Will there be a witch/queen in seven dwarfs mine train?

Pixiedustmaker

Well-Known Member
I want an indoor scene with the witch turning the apple into a poison apple

I think the only way they could add more scenes would be to build 7DMT so that the trains headed out to the periphery of FLE, or if they built more up or down. Because much of MK has utilidors, I figure it wouldn't have been that much of a pain to build a "basement", which would have the same footprint as the ride, but have show scenes, they possibly could have build the track/mountain supports into the scenes, as wooden pillars, or hidden by rocks. As it is now, I think that the show scenes will be mostly inside of the mine, and I guess we get a cottage scene as well.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Which Dinosaur was this?
Lucky...

Speaking of outdoor animatronics...have there been other outdoor animatronics at Disney in the past?

I can seem to think of any...It could pose a maintenance issue.
I know it's not like WDI has:

1. Put doll characters outside of Small World that appear when the clock chimes.
2. Put any animatronics on the outside of Thunder Moutain
3. Made Luxo an outdoor animatronic
4. Put a Mr. Potato Head outside of Toy Story Mania
5. Filled the Jungle Cruise will outdoor animatronics, thank goodness they use real animals!

My point was has there ever been animatronics that were outside unprotected from the elements?

Lucky could be moved indoors, the PotC parrot was in an alcove of the building, the Indian was under a rock overhang, the Jungle cruise animals have very minimalistic movements, the dolls at IASW only come out briefly, Luxo could be moved indoors, Mr Potatohead isn't unprotected from the elements(water plays havoc with video screens!)

My impression about the 7 dwarfs was that they would be marching over a log as you pass under the log during the outside portion of the ride. Perhaps that was just some concept art that I saw a while back.
 

Pixiedustmaker

Well-Known Member
Lucky...



My point was has there ever been animatronics that were outside unprotected from the elements?

Lucky could be moved indoors, the PotC parrot was in an alcove of the building, the Indian was under a rock overhang, the Jungle cruise animals have very minimalistic movements, the dolls at IASW only come out briefly, Luxo could be moved indoors, Mr Potatohead isn't unprotected from the elements(water plays havoc with video screens!)

My impression about the 7 dwarfs was that they would be marching over a log as you pass under the log during the outside portion of the ride. Perhaps that was just some concept art that I saw a while back.

Sorry about my previous brief reply, unkadug, I was going to add a winkie smile or something and got distracted. It is a good question. The big thing when we talk about the "elements" with animatronics is UV light, heat, wind, and water, and freezing in norther climes.

Splash's animatronics work in a pretty humid environment, so we know Disney can do this, and the Jungle Cruise animatronics are fully exposed. No, they do not have complex movements like Mr. Lincoln, but I don't see Disney could build an outdoor Lincoln, they would have to figure out a way to keep everything weatherized, having a UV resistant mask over Lincoln's face would help, don't know if the newer electronic actuators would hold up under what could get very hot, but I don't see why not, a lot of hardware electronics is rated for temps above the hotest in the Orlando in summer.

Given how fast you are going on the 7DMT coaster, all we really need is a simple motion showing Dwarfs marching, the same simple motion shown in the film. I think it could definitely be done. I think if they put in a witch they might want a little "roof" over her, but this would be to slow UV degradation of whatever they put out, I'm no expert. Though I would assume anything in Orlando would one day or another get drenched when it rains and the wind blows.

Probably the only reason the Pirate parrot was in the alcove was to prevent UV degradation of his "feathers" and cloth in the hat and such . . . he is 100% exposed to humidity, rain, heat, wind and everything else the elements can throw at him.

There are also the "Mine!, mine!" seagull animatronics. They are made out of metal and probably painted with a UV resistant paint.

I too think that the Dwarfs will be "marching" across a log as guests fly-by underneath. Wouldn't be very hard to do, IMHO, especially since we presumably won't see their "feet"
 

Pixiedustmaker

Well-Known Member
There is a fairly elaborate Native American storytelling on the banks of the Rivers of America at Disneyland. He is at the edge of the Indian village under a rock outcropping, telling stories to children.

He has a hat on, and is sort of facing away from guests on the river boats, but his face is that of the Abe Lincoln in Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln. Sort of looks like he's giving a speech? ;-)
 

doctornick

Well-Known Member
My impression about the 7 dwarfs was that they would be marching over a log as you pass under the log during the outside portion of the ride. Perhaps that was just some concept art that I saw a while back.

Well, if you are travelling fast enough past that point, they might feel it's not worth it and just make them static figures. I mean, I hope not, but that might be the case.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
He has a hat on, and is sort of facing away from guests on the river boats, but his face is that of the Abe Lincoln in Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln. Sort of looks like he's giving a speech? ;-)
Really? The pictures I have seen weren't that good...I couldn't really see his face.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
Won't require cranes at all, all they need to do is put in the tubular rails, everything else is done. A couple of workers could easily pick up the needed sections and move them in. Makes 100% sense to do this later as the tubular rails could get damaged more easily.

Evidently, 7DMT doesn't have the sort of track where you have a long distance between support pylons and the need for a "spine" supporting the tubular rails.

Yep, no crane needed, they will just pick these up and carry them to the top of the lift hill. ;)

http://www.screamscape.com/html/mk_-_fantasyland_3.htm
 

Tod&BigMamaOdie

Well-Known Member
I too think that the Dwarfs will be "marching" across a log as guests fly-by underneath. Wouldn't be very hard to do, IMHO, especially since we presumably won't see their "feet"

How will the Dwarves "marching across a log" look to anyone stationary on the ground? I would imagine the distance between the Dwarves and onlookers would help with that but...

Edit to add: are the Dwarves marching across a log inside the mine or on the outside? Not sure I'm understanding.
 

Pixiedustmaker

Well-Known Member
Yep, no crane needed, they will just pick these up and carry them to the top of the lift hill. ;)

http://www.screamscape.com/html/mk_-_fantasyland_3.htm

Those are the lifts, which will have to be lowered in via crane of course, they have extra hardware—most of the track won't look like that. In terms of what is going to be built . . . you ain't seen nothing yet.

Don't worry, they haven't made a major construction mistake ;)
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
Those are the lifts, which will have to be lowered in via crane of course, they have extra hardware—most of the track won't look like that. In terms of what is going to be built . . . you ain't seen nothing yet.

Don't worry, they haven't made a major construction mistake ;)

But in the post that I was reponding to you said they wouldn't need cranes to pick up the track sections and that "couple of workers could easily pick up the needed sections ". These pictures show that his is not the case, there are some pretty substantial pieced of track.
 

Pixiedustmaker

Well-Known Member
But in the post that I was reponding to you said they wouldn't need cranes to pick up the track sections and that "couple of workers could easily pick up the needed sections ". These pictures show that his is not the case, there are some pretty substantial pieced of track.

We were talking about the enclosed part of the track I believe, you said they made a construction error by enclosing it and I remarked that the track here will most certainly be carried in and assembled. The lifts are a special part of the track that have extra hardware, I actually know where the lifts are going in,:), (and it isn't inside of the small enclosed area they have built).
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
We were talking about the enclosed part of the track I believe, you said they made a construction error by enclosing it and I remarked that the track here will most certainly be carried in and assembled. The lifts are a special part of the track that have extra hardware, I actually got to see where the lifts are going in,:), (and it isn't inside of the small enclosed area they have built) and some stuff in Maurice's cottage.

First, I never said they made a mistake, you are the one he keeps putting those words in my mouth. What I am trying to understand is, on the tall section of the ride that has been partially enclosed in concrete panels, how will they get the track sections onto the track supports? You can see from today's pictures that the track sections are quite substantial and thus will require a crane to lift them into place. It seems like it's going to be a tricky process to pass those sections through the openings in that structure and get them onto the supports.
 

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