Wilderness Lodge DVC additions - Copper Creek Villas & Cabins

[Andrew C]

I'm sorry to get nit picky for a moment, but who approved installation of these very out of place LED walkway lights?

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I hope those aren't the final products becuase they stink. There do seem to be footings (circled in red) at the base of each light that could be for more elaborate, appropriately themed fixtures, and the current ones are just placeholders to get the area opened ASAP. Fingers crossed...

or they could be covered by shrubbery...we will see.

 

[peter11435]

I'm sorry to get nit picky for a moment, but who approved installation of these very out of place LED walkway lights?

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I hope those aren't the final products becuase they stink. There do seem to be footings (circled in red) at the base of each light that could be for more elaborate, appropriately themed fixtures, and the current ones are just placeholders to get the area opened ASAP. Fingers crossed...

I had the same thought. Hopefully they are only temporary because they look awful.

 

[csmat99]

Additional photos. Update as of Tuesday, January 24. Standing on the existing boat transportation dock, looking at the Copper Creek cabins in front of Boulder Ridge Cove Pool. The new Geyser Point Bar & Grill is the larger building on the right, with a large open deck lakeside.

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Standing on the existing boat transportation dock, looking at the Copper Creek cabins to the right which extend towards the Magic Kingdom. The monorail can be seen in the distance. In the center of the photo is the new berm with trees that was constructed to hide the road and reduce traffic noise.

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Finally, a new cover / overhang is being added outside the door to Roaring Forks quick service dining.

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Ok, what I feared would happen has. Disney is going to make a fortune off of these cabins and their choice for roofing material is just a plain regular cheap roofing shingle? Where the main hotel has metal? You either make the roof rustic metal roof like below or you at least make the coloring different then plain like they are.

 

[JaxFLBear]

How does it work for existing rooms to be converted to dvc rooms?

does the timeshare entity "buy" the rooms from the hotel?

All DVC rooms (either new construction or conversions) are done under a ground lease between Disney Vacation Development (DVD, aka the Developer) and the Resorts division of TWDC. Each ground lease is (typically) for a period of 50 years. If the ground lease is not extended, the rooms will go back to the Resorts division once it expires.

 

[Rodan75]

Sorry, incorrect. Copper Creek is an entirely SEPARATE DVC offering from Bolder Ridge. BRV already has a fixed property description.
The SHARED Lodge offerings are shared offerings.... existing owners will share in the cost.

BRV owners may book CCV at the 7 month interval.
CCV Owners may book BRV at the 7 month interval.

The DVC folks have been clear on this for at least the last year, even when they weren't allowed to acknowledge that CCV was going to exist.

 

[xdan0920]

though they totally destroyed wilderness lodge when they fenced off the hot tubs then gave them official closing hours

? Fencing in the hot tubs destroyed the lodge?

 

[21stamps]

Ok, what I feared would happen has. Disney is going to make a fortune off of these cabins and their choice for roofing material is just a plain regular cheap roofing shingle? Where the main hotel has metal? You either make the roof rustic metal roof like below or you at least make the coloring different then plain like they are.

There are very few things that I think would be worse than a metal roof on a cabin in Florida.
No thanks!!

 

[xdan0920]

There are very few things that I think would be worse than a metal roof on a cabin in Florida.
No thanks!!

Why? What do you know about roofing materials?

That's rhetorical, because the answer is nothing. Metal is a fine choice for roofing, in fact, if done with the proper coatings, it can be more energy efficient then traditional shingles.

Good post though. How do roofing materials relate to your last trip?

 

[JoeCamel]

There are very few things that I think would be worse than a metal roof on a cabin in Florida.
No thanks!!

???

Metal or tile is a preferred roof material for sloping roofs in Florida. Shingles scream cheap

 

[21stamps]

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Metal or tile is a preferred roof material for sloping roofs in Florida. Shingles scream cheap

Spanish tile is by far my favorite roofing material, and definitely the most common where I'm from. (Not at all saying that cabins should have Spanish Tile) I'm hoping that the cabins have vaulted ceilings with the wood exposed, I'm not in the roofing business.. can that be accomplished with a metal roof? I've stayed in aframes with metal and definitely heard noise from the rain. Muted, but still noticeable.

 

[Grimley1968]

Spanish tile is by far my favorite roofing material, and definitely the most common where I'm from. (Not at all saying that cabins should have Spanish Tile) I'm hoping that the cabins have vaulted ceilings with the wood exposed, I'm not in the roofing business.. can that be accomplished with a metal roof? I've stayed in aframes with metal and definitely heard noise from the rain. Muted, but still noticeable.

 

[21stamps]

I haven't stayed on the 6th floor. Do those rooms have vaulted ceilings? I'm from SoFla, have never stayed at a cabin in Florida. Have stayed at cabins and A- frames in the Midwest and out West..like I said, I heard noise with the vaulted ceiling and exposed wood beams.
I don't know if the cabins at WL will have rustic vaulted ceilings or not, I also don't know if complete sound proofing can be accomplished with that. Which is why I asked the question. I'm not a roofer.
Can anyone provide an actual answer without a photo that does not directly answer the question?

This is what I'm talking about-

 

[DznyRktekt]

I haven't stayed on the 6th floor. Do those rooms have vaulted ceilings? I'm from SoFla, have never stayed at a cabin in Florida. Have stayed at cabins and A- frames in the Midwest and out West..like I said, I heard noise with the vaulted ceiling and exposed wood beams.
I don't know if the cabins at WL will have rustic vaulted ceilings or not, I also don't know if complete sound proofing can be accomplished with that. Which is why I asked the question. I'm not a roofer.
Can anyone provide an actual answer without a photo that does not directly answer the question?

This is what I'm talking about-
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They will most likely spray foam between the roof sheathing and the interior ceiling finish to soundproof. Image below from the interwebs:

 

[csmat99]

There are very few things that I think would be worse than a metal roof on a cabin in Florida.
No thanks!!

As another poster has said Metal roofing when done properly is way more energy efficient than regular shingle. Also, if you haven't noticed the hotel and DVC has the same exact metal roof I posted.

 

[21stamps]

As another poster has said Metal roofing when done properly is way more energy efficient than regular shingle. Also, if you haven't noticed the hotel and DVC has the same exact metal roof I posted.

Yeah. My question maybe wasn't clear. I am not aware of any rooms in WL or Villas that have exposed wood beams and high vaulted ceilings. Can you provide a photo? I'm curious to see what they look like and would be interested in staying in one. My only complaint with WL is the rooms feel small and dark.

I think it would be beautiful and appropriate for the cabins to have exposed beams and vaulted ceilings.. a spray foam can help, but having drywall typically reduces the sound even more. This is why most A frames and cabins still have noise when metal- lack of a secondary barrier.
Again, I'm not in the roofing business, so just curious if it was even possible to make a quiet exposed wood cabin. Was hoping that maybe someone was more knowledgeable on the subject and could provide an experienced answer.

 

[csmat99]

Yeah. My question maybe wasn't clear. I am not aware of any rooms in WL or Villas that have exposed wood beams.
I think it would be beautiful and appropriate for the cabins to have exposed beams and vaulted ceilings.. a spray foam can help, but having drywall typically reduces the sound even more. This is why most A frames and cabins still have noise when metal- lack of a secondary barrier.
Again, I'm not in the roofing business, so just curious if it was even possible to make a quiet exposed wood cabin. Was hoping that maybe someone was more knowledgeable on the subject and could provide an experienced answer.

Understood. My whole point was the fact that it looks like Disney is taking the cheaper route because there are no issues with using a metal roof there and would be appropriate choice base on the fact they are cabins and that the main hotel has them. The only conclusion I can take from this is that they did this to save money in the one area that everyone can actually see. It's not like they chose to go cheaper on a material that no way can see and tell the difference. I understand Disney is in the business to make money no one is trying to take that away from them. The sad thing is the difference in cost for Disney for putting that roofing on is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of money they will making selling those new points there. And even if you would of went a cheaper route I could of thought about better choice then that plain color looking shingle.

 

[21stamps]

Understood. My whole point was the fact that it looks like Disney is taking the cheaper route because there are no issues with using a metal roof there and would be appropriate choice base on the fact they are cabins and that the main hotel has them. The only conclusion I can take from this is that they did this to save money in the one area that everyone can actually see. It's not like they chose to go cheaper on a material that no way can see and tell the difference. I understand Disney is in the business to make money no one is trying to take that away from them. The sad thing is the difference in cost for Disney for putting that roofing on is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of money they will making selling those new points there. And even if you would of went a cheaper route I could of thought about better choice then that plain color looking shingle.

Well..maybe it means that they're doing the exposed wood! It would open up the space so much. We'll see. It would definitely be beautiful and worth a shingle roof if they went that route. My opinion.

 

[csmat99]

Well..maybe it means that they're doing the exposed wood! It would open up the space so much. We'll see. It would definitely be beautiful and worth a shingle roof if they went that route. My opinion.

Yes, exposed wood would be nice but the majority of people will never step foot in those cabins and instead will be the ones looking at them from the balconies of their hotel rooms where it won't cost 160-170 pts a night. It's just crazy people will spend what is the equivalent of $1500 a night for a cabin when I could be staying at the four seasons for less than half that.

 

[xdan0920]

Yeah. My question maybe wasn't clear. I am not aware of any rooms in WL or Villas that have exposed wood beams and high vaulted ceilings. Can you provide a photo? I'm curious to see what they look like and would be interested in staying in one. My only complaint with WL is the rooms feel small and dark.

I think it would be beautiful and appropriate for the cabins to have exposed beams and vaulted ceilings.. a spray foam can help, but having drywall typically reduces the sound even more. This is why most A frames and cabins still have noise when metal- lack of a secondary barrier.
Again, I'm not in the roofing business, so just curious if it was even possible to make a quiet exposed wood cabin. Was hoping that maybe someone was more knowledgeable on the subject and could provide an experienced answer.

Let's be frank. You weren't curious about anything. You came in here, made a blanket statement about not wanting a metal roof in Florida. Then tried to retro-actively explain away your dopey post.

 

[21stamps]

Yes, exposed wood would be nice but the majority of people will never step foot in those cabins and instead will be the ones looking at them from the balconies of their hotel rooms where it won't cost 160-170 pts a night. It's just crazy people will spend what is the equivalent of $1500 a night for a cabin when I could be staying at the four seasons for less than half that.

Agree. I'll more than likely never stay at one, but I do thing the wood would look amazing.

Let's be frank. You weren't curious about anything. You came in here, made a blanket statement about not wanting a metal roof in Florida. Then tried to retro-actively explain away your dopey post.

Let's be frank, yes. Although you like to attack 99.9% of my posts.. if you actually read what I posted- (I think you missed the word "cabin"?) it was responding to a photo of a cabin. A roof on a house is different than a roof on an exposed beam cabin. I've lived the majority of my life in Florida, so I'm a little familiar with roofing options.. again, on a house, not a cabin. I've never stayed in a wood cabin in Florida.

What I do know is this- If the interior of the cabin that @csmat99 posted, is the same as the photo that I posted, then noise would be a very strong possibility- because you don't have the added layer of protection like you do in the lodge and villas....or a home.

Again, I am not in the roofing business, so maybe it's a possibility to have both the sound proofing and wood exposure, but I'm curious as to how they accomplish that. Foam hasn't been enough, in my experience. I'd love for a builder or someone in roofing to weigh in. It would be neat if there is actually a way to do both.