rob0519
Well-Known Member
Same here.
My take home pay has not increased in 10 years. I'm sure I make more than a WDW parks employee though. There is a difference between minimum wage and a living wage.
Same here.
Bless this ^ Also in before the thread lockdown!Being that the folks on this board have always skewed to the right I've gotta believe this will devolve into the typical defense of da man and corporate America, with the usual ignorant comments about no one forces anyone to work at WDW and why should Disney pay anyone (other than management) much more than $8 an hour?
This is a company that keeps announcing record profits. This is a company with employees living three and four to an old Best Western on US 192 to avoid sleeping in cars. This is a company that bull$hits the world that it still represents old man Disney's morals and ethics when it absolutely does not.
But let's all jump on the workers. The only things that matter is how well Wall Street and Big Business are doing. Screw the workers! Can you imagine that someone working for $8.45 an hour might like to make $9 or $10?
Really? All that is fine and dandy, but it doesn't pay the bills!!!I have to take Disney's side in this battle. It is far from the PR nightmare a business like Wal-Mart is facing. Look at the benefits CM's have
Discounts at select Walt Disney World and Disneyland dining, merchandise, and recreation locations
Discounts at select Walt Disney World and Disneyland Resort hotels
Disney Cruise Line Discounts
Discounts at participating local businesses
Theme park admission for cast members
Cast member exclusive sneak previews of new attractions, parks, and resorts
Wellness programs
On-site health fairs and seminars
Life-management services
Cast member clubs, instructional programs, and sports leagues
Credit union membership
Being that the folks on this board have always skewed to the right I've gotta believe this will devolve into the typical defense of da man and corporate America, with the usual ignorant comments about no one forces anyone to work at WDW and why should Disney pay anyone (other than management) much more than $8 an hour?
This is a company that keeps announcing record profits. This is a company with employees living three and four to an old Best Western on US 192 to avoid sleeping in cars. This is a company that bull$hits the world that it still represents old man Disney's morals and ethics when it absolutely does not.
But let's all jump on the workers. The only things that matter is how well Wall Street and Big Business are doing. Screw the workers! Can you imagine that someone working for $8.45 an hour might like to make $9 or $10?
This is a transparent argument.Oh good grief where do I even begin
First off its supply and demand ....if there are people lined up to work for what they are making now they aren't going to set a much higher minimum wage across the board with the current workers. A lot of people work for Disney as a CM for various reasons things like the college program...and how good Disney looks on a resume, etc.
Sure someone making $8.45 would like to make $10 just like someone making $50 would like to make $51. We all want more regardless of what we make and where we are but wait for it...wait for it....Disney is running a business...not just a theme park for us on the forums
No one is coming down on the workers....maybe the unions in general but not the individual workers.
Simple business logic (that many running the country don't have) is that if you raise the minimum wage by a substantial margin across the board two things will happen a) cost of items will go up and then it won't matter that people are making more or b) more people will lose jobs because the businesses they are running have to offset the cost somehow
I agree most companies are very top heavy and the range is massive from bottom to top pay...but taking from Peter to give give to Paul who doesn't have to work as hard anymore to move up in pay or playing Robin Hood isn't going to solve anything
So what if Disney or Uni decided to give every cast member or front line employee $15 an hour across the board but because of this it keeps them from building anything new for the next 15 years and making cuts elsewhere?
I have to take Disney's side in this battle. It is far from the PR nightmare a business like Wal-Mart is facing. Look at the benefits CM's have
Discounts at select Walt Disney World and Disneyland dining, merchandise, and recreation locations
Discounts at select Walt Disney World and Disneyland Resort hotels
Disney Cruise Line Discounts
Discounts at participating local businesses
Theme park admission for cast members
Cast member exclusive sneak previews of new attractions, parks, and resorts
Wellness programs
On-site health fairs and seminars
Life-management services
Cast member clubs, instructional programs, and sports leagues
Credit union membership
The compensation CMs get is much more than just their hourly wage and it is a much better working environment than almost anywhere else a person can find. That is why so many people all over the world want to work there. There are plenty of college interns willing to take the place of any disgruntled entry level employee.
Sorry, but pay raises are a normal and an essential part of the economy and of the workplace. I don't grudge any cast member a pay raise, whether management or not. CMs are an essential component of Disney's success and a key part of Disney's difference when compared to competitors.
Actually, I believe the anecdotal evidence on the effects of raising the minimum wage have been neutral at worst. And as for the costs of goods being raised, Disney hasn't been bashful about raising its ticket prices (~60% increase over the past nine years) or food and merchandise costs (to say nothing of its room rates) without any dramatic increase in worker pay. And they've been cutting entertainment across the board to boot, even before this article came out.Oh good grief where do I even begin
First off its supply and demand ....if there are people lined up to work for what they are making now they aren't going to set a much higher minimum wage across the board with the current workers. A lot of people work for Disney as a CM for various reasons things like the college program...and how good Disney looks on a resume, etc.
Sure someone making $8.45 would like to make $10 just like someone making $50 would like to make $51. We all want more regardless of what we make and where we are but wait for it...wait for it....Disney is running a business...not just a theme park for us on the forums
No one is coming down on the workers....maybe the unions in general but not the individual workers.
Simple business logic (that many running the country don't have) is that if you raise the minimum wage by a substantial margin across the board two things will happen a) cost of items will go up and then it won't matter that people are making more or b) more people will lose jobs because the businesses they are running have to offset the cost somehow
I agree most companies are very top heavy and the range is massive from bottom to top pay...but taking from Peter to give give to Paul who doesn't have to work as hard anymore to move up in pay or playing Robin Hood isn't going to solve anything
So what if Disney or Uni decided to give every cast member or front line employee $15 an hour across the board but because of this it keeps them from building anything new for the next 15 years and making cuts elsewhere?
I have it on good authority that @Tom makes 65k a week.
This is a transparent argument.
Guess what: regardless of Disney CM pay, inflation happens. Who does it effect the hardest? People who were scraping by in the first place. The cast members aren't trying to be ahead of the curve, they're struggling to catch up.
And re: supply and demand, only by banding together and threatening WDW's happy little status do they have any pull. Disney is already paying them as little as they legally can.
Oh, and we are all aware that Disney is now more a business than it is a theme park. That has become painfully clear.
Actually, I believe the anecdotal evidence on the effects of raising the minimum wage have been neutral at worst. And as for the costs of goods being raised, Disney hasn't been bashful about raising its ticket prices (~60% increase over the past nine years) or food and merchandise costs (to say nothing of its room rates) without any dramatic increase in worker pay. And they've been cutting entertainment across the board to boot, even before this article came out.
yeah... you know the money government takes out to waste so much it makes MM+ expenditures people complain about on here look like pocket change hahaTaxes?![]()
Nobody here seemed to mention that, per our union contract, cast members do get a yearly raise. Yes, most of us would like that raise to be larger but at least a raise happens. I've known many who have worked in other places that were lucky to get a raise every couple of years. The union is currently fighting to increase the annual pay increase.
Being that the folks on this board have always skewed to the right I've gotta believe this will devolve into the typical defense of da man and corporate America, with the usual ignorant comments about no one forces anyone to work at WDW and why should Disney pay anyone (other than management) much more than $8 an hour?
This is a company that keeps announcing record profits. This is a company with employees living three and four to an old Best Western on US 192 to avoid sleeping in cars. This is a company that bull$hits the world that it still represents old man Disney's morals and ethics when it absolutely does not.
But let's all jump on the workers. The only things that matter is how well Wall Street and Big Business are doing. Screw the workers! Can you imagine that someone working for $8.45 an hour might like to make $9 or $10?
Once you're in Orlando making no money, it becomes that much harder to leave again. Moving costs, first/last months rent, a month's savings until your first new paycheck (assuming you even have a job lined up) ... it's a vicious cycle. Although plenty of people do leave, this town is very transient--which goes back to my point of less than great staff at WDW, because of high turnover rates.
ETA: Look, I'm a right-winger. But this whole Ayn Rand objectivist hero stuff doesn't fly in the real world. There are too many obstacles--some government-created, some corporate-created, some just human psychology.
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