Wookies, & Rebels, & Droids... OH WHY?! The Anti-SWL in Disneyland Thread

[SuddenStorm]

Well that is debatable as you can see. So from your perspective it might not be a good change, but from others perspective it is a good change. Just like anything in life time will be the decider of all things. However my opinion is that just like most change, in time it will be accepted even by the most stringent of critics.

Perhaps this point would be better made in a thread not called the "anti swl" thread, which has a clear and admitted bias

 

[VJ]

As mentioned many times earlier, there's a difference between an attraction and a land.

I feel bad for Adventureland. It isn't part of Disneyland. Poor little outcast.

 

[Disney Irish]

Perhaps this point would be better made in a thread not called the "anti swl" thread, which has a clear and admitted bias

Perhaps. I'm sure there will always be some in this thread that will hate SW:GE with the fire of a thousand suns. But I think the point still has to be made that most will accept, and some may even enjoy SW:GE.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Disneyland has always and continues to move into the future. It can do so without projects such as SWL, which is moving the park into the wrong direction.

I agree with others, Disneyland’s past should absolutely dictate the future.

 

[TROR]

Since the railroad doesn't go through the Haunted Mansion, it is not an actual part of Disneyland.

Technically it does

Also, did you know at Disneyland Paris the railroad goes through Pirates of the Caribbean's grottos?

 

[Disney Analyst]

This thread is the equivalent of an old man yelling at kids to get off his lawn. I’m living. I’m shook. My wig has flown. Hey grandpa, pass over the beer (which I can soon now enjoy in Disneyland!!)

 

[TROR]

This thread is the equivalent of an old man yelling at kids to get off his lawn. I’m living. I’m shook. My wig has flown. Hey grandpa, pass over the beer (which I can soon now enjoy in Disneyland!!)

This thread is a collection of the greatest scholars and thinkers when it comes to Disneyland's history and ideologies.

 

[mickEblu]

The only thing I'll say with regards to the recent discussion is this:

The past cannot and should not dictate the future. And this is even more true in the theme park business. So while any current and future park project should pay homage to the designs of the past, it should not be ruled by them. You have to design for the future, not the past. And while I know its sensitive because its "Walt's Park", Disneyland is no different, it has to move into the future. Because if a theme park, especially the worlds number one theme park company, doesn't design and change for the future they will lose customers long term. The world is changing, and so is consumers tastes and preferences in terms of theme park experiences. Nostalgia plays a big role right now because of the divisive world we currently live, but that won't last forever. As the next generations come up they aren't going to have the same nostalgic feelings as the generations of the past. As such the parks, how they are built, and the experiences contained within them have to change. The theme park design rule book written by Disney is not set in stone, its written in pencil so it can be changed in the future.

I agree with the basic sentiment here but Disneyland is a different animal. It was when it was built and it still is now. Also, I disagree with what you said about nostalgia. That’s not going anywhere. Most people will always be nostalgic about things from their youth/ the past. It’s just how it works.

 

[Rich T]

This thread is the equivalent of an old man yelling at kids to get off his lawn. I’m living. I’m shook. My wig has flown. Hey grandpa, pass over the beer (which I can soon now enjoy in Disneyland!!)

Some of us old men are proud of our lawns. Actually, imagining the current Disney management as a group of clueless brats trampling all over something that took years of loving care to develop and breaking the antique birdbath that was passed down from my great grandfather...and then cursing at each other while playing Fortnite... yeah, that's about right.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

This thread is a collection of the greatest scholars and thinkers when it comes to Disneyland's history and ideologies.

Honestly, it's a bunch of people that take this stuff way too seriously. Yes, it's a beloved iconic institution, but it's also an amusement park with spinning elephants, corny spookhouse rides with wobbling tombstones and an obvious speaker playing the sound of laughter, people in enormous ridiculous cartoon mouse costumes and screaming children with bubble guns. I have to check out when people start line-by-line quoting with thesis statements about this stuff. I think a lot of you guys need to go to Disneyland Anonymous and restore yourselves to sanity! Walt, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change!

 

[Rich T]

Honestly, it's a bunch of people that take this stuff way too seriously. Yes, it's a beloved iconic institution, but it's also an amusement park with spinning elephants, corny spookhouse rides with wobbling tombstones and an obvious speaker playing the sound of laughter, people in enormous ridiculous cartoon mouse costumes and screaming children with bubble guns. I have to check out when people start line-by-line quoting with thesis statements about this stuff. I think a lot of you guys need to go to Disneyland Anonymous and restore yourselves to sanity! Walt, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change!

True, but this forum is one of the only places on Earth where a fan *can* express frustration about their favorite man-made location changing in ways they don't agree with. Sometimes we take it too seriously, but that's fandom. We all know the sun will still rise tomorrow even if Disney management thinks its tasteful to sell a dead animated character's crystallized bodily fluids for a profit... oh wait, that happened.

 

[mickEblu]

True, but this forum is one of the only places on Earth where a fan *can* express frustration about their favorite man-made location changing in ways they don't agree with. Sometimes we take it too seriously, but that's fandom. We all know the sun will still rise tomorrow even if Disney management thinks its tasteful to sell a dead animated character's crystallized bodily fluids for a profit... oh wait, that happened.

Yup. No different than any other kind of fandom, Including sports. I’m a huge Lakers fan and can tell you who they played, beat or lost to in each round of playoffs going back to the early 80s. For most of them I can even tell you which games they lost or won in the series. Every once in a while I get an “epiphany” after a tough loss or during a frustrating game and ask myself “why do I get so invested about the outcome of these guys throwing a ball in a basket?” But I guess that’s life. We “pick” a few things we re interested In and distract ourselves from the doldrums of everyday BS. But ya, I’ve never once lost sleep over GOTG:MB or Dumbo Hedge Walls. Speaking of doldrums, even our hobbies can get boring after a while. When you start realizing it’s the same damn conversations over and over. For example having to state what the purpose of a forum like this is. We re basically in one big cyclical conversation that never ends. Or maybe more like in a room with like 5 or 6 mini cyclical conversations that never end.

I think I need to go outside.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

While I disagree with and am frequently baffled by many of the decisions made by the Disney management, it occurs to me that a lot of the fanbase seems to respond like Ripley in Aliens when she casually suggests nuking the planet every time a thing occurs. Substitute the planet with their AP card. Then the Paul Reisers chime in.

"Okay, I know this is an emotional moment for all of us. Okay? I know that. But let's not make snap judgments, please. This is clearly...clearly an important theme park we're dealing with..."

Then some fiasco will occur such as the embarrassing changes to the pirate auction scene and you'll have a bunch of people rather blindly and tastelessly going along with whatever is happening and a bunch of Ripleys declaring their intention to never reload their AP card. The bottom line is that everyone still ends up going back to the park afterward.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Some of us old men are proud of our lawns. Actually, imagining the current Disney management as a group of clueless brats trampling all over something that took years of loving care to develop and breaking the antique birdbath that was passed down from my great grandfather...and then cursing at each other while playing Fortnite... yeah, that's about right.

You lost me at Fortnite. And I thought I was young.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

While I disagree with and am frequently baffled by many of the decisions made by the Disney management, it occurs to me that a lot of the fanbase seems to respond like Ripley in Aliens when she casually suggests nuking the planet every time a thing occurs. Substitute the planet with their AP card. Then the Paul Reisers chime in.

"Okay, I know this is an emotional moment for all of us. Okay? I know that. But let's not make snap judgments, please. This is clearly...clearly an important theme park we're dealing with..."

Then some fiasco will occur such as the embarrassing changes to the pirate auction scene and you'll have a bunch of people rather blindly and tastelessly going along with whatever is happening and a bunch of Ripleys declaring their intention to never reload their AP card. The bottom line is that everyone still ends up going back to the park afterward.

This may be one of the finest posts I've ever read here.

Cheers. *clink*

 

[DanielBB8]

While I disagree with and am frequently baffled by many of the decisions made by the Disney management, it occurs to me that a lot of the fanbase seems to respond like Ripley in Aliens when she casually suggests nuking the planet every time a thing occurs. Substitute the planet with their AP card. Then the Paul Reisers chime in.

"Okay, I know this is an emotional moment for all of us. Okay? I know that. But let's not make snap judgments, please. This is clearly...clearly an important theme park we're dealing with..."

Then some fiasco will occur such as the embarrassing changes to the pirate auction scene and you'll have a bunch of people rather blindly and tastelessly going along with whatever is happening and a bunch of Ripleys declaring their intention to never reload their AP card. The bottom line is that everyone still ends up going back to the park afterward.

Just baffling, right? It’s only baffling if we ignore that Disney is in business; however, we know that these are mainly business decisions yet somehow we still can’t accept it. For every mistake, Disney can correct it or die. Every decision is based on the executives in charge and the economic realities at the time. So DCA is a failure and they fixed it with Carsland. So Pixar Pier is extremely disliked yet it does bridge the original generic design with Disney IP as all Disney parks have. Still not satisfied? Let’s move on to Marvel where the actual attraction investment will happen.

Star Wars will be a super immersive themed land for today’s audience. This approach is duplicated in many Disney theme parks around the world. Disney is pretty consistent of how it designs it’s lands. The Disneyland style parks are no exception to this new approach. Shanghai Disneyland has a Treasure Cove and Toy Story Land, which are single IP lands.

 

[mickEblu]

The bottom line is that everyone still ends up going back to the park afterward.

That’s a pretty weak bottom line. This statement is one of the most meaningless I hear thrown around this forum. What does continuing to go to the parks have to do with critiquing Disneys direction or newer park offerings in a Disney park forum? So if In-N-Out started offering crappy hot dogs in addition to their burgers should I stop going there if I still like the burgers? Obviously no. In addition I would continue to talk crap about their crappy hot dogs anytime my friends brought them up.

I think the “issue” here is not content but the type of forum we re engaging in. Instead of me having to meet up a friend to talk crap about hot dogs I just have to tap my shortcut to this forum where the same 5 discussions are being had 365 days a year. Making it all too easy to jump in and talk crap. Then of course their is the human nature element. For every 20 times I have something negative to say about something new at the park I might mention how much I love Splash Mountain.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

I'm mainly calling out Raven AKA Jasmine and the other AP nukers declaring their intention to not renew. DL is like Event Horizon. You can't leave. She won't let you.

 

[mickEblu]

I'm mainly calling out Raven AKA Jasmine and the other AP nukers declaring their intention to not renew. DL is like Event Horizon. You can't leave. She won't let you.

Ahhh I see. I thought you two were friends?

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

It's a friendly jab.