiety-ridden scenes from her. She said she lost hair from the stress of working with him and this went on for over a year. I would hope that this sort of thing would not be tolerated today. People say, "Oh, he was such a perfectionist." So what? Does that give someone the right to traumatize and torment another person, in the name of art?

I remember a few years ago, there was a news story about her having an untreated mental illness and I have to wonder if this experience was the nexus for it.
 

HouCuseChickie

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I don't even know how much ambulances cost. I thought they are at least partially funded through taxes, but I guess they charge for services rendered, drugs administered, etc.

Yeah, I am started to get a little worried about this variant. I keep seeing stories of young people on vents and it's freaking me out.

It's not so much about the masks and ride queues I am worried about, it's the dining that worries me. We only have three restaurants booked for the week and only one I know for sure has outdoor seating. People are saying the tables are close together again and everything is like it's 2019 again. I really don't want to eat fast food all week.

What kind of mask do you wear when you are down there? I bought some Korean F 94s, but I have cloth ones. I bought the Korean ones because I am flying to Chicago this weekend and I am worried about being in a crowded airport, I am also spending time in a nursing home. But I am wondering if I can get away with cloth ones at WDW.

I don't know if it would help, but before our last trip, we bought "eating masks." They were annoying and we wound up not using them as much as we should have, but it involves a large opening around the mouth with a velcro flap you keep fastened until you need to eat or drink. Your nose stays covered the entire time. There's still some risk, they shift around a bit making them kind of annoying, and you have to wash them regularly...still, something like this could add some peace of mind.
 

HouCuseChickie

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Talking about mental health what was once acceptable vs what is no longer tolerated. I watched some 40 minute video on YouTube yesterday about The Shining. It proposed that Wendy Torrance is hallucinating that Jack is a danger. Anyway, it made me think about how poorly Stanley Kubrick treated Shelly Duvall on the set of that movie. He made the cast and crew ostracize her and he would publicly belittle her, so he could get these tearful, panic and anxiety-ridden scenes from her. She said she lost hair from the stress of working with him and this went on for over a year. I would hope that this sort of thing would not be tolerated today. People say, "Oh, he was such a perfectionist." So what? Does that give someone the right to traumatize and torment another person, in the name of art?

I remember a few years ago, there was a news story about her having an untreated mental illness and I have to wonder if this experience was the nexus for it.

I'm not sure what prompted me to go looking, but several months ago I was inspired to Google Shelly Duvall and was horrified to read about what was done to elicit that kind of "acting" response. It's always been a movie I kind of enjoy in my Halloween lineup, but I don't think I can ever look at it again. Yet, part of me feels I need to keep it there...not to celebrate what was done to her...but as a reminder of the mental mistreatment that has been allowed over the years that has ultimately destroyed people.
 

StarWarsGirl

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I don't even know how much ambulances cost. I thought they are at least partially funded through taxes, but I guess they charge for services rendered, drugs administered, etc.

Yeah, I am started to get a little worried about this variant. I keep seeing stories of young people on vents and it's freaking me out.

It's not so much about the masks and ride queues I am worried about, it's the dining that worries me. We only have three restaurants booked for the week and only one I know for sure has outdoor seating. People are saying the tables are close together again and everything is like it's 2019 again. I really don't want to eat fast food all week.

What kind of mask do you wear when you are down there? I bought some Korean F 94s, but I have cloth ones. I bought the Korean ones because I am flying to Chicago this weekend and I am worried about being in a crowded airport, I am also spending time in a nursing home. But I am wondering if I can get away with cloth ones at WDW.
I keep telling my parents the same thing I told them at the beginning of this pandemic: I'd probably be okay if I got covid. Not that I think I'm invincible, but I have a nebulizer with two medications, plus I stashed away a bunch of Prednisone when this pandemic started. So if I did somehow get it, I would immediately start on the prednisone and the nebulizer so I wouldn't get to the point of needing the ventilator. I also think I probably had it already, but that's another story.

We were there in July and the tables were still far apart. Chefs de France they were using part of the Mousier Paul space, so we ate upstairs. It wasn't crowded at all. Trattoria Al Forno also had the tables spaced far away; it wasn't bad. They also have a few outdoor tables, so I do recommend there. Teppan Edo still had Plexi glass in between groups at tables. Brown Derby had good spacing in between tables. We ate at La Hacienda and felt comfortable there as well; their ceilings are nice and high. The only one I really wasn't fine with was Prime Time. We don't recommend eating at non-Disney operated restaurants like the ones at Disney Springs; the spacing was not good there. We also keep out masks on until we're actually eating, and then they go right back on.

I use the Disney cloth masks pretty much...everywhere. Paper masks of any kind in the heat are not good. I bought more so I can have one plus a spare during the day.
 

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