Figment2005
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Pretty much. For most roles now full time is a minimum of 32 hours.I've heard they are trying to change the definition of full time to 40hours a week as well.
Pretty much. For most roles now full time is a minimum of 32 hours.I've heard they are trying to change the definition of full time to 40hours a week as well.
If you look, historically, at minimum wage vs inflation, you'll find that one is climbing much faster than the other. I'm not a 99% protester who drinks Starbucks while sitting on the street yelling for a better life, I'm working more than 40 hours a week trying to climb a ladder so I can do more than scrape by. So are most CMs.If John Doe could get a job somewhere else making more where he wouldn't have to struggle to get by... he probably would... if he couldn't then he might take a job that was offered to him at Disney.... because that's still better than no job (and most people would say better than some jobs making more money)
let's take McD's for example... if there was a new law saying everyone had to at least start out making $10/hr there... your little value menu and value meals aren't exactly a value anymore (or they will get rid or other workers to help offset the new cost)
Big minimum rage increase = high costs for products/service/items, etc. and/or lost jobs
therefore
Big minimum rage increase = not much help...those "struggling" would still struggle
I have to take Disney's side in this battle. It is far from the PR nightmare a business like Wal-Mart is facing. Look at the benefits CM's have
Discounts at select Walt Disney World and Disneyland dining, merchandise, and recreation locations
Discounts at select Walt Disney World and Disneyland Resort hotels
Disney Cruise Line Discounts
Discounts at participating local businesses
Theme park admission for cast members
Cast member exclusive sneak previews of new attractions, parks, and resorts
Wellness programs
On-site health fairs and seminars
Life-management services
Cast member clubs, instructional programs, and sports leagues
Credit union membership
The compensation CMs get is much more than just their hourly wage and it is a much better working environment than almost anywhere else a person can find. That is why so many people all over the world want to work there. There are plenty of college interns willing to take the place of any disgruntled entry level employee.
Pretty much. For most roles now full time is a minimum of 32 hours.
If you're in your early 20s, no kids, maybe you don't mind sharing an apartment with 3 or more people and taking advantage of those awesome discounts.
If you're a working single mom, those discounts are a poor substitute for nutritious meals, a roof over your head in a safe neighborhood with a decent school system, or savings for your kids' college.
I know, I know, no one says you have to work there and it's very easy to just up and quit one job and go look for another one. Which is why nobody who is currently unemployed has been so for years. Oh, wait, chronic unemployment is such a thing some politicians are suggesting incentives to businesses to hire people who've been out of work longer than 1 or 2 years, especially if those unemployed are also veterans.
If you don't like it quit. Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps, and apply for a job with 3 openings and 300 applicants. I am sure those other 297 will get great jobs too. And if you don't get it, do it again, and again, and again. And in the meantime, just, I dunno, make money appear from thin air.
I fall on both sides of this argument. I think a forced min wage hike is counter productive. Some jobs just don't deserve $10 per hour.
Disney should probably take a page out of Costcos book though. Just cause min wage is $8 doesn't mean a place like WDW should be paying that. Guest facing CMs charged with providing a magical experience for guests paying in the thousands for that experience, should be of a higher quality and should be paid as such.
Oh good grief where do I even begin
First off its supply and demand ....if there are people lined up to work for what they are making now they aren't going to set a much higher minimum wage across the board with the current workers.
You're essentially argruing against the dignity of The Worker, the notion that someone willing to work a full time job should be allowed to work in poverty if the employer won't pay them a livable wage and if The Worker agrees to it, it's his or her fault (see rant above)Sure someone making $8.45 would like to make $10 just like someone making $50 would like to make $51. We all want more regardless of what we make and where we are but wait for it...wait for it....Disney is running a business...not just a theme park for us on the forums
All research into raising the minimum wage proves contrary to your "simple business logic." If it did, we'd have never raised the minimum wage from the time it was created. Economists have studied states that raised the minimum wage higher than the federal M.W and compared them to nearby communities in states that haven't (e.g. the eastern-most communities in one state close to the western-most communities in another state with comparable demographics) and they've found the increase in the minimum wage does nothing to increase unemployment in the state that increased the wage, and a decrease in federal aid like SNAP. If you were to increase the minimum wage to say $20-25 an hour (as doomsayers keep rhetorically suggesting) then you probably would. Which is probably why no one is suggesting that (except rhetorical doomsayers).Simple business logic (that many running the country don't have) is that if you raise the minimum wage by a substantial margin across the board two things will happen a) cost of items will go up and then it won't matter that people are making more or b) more people will lose jobs because the businesses they are running have to offset the cost somehow
Again, we're talking about paying people enough to live on without government assistance, not enough to retire on in 3 years. If workers are paid so low they can't survive, they get federal assistance that you and I pay for. If they get a livable wage, then by and large who pays for that increase are people who use the business or service those workers help provide or produce. Which might not be you.I agree most companies are very top heavy and the range is massive from bottom to top pay...but taking from Peter to give give to Paul who doesn't have to work as hard anymore to move up in pay or playing Robin Hood isn't going to solve anything
They'd lose repeat business, so you can bet that increase in salary will not prevent them from building additional attractions to the parks. They'll just add it to the ticket increase they tend to do at least once a year anyway. If WDW had 60,000 employees and they all got an extra 6 bucks an hour and averaged 40 hours a week, that'd be nearly an additional 750 million dollars a year. Roughly 14 million people visit the parks each year. If they just added that 750 to ticket prices, your average ticket would be an extra $53.48. But of course, they could add it incrementally across all manners of service, food, souvenirs, lodging, mini-golf, spa treatments. They could also choose, unlikely as it is, to only pass some of those cost to their consumers, pass a little of it on to their profit margin, then ride the public relations train with a "we care more about people than profits" shpiel that makes consumers have the warm and fuzzies about Disney and makes them think about going back to the parks as a way of "giving back" to a multibillion dollar corporation.So what if Disney or Uni decided to give every cast member or front line employee $15 an hour across the board but because of this it keeps them from building anything new for the next 15 years and making cuts elsewhere?
Guest facing CMs charged with providing a magical experience for guests paying in the thousands for that experience, should be of a higher quality and should be paid as such.
That's where you and I disagree. If you're willing to show up at a job and do the job and work 40-50 hours a week at the job, you shouldn't then have to go apply for assistance during your lunch break. You should be able to, at the very very least, survive. That's what the minimum wage was designed to be, the bare-bones livable wage so people didn't live in poverty. If a business' long-term plan for profit and growth involves paying their workers so little they have to be subsidized by other taxpayers to live, they're doing capitalism wrong.I fall on both sides of this argument. I think a forced min wage hike is counter productive. Some jobs just don't deserve $10 per hour.
You really think those $9 an hour CM's can afford to take a cruise, even a discounted one? The people who regularly take advantage of those discounts are managers and CP's with rich parents.
Yep. One of the Disney villains that gets no loveAlso, @hakunamatata, dat avatar![]()
Those benefits are utterly USELESSI have to take Disney's side in this battle. It is far from the PR nightmare a business like Wal-Mart is facing. Look at the benefits CM's have
Discounts at select Walt Disney World and Disneyland dining, merchandise, and recreation locations
Discounts at select Walt Disney World and Disneyland Resort hotels
Disney Cruise Line Discounts
Discounts at participating local businesses
Theme park admission for cast members
Cast member exclusive sneak previews of new attractions, parks, and resorts
Wellness programs
On-site health fairs and seminars
Life-management services
Cast member clubs, instructional programs, and sports leagues
Credit union membership
The compensation CMs get is much more than just their hourly wage and it is a much better working environment than almost anywhere else a person can find. That is why so many people all over the world want to work there. There are plenty of college interns willing to take the place of any disgruntled entry level employee.
Oh good grief where do I even begin
Simple business logic (that many running the country don't have) is that if you raise the minimum wage by a substantial margin across the board two things will happen a) cost of items will go up and then it won't matter that people are making more or b) more people will lose jobs because the businesses they are running have to offset the cost somehow
If you look, historically, at minimum wage vs inflation, you'll find that one is climbing much faster than the other. I'm not a 99% protester who drinks Starbucks while sitting on the street yelling for a better life, I'm working more than 40 hours a week trying to climb a ladder so I can do more than scrape by. So are most CMs.
And if you're happy paying CMs minimum wage, oh my lord, I had better never hear you even START to complain about the service you receive from a frontline employee.
McDonalds should not have better service than WDW. WDW should have the best frontline service of all other companies.
That's where you and I disagree. If you're willing to show up at a job and do the job and work 40-50 hours a week at the job, you shouldn't then have to go apply for assistance during your lunch break. You should be able to, at the very very least, survive. That's what the minimum wage was designed to be, the bare-bones livable wage so people didn't live in poverty. If a business' long-term plan for profit and growth involves paying their workers so little they have to be subsidized by other taxpayers to live, they're doing capitalism wrong.
That's where you and I disagree. If you're willing to show up at a job and do the job and work 40-50 hours a week at the job, you shouldn't then have to go apply for assistance during your lunch break. You should be able to, at the very very least, survive. That's what the minimum wage was designed to be, the bare-bones livable wage so people didn't live in poverty. If a business' long-term plan for profit and growth involves paying their workers so little they have to be subsidized by other taxpayers to live, they're doing capitalism wrong.
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