Will there be a witch/queen in seven dwarfs mine train?

[Pixiedustmaker]

It's interesting that they have not installed any of the track yet, at least in areas we can see, but have started to close things in. Getting the track installed on the lift hill is going to be a trickey task.

Based on how long rock work has taken on other projects, including the BaTB I would bet we see that work going well into 2013.

That not exactly true, per se, as they have installed the foundation/steel work needed to support the track and the particular stresses the swinging carts will have. Look below, you can easily see where the track will be wielded, this really doesn't need to be done before the mountain is built. Actually, kinda makes sense to have the mountain built around the track as the welders can walk around the track and weld it all at the same time, a different, probably specialized welding job from welding structural supports, and/or they may be fine tuning the track/ride vehicle interaction.

From a construction standpoint, this part of the track is 80% built, all the need to do is add the tubular rails or whatever.

Notice how the track supports are already painted brown, to match the brown track which will be made to look like wood. This isn't structural steel for the mountain, but all for the track. The track was built to withstand the perpendicular forces which will arise from the swinging portions, and the weight of the new ride vehicles.

http://thedisneyblog.com/2012/03/31...construction-on-mine-train-coaster-has-begun/

 

[danlb_2000]

That not exactly true, per se, as they have installed the foundation/steel work needed to support the track and the particular stresses the swinging carts will have. Look below, you can easily see where the track will be wielded, this really doesn't need to be done before the mountain is built. Actually, kinda makes sense to have the mountain built around the track as the welders can walk around the track and weld it all at the same time, a different, probably specialized welding job from welding structural supports, and/or they may be fine tuning the track/ride vehicle interaction.

From a construction standpoint, this part of the track is 80% built, all the need to do is add the tubular rails or whatever.

Notice how the track supports are already painted brown, to match the brown track which will be made to look like wood. This isn't structural steel for the mountain, but all for the track. The track was built to withstand the perpendicular forces which will arise from the swinging portions, and the weight of the new ride vehicles.

http://thedisneyblog.com/2012/03/31...construction-on-mine-train-coaster-has-begun/

When I said track, I meant the actual track not the supports which obviously have been installed already. It doesn't make sense to have closed the mountain in first since it will make it very difficult for them to add the track to the supports. If you have looked at how other roller coasters are build the track sections tend to be fairly large and awkward and are lifted in place with a crane. The structure of the mountain is going to make that much harder to do.

 

[spectromagic04]

An older video from January 2011 Eric Jacobson saying that we might see a vist from the old hag/witch! Also says that we will see Snow White at the end of the ride, but plans might have changed from this video!

 

[Adam5897]

An older video from January 2011 Eric Jacobson saying that we might see a vist from the old hag/witch! Also says that we will see Snow White at the end of the ride, but plans might have changed from this video!

He said their might be an old hag. That sounds like their is going to be no queen . She is probably my favorite character from SW but only when she is the queen. I really really hope they put in a queen.

 

[Pixiedustmaker]

When I said track, I meant the actual track not the supports which obviously have been installed already. It doesn't make sense to have closed the mountain in first since it will make it very difficult for them to add the track to the supports. If you have looked at how other roller coasters are build the track sections tend to be fairly large and awkward and are lifted in place with a crane. The structure of the mountain is going to make that much harder to do.

Won't require cranes at all, all they need to do is put in the tubular rails, everything else is done. A couple of workers could easily pick up the needed sections and move them in. Makes 100% sense to do this later as the tubular rails could get damaged more easily.

Evidently, 7DMT doesn't have the sort of track where you have a long distance between support pylons and the need for a "spine" supporting the tubular rails.

 

[jensenrick]

She is probably my favorite character from SW but only when she is the queen. I really really hope they put in a queen.

There will be one when I'm on it. LOL

 

[WDW97]

A good place for the witch to go would be right right before you exit the mine, the witch tries to push the bolder over to like block the exit of the mine.

 

[Pixiedustmaker]

A good place for the witch to go would be right right before you exit the mine, the witch tries to push the bolder over to like block the exit of the mine.

That's one good idea. There certainly are a lot of ways the classic boulder scene from the ride, and from the film, could be worked into a ride with mine segments, as well as outdoor segments with boulders.

 

[HMF]

This would be a disappointment of a ride I all it was is going through hills/ mines and seeing just the 7 dwarfs if their is no snow white and queen/ witch then to me theirs no point of te ride. I know it's named te seven dwarfs mine train but if it weren't for snow white and the queen no one would even know about the dwarfs, it is the base of the whole story.

You do know Snow White herself was originally not actually in SWSA, right?

 

[danlb_2000]

Won't require cranes at all, all they need to do is put in the tubular rails, everything else is done. A couple of workers could easily pick up the needed sections and move them in. Makes 100% sense to do this later as the tubular rails could get damaged more easily.

Evidently, 7DMT doesn't have the sort of track where you have a long distance between support pylons and the need for a "spine" supporting the tubular rails.

I highly doubt they are going to be carrying pieces of tubular steel to the top of that lift hill and welding the track together in place. It's most likely going to be assembled out of prefabricated track sections like most steel coasters today are built.

 

[Pixiedustmaker]

I highly doubt they are going to be carrying pieces of tubular steel to the top of that lift hill and welding the track together in place. It's most likely going to be assembled out of prefabricated track sections like most steel coasters today are built.

Being pre-fab doesn't negate the fact that it will be carried in. Obviously, it will have to be pre-fab, like all tubular track. They will have to connect sections together though, obviously, and weld them to the track. Take a look at the Great Goofini roller coaster, sections ten feet long, and probably longer, can easily be carried in.

Think about how they replaced the Matterhorn track, did they have to take apart the mountain?

Its OK to have an opinion, but unless you've got a lot of construction experience, it might be wise to first look at the angle that Disney probably knows what they are doing, modern construction projects are very choreographed, I'm sure they modeled it out and used plain old common sense.

To explicitly state that they are made a very bad decision (like they haven't thought out the construction), shows a lot of . . . something.

 

[danlb_2000]

Being pre-fab doesn't negate the fact that it will be carried in. Obviously, it will have to be pre-fab, like all tubular track. They will have to connect sections together though, obviously, and weld them to the track. Take a look at the Great Goofini roller coaster, sections ten feet long, and probably longer, can easily be carried in.

Think about how they replaced the Matterhorn track, did they have to take apart the mountain?

Its OK to have an opinion, but unless you've got a lot of construction experience, it might be wise to first look at the angle that Disney probably knows what they are doing, modern construction projects are very choreographed, I'm sure they modeled it out and used plain old common sense.

To explicitly state that they are made a very bad decision (like they haven't thought out the construction), shows a lot of . . . something.

Ok, there is no reason to descend into personal attacks just because I don't agree with you. I never said that they mad a bad decision I just said that it seemed odd that they were building it this way, but they obviously have a valid reason for doing this, just don't know what it is.

I also think it's odd that you are calling me out for criticizing how Disney is building something when you wrote an entire thread on all the "mistakes" Disney made when they build the Little Mermaid ride.

 

[Pixiedustmaker]

Ok, there is no reason to descend into personal attacks just because I don't agree with you.

I did not attack you personally, just that it is a little odd to conclude that Disney is building the 7DMT in an inefficient/incorrect manner! If you were let onto the construction site would you tell the foreman that he/she is doing something that, "doesn't make sense." They'd probably roll their eyes, or even laugh. Obviously, Disney knows what they are doing construction wise.

Maybe if you have some construction experience, then you could more clearly elucidate your obstination. You did say,

It doesn't make sense to have closed the mountain in first since it will make it very difficult for them to add the track to the supports. If you have looked at how other roller coasters are build the track sections tend to be fairly large and awkward and are lifted in place with a crane. The structure of the mountain is going to make that much harder to do.

I would understand if you used qualifiers to your statement, such as saying, "I don't understand why they are starting to enclose the lift hill as I see no track", instead there are a couple of conclusions that are incorrect, and implying that what the 100+ member construction crew did doesn't make sense.

In terms of criticizing how an attraction is put together, I do have related work experience, and anyhow, this is a subject conclusion, differing between guests. Anybody can say a ride doesn't work for A,B and C, no special experience is needed. But making snap judgements about construction, a field you may (tongue in cheek) know little about, kind of threw me for a loop.

Maybe you weren't being serious. It would be as if I said that obviously the Mermaid showbuilding's drainage system was built wrong and it could never acccomodate waterfalls, or something like that, which I really couldn't conclude unless I was an architect and had the plans and such.

Bottom line, you can't argue with "taste", it is subjective, but you can spot it when somebody makes faulty objective assessments well outside their area of expertise.

FYI, in construction, say that what a contractor did "doesn't make sense" is worse than saying that they made a mistake, it is implying a total lack of skill/foresight.

 

[Adam5897]

You do know Snow White herself was originally not actually in SWSA, right?

Of course I know that. I thought it was fine that way because it was meant to be in the perspective of snow white. This is completely different.

 

[Adam5897]

I want an indoor scene with the witch turning the apple into a poison apple

 

[Lee]

I want an indoor scene with the witch turning the apple into a poison apple

Not gonna happen.

 

[unkadug]

I want an indoor scene with the witch turning the apple into a poison apple

I want six inversions, three barrel rolls, and LIM's for the lift hill.

 

[danlb_2000]

I did not attack you personally, just that it is a little odd to conclude that Disney is building the 7DMT in an inefficient/incorrect manner! If you were let onto the construction site would you tell the foreman that he/she is doing something that, "doesn't make sense." They'd probably roll their eyes, or even laugh. Obviously, Disney knows what they are doing construction wise.

Maybe if you have some construction experience, then you could more clearly elucidate your obstination. You did say.

How do you know that I don't have construction experience? How do you know that I don't build roller coasters for a living? I don't, but you didn't know that.

Yes, they may laugh, but they could also say, "yes, we would have prefered to build it that way, but for X reason we weren't able to". There are sometimes reasons for things to be built in a less then logical fashion, and there is normally a good reason for this. The only point I am trying to make is, based on the way I have seen other coasters constructed, It seemed odd that this was being built in the way it is and was curious why.

Personally I think you are just a guilty of this sort of thing as I am. In this quote you are implying that Disney doesn't understand what "shade" is. If you told the designers of the attraction this they would "probably roll their eyes, or even laugh".

Personally, I hoped that Disney would have gotten it right with MK's Mermaid. Disney sure is doing a lot of rockwork, and while a lot of it looks impressive, they've forgotten about the small things like having enough shade and in terms of dark ride development.

 

[ExtinctJenn]

A good place for the witch to go would be right right before you exit the mine, the witch tries to push the bolder over to like block the exit of the mine.

There was a similar effect on Big Thunder at one time and after a bolder crashed down onto the track they turned off the effect on all it's clones. I have a feeling you won't see it on this for that reason unless it's the same effect they used in SWSA where instead the boulder falls back on her (but then they'd be just "reusing" instead of "reimagining" so I hope not).

 

[Adam5897]

Not gonna happen.

I know