Wilderness Lodge DVC additions - Copper Creek Villas & Cabins

[DznyRktekt]

Guessing these will be called cabins but are not constructed as such.

 

[21stamps]

Guessing these will be called cabins but are not constructed as such.

I hope that Disney doesn't make the interiors plain and boring. If they're going for that theme then at least try to justify the pricing with a more authentic feel! You're probably right though. But- Maybe they'll pleasently surprise us. It's a possibility, right?lol

 

[xdan0920]

I hope that Disney doesn't make the interiors plain and boring. If they're going for that theme then at least try to justify the pricing with a more authentic feel! You're probably right though. But- Maybe they'll pleasently surprise us. It's a possibility, right?lol

Are you planning on buying in to the new DVC at Wilderness Lodge?

 

[21stamps]

Are you planning on buying in to the new DVC at Wilderness Lodge?

I'll take that as a "Oh, my fault. Sorry 21stamps, I jumped down your throat without even reading what you actually typed." No worries dude, no harm no foul. I'll even extend that to the following posts which showed photos that have nothing to do with cabin construction or exposed wood. Two types of people, right?..Those who listen, and those who wait to talk. Listening (or reading) is kinda important when addressing (or attacking) someone. Should be anyway.

To your question- No, I don't plan on buying at WL or any DVC. Timeshares don't suit my life..even if I have a temporary weak moment occasionally.lol

 

[Grimley1968]

The sad thing is the difference in cost for Disney for putting that roofing on is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of money they will making selling those new points there.

Unfortunately, that seems to be the Disney way these days.

How many trees were cut out of the "Wilderness Lodge" grounds to make room for those cabins? If they had to gut the beautiful semi-wild property between WL and FW to charge mega $$$ for cabins, I would hope they'd at least make those cabins look more striking than those meh roofs. Metal would look much nicer and would at least attempt to match the look of WL and VWL.

I was not a fan of this shoehorning of more DVC units into my favorite WDW resort from the beginning and, with the exception of that grill shown in those photos, my fears seem to be coming true.

At this point, maybe they could put a whole new resort in, cut down all the trees except one and call it Lone Tree Lodge.

I swear that at some point Disney will do something positive and I can hopefully gush about something they do, but this is yet another thing that is pushing my family away from WDW.

 

[Master Yoda]

There are very few things that I think would be worse than a metal roof on a cabin in Florida.
No thanks!!

There is a big difference between metal roof types.

I have a feeling what you are seeing as a metal roof is your typical tin roof that is installed over framing members and purlins (no plywood) that is quite common in agricultural and commercial construction. That roof type is in no way suitable for a living space as the sound during the rain would be deafening.

What is uses for residential construction it often refereed to as "Stand n Seam" metal roofing that is applied directly to the plywood sheeting. Between the plywood, vapor barriers,insulation, etc there is no more sound in the home during the rain than any other roof material.

As far as longevity goes, a metal roof blow shingles away in nearly ever aspect. To make them even more appealing, they often last as long or longer than tile roofs with a lower end cost.

 

[ABQ]

As far as longevity goes, a metal roof blow shingles away in nearly ever aspect. To make them even more appealing, they often last as long or longer than tile roofs with a lower end cost.

That's what makes the choice of asphalt shingles, at least I think they are from my naked eye view from afar, so odd. Typically, the metal roof runs approx twice the cost of asphalt, at least in my part of the country, but lasts far more than twice as long. So, if you have the money, it's a worth while investment. Certainly WDW has the money, and it's not millions of dollars more, considering the number of bungalows.

 

[21stamps]

There is a big difference between metal roof types.

I have a feeling what you are seeing as a metal roof is your typical tin roof that is installed over framing members and purlins (no plywood) that is quite common in agricultural and commercial construction. That roof type is in no way suitable for a living space as the sound during the rain would be deafening.

What is uses for residential construction it often refereed to as "Stand n Seam" metal roofing that is applied directly to the plywood sheeting. Between the plywood, vapor barriers,insulation, etc there is no more sound in the home during the rain than any other roof material.

As far as longevity goes, a metal roof blow shingles away in nearly ever aspect. To make them even more appealing, they often last as long or longer than tile roofs with a lower end cost.

Oh I understand why people use them. I'm not a fan of shingles, so I'm not advocating them as a roof top for someone's home.

You sound like you may be able to answer the question that I was asking. In my experience staying in (exposed beam) cabins with a metal roof, while nice, there was definitely still a muted sound from the rain. Not horrible, but worse than I've ever heard in a home/condo/etc. with a metal roof. Is it possible to have the exposed look and provide enough insulation to produce the same results as a non exposed interior would have? From what you described, if all of the insulation is done within the roof itself, then it sounds like a possibility...Maybe I've had bad luck staying in cheaply built ones? Again though, it wasn't terrible and it didn't keep me up all night, but it was louder than anything I've heard before.

 

[JoeCamel]

That's what makes the choice of asphalt shingles, at least I think they are from my naked eye view from afar, so odd. Typically, the metal roof runs approx twice the cost of asphalt, at least in my part of the country, but lasts far more than twice as long. So, if you have the money, it's a worth while investment. Certainly WDW has the money, and it's not millions of dollars more, considering the number of bungalows.

That is the key, if you are selling these things for a minimum of 40 years (DVC right?) then the roof should last at least that long. A metal roof will, the shingles 20 - 25 or so.

The other thing is the metal sheds the pine needles, the shingles will have to be cleared to lessen the fire danger.

 

[Master Yoda]

That's what makes the choice of asphalt shingles, at least I think they are from my naked eye view from afar, so odd. Typically, the metal roof runs approx twice the cost of asphalt, at least in my part of the country, but lasts far more than twice as long. So, if you have the money, it's a worth while investment. Certainly WDW has the money, and it's not millions of dollars more, considering the number of bungalows.

I am a bit late to the party and have not read the previous 50+ pages, but are we sure they are using actual asphalt shingles? There are metal roof products that look exactly like shingles, shake,tile...pretty much anything but metal.

Oh I understand why people use them. I'm not a fan of shingles, so I'm not advocating them as a roof top for someone's home.

You sound like you may be able to answer the question that I was asking. In my experience staying in (exposed beam) cabins with a metal roof, while nice, there was definitely still a muted sound from the rain. Not horrible, but worse than I've ever heard in a home/condo/etc. with a metal roof. Is it possible to have the exposed look and provide enough insulation to produce the same results as a non exposed interior would have? From what you described, if all of the insulation is done within the roof itself, then it sounds like a possibility.

Yes, it is possible. The way I most often see it achieved is by using a false, dropped ceiling.

This leaves room for the insulation, ac ducts wiring, etc and the ceiling is essentially window dressing that looks like exposed rafters.

There are however many ways to achieve the same look so Disney might be doing something entirely different.

 

[Grimley1968]

I am a bit late to the party and have not read the previous 50+ pages, but are we sure they are using actual asphalt shingles? There are metal roof products that look exactly like shingles, shake,tile...pretty much anything but metal.

Page 51 has some update photos. I'm pretty sure those are asphalt shingles and not the metal style that look like shingles. The metal "shingle style" roofs I've seen tend to have a "shinier" look than the shingles shown in the photos, which look like the plain old asphalt shingles I have on my roof.

 

[JoeCamel]

I am a bit late to the party and have not read the previous 50+ pages, but are we sure they are using actual asphalt shingles? There are metal roof products that look exactly like shingles, shake,tile...pretty much anything but metal.


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You are correct but I believe those products cost the same as a standing seam metal roof so why would they use them if the rest of the lodge has the green metal roof? I have to think WDW is continuing it's cost cutting ways. No benefit of the doubt here.

 

[21stamps]

I am a bit late to the party and have not read the previous 50+ pages, but are we sure they are using actual asphalt shingles? There are metal roof products that look exactly like shingles, shake,tile...pretty much anything but metal.


Yes, it is possible. The way I most often see it achieved is by using a false, dropped ceiling.

This leaves room for the insulation, ac ducts wiring, etc and the ceiling is essentially window dressing that looks like exposed rafters.

There are however many ways to achieve the same look so Disney might be doing something entirely different.

A false wood ceiling sounds extremely expensive. Could be why I've never experienced that.lol

 

[George]

I haven't stayed on the 6th floor. Do those rooms have vaulted ceilings? I'm from SoFla, have never stayed at a cabin in Florida. Have stayed at cabins and A- frames in the Midwest and out West..like I said, I heard noise with the vaulted ceiling and exposed wood beams.
I don't know if the cabins at WL will have rustic vaulted ceilings or not, I also don't know if complete sound proofing can be accomplished with that. Which is why I asked the question. I'm not a roofer.
Can anyone provide an actual answer without a photo that does not directly answer the question?

This is what I'm talking about-
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The main problem here is that all the stray electrons floating around from charging stations for this and that in the modern world induces a charge on the pans. Then, lightning strikes the metal roof and if the bottom of the roof becomes negatively charged and the pans are negatively charged then boom! they go flying through the ground. However, if the bottom of the roof is positively charged and the pans are negatively charged they will fly towards the ceiling, bang into it (by it I mean the ceiling) at high velocity and then bounce off of various noggins vis a vis the cabin occupants. This is if you're lucky. At high enough velocity the pans will simply fly through the roof and continue on their merry way until they have joined the storm cloud. At some unknown point, the storm will dissipate and the pans will rain from the heavens on the unsuspecting denizens of this planet. If these denizens happen to be sapiens they will, no doubt, hire the services of a storm tracker and lawyer, trace the pans back to Copper River Canyons of Beautiful Vistas DVCunits of Awesome Grandeur Vaguely Modeled after the National Park Lodges (CRCoBVDoAGVMatNPL) leading to a lawsuit that will increase the price of one day theme park passes by 13.5%. Thus, I concur. Metal roofs on cabins are bad. Now, some of you may wonder how charge separation occurs in a conductor. I tell you this - don't worry about it.

 

[21stamps]

The main problem here is that all the stray electrons floating around from charging stations for this and that in the modern world induces a charge on the pans. Then, lightning strikes the metal roof and if the bottom of the roof becomes negatively charged and the pans are negatively charged then boom! they go flying through the ground. However, if the bottom of the roof is positively charged and the pans are negatively charged they will fly towards the ceiling, bang into it (by it I mean the ceiling) at high velocity and then bounce off of various noggins vis a vis the cabin occupants. This is if you're lucky. At high enough velocity the pans will simply fly through the roof and continue on their merry way until they have joined the storm cloud. At some unknown point, the storm will dissipate and the pans will rain from the heavens on the unsuspecting denizens of this plant. If these denizens happen to be **** sapiens they will, no doubt, hire the services of a storm tracker and lawyer, trace the pans back to Copper River Canyons of Beautiful Vistas DVCunits of Awesome Grandeur Vaguely Modeled after the National Park Lodges (CRCoBVDoAGVMatNPL) leading to a lawsuit that will increase the price of one day theme park passes by 13.5%. Thus, I concur. Metal roofs on cabins are bad. Now, some of you may wonder how charge separation occurs in a conductor. I tell you this - don't worry about it.

Can I have a glass of whatever you're having? Please?

 

[King Panda 77]

The main problem here is that all the stray electrons floating around from charging stations for this and that in the modern world induces a charge on the pans. Then, lightning strikes the metal roof and if the bottom of the roof becomes negatively charged and the pans are negatively charged then boom! they go flying through the ground. However, if the bottom of the roof is positively charged and the pans are negatively charged they will fly towards the ceiling, bang into it (by it I mean the ceiling) at high velocity and then bounce off of various noggins vis a vis the cabin occupants. This is if you're lucky. At high enough velocity the pans will simply fly through the roof and continue on their merry way until they have joined the storm cloud. At some unknown point, the storm will dissipate and the pans will rain from the heavens on the unsuspecting denizens of this plant. If these denizens happen to be **** sapiens they will, no doubt, hire the services of a storm tracker and lawyer, trace the pans back to Copper River Canyons of Beautiful Vistas DVCunits of Awesome Grandeur Vaguely Modeled after the National Park Lodges (CRCoBVDoAGVMatNPL) leading to a lawsuit that will increase the price of one day theme park passes by 13.5%. Thus, I concur. Metal roofs on cabins are bad. Now, some of you may wonder how charge separation occurs in a conductor. I tell you this - don't worry about it.

Is this not negated by using Teflon coating on the pans ?

 

[Master Yoda]

Page 51 has some update photos. I'm pretty sure those are asphalt shingles and not the metal style that look like shingles. The metal "shingle style" roofs I've seen tend to have a "shinier" look than the shingles shown in the photos, which look like the plain old asphalt shingles I have on my roof.

It would appear they are using a combination of Shingle and metal. Generally the only reason for that is an aesthetic one. In a nut shell...they like the way it looks.

That being said all asphalt shingles are not created equal. Much like cars, you have your base model Corolla type, your custom McLaren type and everything in between. There are off the shelf shingles that will legitimately last 30-40 years. I have seen custom runs that exceed even that.

 

[Grimley1968]

The main problem here is that all the stray electrons floating around from charging stations for this and that in the modern world induces a charge on the pans. Then, lightning strikes the metal roof and if the bottom of the roof becomes negatively charged and the pans are negatively charged then boom! they go flying through the ground. However, if the bottom of the roof is positively charged and the pans are negatively charged they will fly towards the ceiling, bang into it (by it I mean the ceiling) at high velocity and then bounce off of various noggins vis a vis the cabin occupants. This is if you're lucky. At high enough velocity the pans will simply fly through the roof and continue on their merry way until they have joined the storm cloud. At some unknown point, the storm will dissipate and the pans will rain from the heavens on the unsuspecting denizens of this plant. If these denizens happen to be **** sapiens they will, no doubt, hire the services of a storm tracker and lawyer, trace the pans back to Copper River Canyons of Beautiful Vistas DVCunits of Awesome Grandeur Vaguely Modeled after the National Park Lodges (CRCoBVDoAGVMatNPL) leading to a lawsuit that will increase the price of one day theme park passes by 13.5%. Thus, I concur. Metal roofs on cabins are bad. Now, some of you may wonder how charge separation occurs in a conductor. I tell you this - don't worry about it.

When building my house I had to choose between a metal shingle style roof and asphalt shingles. Unfortunately, initial cost was the biggest factor in my decision to go with asphalt shingles. I'm pretty sure I'm going to regret that decision if I'm still alive between around 2030 and 2035.

But now you've given me a new justification for my decision!

 

[Master Yoda]

A false wood ceiling sounds extremely expensive. Could be why I've never experienced that.lol

It is more expensive that say drywall, but often much less expensive than the real thing.

 

[Master Yoda]

You are correct but I believe those products cost the same as a standing seam metal roof so why would they use them if the rest of the lodge has the green metal roof? I have to think WDW is continuing it's cost cutting ways. No benefit of the doubt here.

Way too many factors and way too little information to tell either way. It could be everything from cost cutting to them simply not liking the look of the metal product, to a material availability issue.

I have seen an asphalt shingle roof go up on a non-zero number of multi million dollar houses simply because the owners liked the look better.