Will IOA ever surpass a Disney park attendance wise?

Will IOA surpass a Disney Park in Florida?


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ParentsOf4

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Jimmy is either doing some form of elaborate trolling or has some delusional viewpoints. It's the smug "I'm the sane voice of reason and you're all idiots!" tone that makes it annoying.
One of the early lessons taught in management is that the worst employees nearly always think they are the best. Instead, they nearly always think that the problem lies with everyone else. "I'm the only good employee and all the rest of you are idiots."

The theory goes that they are so bad because they don't recognize their own deficiencies. If they did, then they'd self-correct.

I don't know why your post made me think of that.;)
 

Jimmy Thick

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Original Poster
I think he's a great poster. Fun, outspoken, lively. :D He's picked a side and argues it.

Jackson Pollock: When's the last time you were bored in a Jimmy Thick thread?

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MikeTaylorSound

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The last two Disney movies were flops. If they overhaul most of DHS into Star Wars Land and the "new" Star Wars movie flops... that creates a HUGE problem.
 

mergatroid

Well-Known Member
It's an argument about opinions and estimates so as such only time will tell. I love Disney and Universal, Disney has the huge advantage of a longer history and size of property, as such Disney is more of a resort or destination than Universal and probably always will be. I doubt people go to stay at Universal for as long as they do a Disney resort, this in itself helps Disney beat Uni's figures along with the fact there's more to do at Disney and it's more iconic around the world so attracts more visitors.

Universal has done great over the years at improving itself and we love visiting it nearly every year even though our main destination is Disney World. If Jimmy feels the same in a six flags park as he does in IOA then that's fine by me, that's how he feels. It seems a strange comparison and if I was more cynical then I'd maybe think he was just saying it to get a reaction off people on here :rolleyes:. However if that's how Jimmy feels then fine, he doesn't like IOA any more than a six flags park and likes to debate the issue with strangers on the internet. I have a love for both parks and have no conflict in loyalties by complimenting one or finding one better or worse than the other in certain areas.

One thing I will say about IOA though is I've never had my nose broken there by a big guy dancing around in a tutu in a flamboyant manner so it's certainly beats Disney in that respect ;)

Mergatroid - enjoying Universal without being assaulted
 

draybook

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Uni just cannot compare to Disney for me and my wife. Maybe that is based on nostalgia, but how is that a bad thing? It's a legacy the company has built and therefore deserves to use as a foundation.



To paraphrase the late great Chris Farley....I can take a dump in a box and slap on a guarantee if it makes you feel better. That guarantee is the Disney legacy. They've built their name on it and now they're resting on that legacy. And for some reason, people, including you and others like me seem to be okay with it. Well enough is enough. It's time to get back to being the industry leader.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
I was just at Great America last weekend, never felt I was at a theme park, just felt like I was at a place with some cool coasters and attractions. I feel the same way walking around IOA...



Some people consider Jackson Pollack to be a important and influential artist, others think he was nothing but a guy who dripped paint on canvas.


Jimmy Thick- To each his own...But I'll continue to post here thank you very much. :rolleyes:

You know it's not a good idea to walk around in IOA with your eyes closed. ;)
 

Chezman1399

Active Member
Don't believe the TEA numbers. IOA already outdraws DHS.



While I believe they may have gone down in attendance, what you're saying is while all the other parks were near flat/up/slightly down if the estimates are wrong in the entire Orlando area, this would require the people doing the Estimates to be off more greater than 19% in a year Theme Parks had record attendance. That's so mathematically improbably it would make my head explode, and should cause the group of people who do the data collection and estimates to get fired off into the sun because there may be no one in the world worse at their job.

The more "realistic" numbers I've heard seem to be about 8.5, and even that seems very difficult for any park to achieve because by accident with the increases in Orlando it should have at been within 5% of its previous numbers. For comparison the largest drop of any park in the top 20 is 12.5%, however that's from a park in Asia that didn't break a million visitors anyway so it's a much easier figure to achieve.
 

BryceM

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Well I think that if anything, this thread shows, that haters are gonna hate.
No one is hating. I didn't see the logic for Jimmy Thick's claim. To me it just read "there is no difference between Islands of Adventure and Six Flags Great America".

Imagine if someone walked up to you and told you that Magic Kingdom was the worst place that they had ever been to. I'm sure you'd feel slightly offended and you would try to defend it.
 

Victor Kelly

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Not really. Many people don't like Disney period. It really doesn't matter to me. I know what I like and why I like it. If other people do not, I don't get very excited about it. I have been looking logically at whether a UNI park will ever pass a Disney park. The answer is yes, given the the Studios is but one Disney park totally dedicated to tv and movies, where UNI and IOA are totally devoted to tv and movies. Two parks against one equals UNI surpassing the attendance of a Disney park, in this case Disney Studios.

Will both combined UNI parks ever pass MK? No, they won't.

There is no emotion in my observation. People that don't like the observation will tend to be the Disney is the next heaven people. Others will debate the observation logically without emotion coming into the discussion. So that means that the haters will hate no matter what one side or the other says.
 

BryceM

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Will both combined UNI parks ever pass MK? No, they won't.
Oh heck no they won't. Who said this? Not me.

MK is really the heart and soul of WDW. The MK (and possibly EPCOT?) is why so many people travel to WDW. Without the MK, there is no WDW. It is the most visited theme park in the world, and I don't think that will change for a long time.

I don't really understand the first part of your post, but whatever.
 

Victor Kelly

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IOA is based on literature turned into tv shows and movies. Show me something in IOA that has no media beyond printed literature. Marvel, Jurassic park, HP, that mess between Seuss (which has many many iterations on film), and Seuss Island. All facts, just sayin.;)

No, nobody may have said UNI may pass MK, certainly not me. But there are people who will scream that it can or cannot happen. I think it is unlikely.

Take for example my own order of parks that I like:
1. MK
2. Epcot
3. Combined UNI parks
4. Studios
5. AK

Why? Started going to MK in 1975 and until Epcot opened that is all there was. Essentially grew up in MK. Epcot I never appreciated until I was older and almost too late to boot.

Then came MGM and UNI. Both parks rushed into opening.
When first opened, UNI dirty, had frequent breakdowns, terrible customer service. MGM, not a lot open, but what was open was running, just not a lot to offer. Now UNI parks still have a lot of breakdowns (honeymoon trip on a single day: Rip Roarin Rockets, Twister, T3, Mummy, Disaster, Jaws all down, then MIB broke down right as we left the loading area. Theming ok at UNI, but IOA beats its sister park UNI hands down.

Studios, added more and more attractions, but still kept some stale stuff. Better theming, but still not a full day park depending on what you enjoy.

I just feel UNI parks have way more to offer when directly opposing the Studios, but if you plan right combined UNI can be done in a single day off season.
 

jensenrick

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However, to me too UNI still fails to connect on an emotional level, misses the magic, UNI just doesn't resonate with the audience the way Disney parks do.

I'm sure some people feel that way- I used to feel that way myself, but things change. I've been going to WDW since 1972, when I was 6 years old, and I used to be one of the biggest pixie dust addicts you'd ever meet, next to my mom. But the magic isn't there like it used to be- in particular MK is stale, EC is a shell of what it was and DHS is pathetic. We often have "what do you want to do?" "I dunno, what do you want to do?" "wanna just leave?" conversations when we visit MK these days, and I remarked to her just last year how we never seem to take pictures at WDW anymore. I think that's the most telling thing of all.

My mom will sometimes still say she "hates" Universal, despite the fact that we always had a good time when we go there. I think what she really hates is how disappointed she's become by WDW.

Having annual passes for both, we are very stingy about standing in lines, unless it's for Ollivander's Wand shop experience. Then we'll wait for an hour, multiple times- because we know we'll grin, and clap, and giggle like school girls. Nothing puts a bigger grin on either of our faces than the HP Forbidden Journey ride- makes my whole week. One of Mom's favorite rides of all in ANY park is the High in the Sky Seuss Trolley Train- fun, scenic and relaxing, plus a different experience depending on which track you start on. We always switch to the other after riding one. We both feel like kids again, when we ride the Caro-Seuss-el. I enjoy strolling Jurassic Park and Marvel Island, just soaking up the atmosphere, and we'll people watch from the benches on New York St. Mom loves consistently beating me at Men in Black (although we both wish there was "more" there than just a ride) and we've both gotten some great stories out of being on stage in Disaster! She agreed to come to Halloween Horror Night for the first time last year (as long as her sister and brother in law came too) and we had a blast- and like we often do at UO, took LOTS of pictures!

In particular, she loves that we get dressed up to go to dinner at Choup Choup, where the staff makes us feel like we are celebrating a special occasion, even when we are not. Can't remember the last special occasion we spent at WDW. We both are over the moon about how the pool attendants at Royal Pacific bring around chilled cucumber slices, after they are done setting up our chairs with specially folded towels. Don't recall anyone bringing us free treats poolside at a WDW pool, even back in the good ol days. Having a night out at Citywalk, dancing at the Red Coconut or drinking up the courage to go on stage at Rising Star, reminds us of the good ol times we used to have at Pleasure Island, except it sure is nice to just have a short walk back to the hotel when the fun is done, rather than a bus ride.

I've remarked to several people- UO is the vacation kingdom in Orlando these days, because we come back from there feeling like we've really been on vacation. We have already had several where we stay on UO property and never go to WDW at all, and I'll bet we'll do a lot more of that in the future.

Jimmy is right about one thing though- WDW will always have the larger attendance. Fine by me, less people in front of me in line for Ollivander's.
 

Victor Kelly

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Not that I have any preference one way or the other about this debate, but there's plenty of literature turned into movies to be found in MK as well.....

Absolutely right you are. The person replying to my post was trying to make the arguement that IOA was literature based.
 

Jimmy Thick

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Original Poster
The last two Disney movies were flops. If they overhaul most of DHS into Star Wars Land and the "new" Star Wars movie flops... that creates a HUGE problem.

There is absolutely no way a Star Wars movie will flop.

None.
Zero.
Zip.
Nada.

Some people think the last 3 Star Wars movies made were terrible, yet they made more money than the original 3. Nope, Star Wars movies are a license to print money, which is why Disney will exploit that.

Jimmy Thick- The real reason they bought out Lucas was for the films, not theme park attractions...
 

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