Wookies, & Rebels, & Droids... OH WHY?! The Anti-SWL in Disneyland Thread

[lazyboy97o]

There's no precedent inside Disneyland for each land to be isolated,

The precedent is the hub and spoke layout that originally had each land accessible only by the Central Plaza.

I'll argue Matterhorn fit perfectly fine in a Tomorrowland focused on real world scientific exploration. Submarine Voyage and the World Clock are enough precedent for me to say it was thematically sound there in 1959.

The Matterhorn also fit it a focus on travel and leisure that was a big part of Disney’s futurism.

Frontierland had its own train station with its own train before New Orleans Square.

It still had its own train station until well after New Orleans Square.

 

[Disney Irish]

Also, I disagree with what you said about nostalgia. That’s not going anywhere. Most people will always be nostalgic about things from their youth/ the past. It’s just how it works.

You missed the point. I never said it was going away. My point was that what people get nostalgic for will change. For example little mickEblu may not get the same nostalgic feelings for Splash as you do when he grows up. He may instead get nostalgic for SW:GE or MMRR or some other future project. So while nostalgia is part of the human psyche, what each generation will be nostalgic for will be different. There will eventually be a time when 1960s Disneyland will no longer be viewed as nostalgic, but rather outdated and no longer fun. It likely won't happen for a couple more generations. But Disney realizes they have to do something about it now. So this and the several other projects coming the pipe will be the catalyst for nostalgia for future generations. Whether or not the current older generations of today feel nostalgic or even agrees with it is beside the point.

 

[mickEblu]

You missed the point. I never said it was going away. My point was that what people get nostalgic for will change. For example little mickEblu may not get the same nostalgic feelings for Splash as you do when he grows up. He may instead get nostalgic for SW:GE or MMRR or some other future project. So while nostalgia is part of the human psyche, what each generation will be nostalgic for will be different. There will eventually be a time when 1960s Disneyland will no longer be viewed as nostalgic, but rather outdated and no longer fun. It likely won't happen for a couple more generations. But Disney realizes they have to do something about it now. So this and the several other projects coming the pipe will be the catalyst for nostalgia for future generations. Whether or not the current older generations of today feel nostalgic or even agrees with it is beside the point.

I honestly don’t see this happening. That was my point. 1960’s Disneyland will be nostalgic for anyone who experiences POTC or HM for example in their youth. They ll be nostalgic for POTC/ HM and SWL. These two attractions in particular will always be a nice change of pace from screens and high tech rides. Variety is the spice of life. Especially at theme parks. If folks were going to be tired of these attractions, it would have happened by now. They are already both ancient compared to the tech out there now. However, they are of such quality that they continue to last the test of time.

 

[BrianLo]

The answer is simple- I'd sacrifice Galaxy's Edge in it's entirety. That's the point of this thread, that SWL shouldn't be in Disneyland.

The issues with sightlines, creative approach, and train integration are all just symptoms of the bigger problem.

Ok fair... but that’s technically a question dodge. I think we sort of concluded the same thing.

You don’t actually wish the train was better integrated into the land. You wish the land wasn’t there.

Defacto the train has nothing to do with it. I guess my point is if the train did go through it doesn’t change anything. Yes it’s a symptom technically because it was moved to facilitate, but it’s not really a problem in and of itself, just a symptom.

 

[Disney Irish]

I honestly don’t see this happening. That was my point. 1960’s Disneyland will be nostalgic for anyone who experiences POTC or HM for example in their youth. They ll be nostalgic for POTC/ HM and SWL. These two attractions in particular will always be a nice change of pace from screens and high tech rides. Variety is the spice of life. Especially at theme parks. If folks were going to be tired of these attractions, it would have happened by now. They are already both ancient compared to the tech out there now. However, they are of such quality that they continue to last the test of time.

You're looking at it through your nostalgic rose colored glasses. So I agree for our generation it has stood the test of time. But for say a generation growing up 20 years from now, maybe not. They may find it boring, outdated, and not fun. A business has to think about these things. And that is what I believe Disney is doing with the new projects. They are building for future generations to capture them while also still trying to hold onto that older generations nostalgic feeling. Its a very hard balancing act, so far with DL proper I think they are doing a pretty good job. DCA however, well we'll see what happens with Marvel Land.

 

[TROR]

You're looking at it through your nostalgic rose colored glasses. So I agree for our generation it has stood the test of time. But for say a generation growing up 20 years from now, maybe not. They may find it boring, outdated, and not fun. A business has to think about these things. And that is what I believe Disney is doing with the new projects. They are building for future generations to capture them while also still trying to hold onto that older generations nostalgic feeling. Its a very hard balancing act, so far with DL proper I think they are doing a pretty good job. DCA however, well we'll see what happens with Marvel Land.

Then they're morons who should be banned for life.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I'm mainly calling out Raven AKA Jasmine and the other AP nukers declaring their intention to not renew. DL is like Event Horizon. You can't leave. She won't let you.

Love you, Justin!

 

[Californian Elitist]

I honestly don’t see this happening. That was my point. 1960’s Disneyland will be nostalgic for anyone who experiences POTC or HM for example in their youth. They ll be nostalgic for POTC/ HM and SWL. These two attractions in particular will always be a nice change of pace from screens and high tech rides. Variety is the spice of life. Especially at theme parks. If folks were going to be tired of these attractions, it would have happened by now. They are already both ancient compared to the tech out there now. However, they are of such quality that they continue to last the test of time.

Mansion is turning 50 this year. Pirates has passed 50. At this point, I believe it’s safe to say these attractions are beloved and will continue to be around.

Some attractions have been there since day one. Disney is full of idiots, for sure, but it can’t be denied they have created legendary attractions that will continue to prosper, even 20 years from now.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Some attractions have been there since day one. Disney is full of idiots, for sure, but it can’t be denied they have created legendary attractions that will continue to prosper, even 20 years from now.

How many opening day attractions are still open at Disney’s Hollywood Studios or Universal Studios Florida? And yet some keep telling us these parks are the clear models for continued success, popularity and longevity.

 

[TROR]

How many opening day attractions are still open at Disney’s Hollywood Studios or Universal Studios Florida? And yet some keep telling us these parks are the clear models for continued success, popularity and longevity.

Who is saying this??

 

[lazyboy97o]

Who is saying this??

Anyone who says Disney has to focus on movie franchises to keep the parks going.

 

[TROR]

Anyone who says Disney has to focus on movie franchises to keep the parks going.

Ah I see what you're saying now. My apologies.

 

[Disney Irish]

Then they're morons who should be banned for life.

If you say so...

 

[SuddenStorm]

You're looking at it through your nostalgic rose colored glasses. So I agree for our generation it has stood the test of time. But for say a generation growing up 20 years from now, maybe not. They may find it boring, outdated, and not fun. A business has to think about these things. And that is what I believe Disney is doing with the new projects. They are building for future generations to capture them while also still trying to hold onto that older generations nostalgic feeling. Its a very hard balancing act, so far with DL proper I think they are doing a pretty good job. DCA however, well we'll see what happens with Marvel Land.

It's stood the test of time for every generation since 1955.

Heck, Disneyland hasn't had a major change since 1995- and it only got more popular in that time. That's a few generations worth of people.

I don't buy the argument that by investing in a 40 year franchise, Disney is ensuring relevancy for future generations. Wouldn't they be better suited investing in the franchises popular with the youth of today that show promise to become timeless?

 

[SuddenStorm]

An interesting observation- many "die hard" Star Wars fans have been turned off by the Disney era. Between axing the expanded universe and the Last Jedi, many people have expressed extreme distaste in Disney's approach for Star Wars. Just look at the viewer scores on rotten tomatoes, or every discussion The Last Jedi gets brought up in online.

Each consecutive Disney Star Wars film has sold less merchandise than the one before. Of course, the characters and visuals from Disney's trilogy are what's been used for these new attractions. We're not flying the falcon when it's owned by Lando, or Han- we're flying it when it's owned by some dude named "Hondo". That's not the Rebels and Empire we'll be seeing in Battle Escape, it's the Resistance and First Order.

Kylo Ren, who's spent the majority of his two films standing around throwing tantrums and whining is gonna be who we see in the new ride- not the legendary Darth Vader.

Disney's had to put a bunch of Star Wars films on hold, and each of their films has had production issues- from rewriting the film to alter it's tone forcing reshoots (Rogue One), firing the directors when the movie is almost finished (solo), firing Josh Trank (Boba Fett), firing Colin Trevorrow (Episode 9). Marvel films don't have these problems- sure, not each film has been made smoothly, but I haven't heard nearly as frequent issues from that studio.

Personally, I'm far more excited for Avengers Endgame than I am Star Wars 9. Speaking personally, but perhaps Disney would have been far better suited getting a proper Marvel Land up and running in DCA before doing this Star Wars project. Marvel got a good decade of films to help build public interest, Star Wars has been far less smooth for Disney.

 

[Disney Irish]

It's stood the test of time for every generation since 1955.

Heck, Disneyland hasn't had a major change since 1995- and it only got more popular in that time. That's a few generations worth of people.

I don't buy the argument that by investing in a 40 year franchise, Disney is ensuring relevancy for future generations. Wouldn't they be better suited investing in the franchises popular with the youth of today that show promise to become timeless?

One could argue that SW is already timeless. Especially given that DL has had SW as part of it for half of its existence.

Also the content is only part of the equation, the actual attraction has to also be timeless in itself. We’ll see if either of these attractions become timeless.

Additionally I was speaking in generalities with regards to all upcoming projects coming to DL proper, not just SW:GE.

 

[flynnibus]

That's the point that's trying to be made- the level of immersion they're going for here doesn't belong in Disneyland proper.

Well thank god disney and the imagineers didn't follow that line of thinking and limit themselves by what they did prior... or we never would have gotten upgrades like the 1983 fantasyland.

And honestly, that's DCA. There's a reason no one cares about seeing parts of it. What works there shouldn't be said to automatically work in Disneyland. I'm sure not seeing the Incredicoaster is a huge loss when inside DCA, but at Disneyland, the sights are far more beloved and iconic.

You've just made a conclusion and just trying to reverse something's to justify it... instead of observations leading to a conclusion.

 

[Snow Queen]

An interesting observation- many "die hard" Star Wars fans have been turned off by the Disney era. Between axing the expanded universe and the Last Jedi, many people have expressed extreme distaste in Disney's approach for Star Wars. Just look at the viewer scores on rotten tomatoes, or every discussion The Last Jedi gets brought up in online.

Each consecutive Disney Star Wars film has sold less merchandise than the one before. Of course, the characters and visuals from Disney's trilogy are what's been used for these new attractions. We're not flying the falcon when it's owned by Lando, or Han- we're flying it when it's owned by some dude named "Hondo". That's not the Rebels and Empire we'll be seeing in Battle Escape, it's the Resistance and First Order.

Kylo Ren, who's spent the majority of his two films standing around throwing tantrums and whining is gonna be who we see in the new ride- not the legendary Darth Vader.

Disney's had to put a bunch of Star Wars films on hold, and each of their films has had production issues- from rewriting the film to alter it's tone forcing reshoots (Rogue One), firing the directors when the movie is almost finished (solo), firing Josh Trank (Boba Fett), firing Colin Trevorrow (Episode 9). Marvel films don't have these problems- sure, not each film has been made smoothly, but I haven't heard nearly as frequent issues from that studio.

Personally, I'm far more excited for Avengers Endgame than I am Star Wars 9. Speaking personally, but perhaps Disney would have been far better suited getting a proper Marvel Land up and running in DCA before doing this Star Wars project. Marvel got a good decade of films to help build public interest, Star Wars has been far less smooth for Disney.

Hondo actually has nothing to do with Disney's movies. He's a character from The Clone Wars and later, under Disney, Rebels and a few small appearances elsewhere. I tend to opt not to get involved with this thread for reasons that it runs counter to my opinion and so I don't really care to bother people, but I figure that's worth mentioning, particularly as, though I disagree with your overall point, I do agree Last Jedi and how it handled characters may hurt the land a bit in the long run unless episode 9 manages to pull things back together in a satisfying way. For example, myself as a big Star Wars fan, I'm looking forward to it but I can't say I'm any more thrilled to have an encounter with Kylo Ren after The Last Jedi's 'hot bad boy' angle than I am to see Johnny Depp on Pirates. But yes, I wandered off. I just meant to interject with a little correction because I'm annoying and care too much, but if we didn't all care too much about something, I suppose we wouldn't be here.

 

[flynnibus]

The concept of a wienie doesn't just apply to the hub, it's a tool used throughout the park. Once off the hub and into Tomorrowland, Space Mountain's facade functions as a visual draw encouraging guests to venture further.

I guess you didn't understand my 'moth into the flame' comment because that's exactly what I said. But your examples are not about pulling you across lands while deep in another. So again, how do these examples help your theory that the icons should be viewable across the lands and isolation is bad?

The point I'm trying to make is that Galaxy's Edge has been designed to eliminate view from the rest of the park.

Guess you should be getting rid of Adventureland... town square... fantasyland and more.

 

[SuddenStorm]

Ok fair... but that’s technically a question dodge. I think we sort of concluded the same thing.

You don’t actually wish the train was better integrated into the land. You wish the land wasn’t there.

Defacto the train has nothing to do with it. I guess my point is if the train did go through it doesn’t change anything. Yes it’s a symptom technically because it was moved to facilitate, but it’s not really a problem in and of itself, just a symptom.

Just about everything discussed in this thread are the symptoms caused by Galaxy's Edge. Not meant to be a question dodge, since the solution to every issue that's been raised the last 75 pages would be to not have SWL where it is, executed as it is.