Why is Disney sooooooo slow to build?

Disvillain63

Well-Known Member
Could it be that Disney has to check and recheck each phase for safety, etc...in order to eliminate has many possible issues as they can foresee...otherwise when something happens at Disney, whether it is Disney's fault or not, it is through the media like wildfire and will remain there for days/weeks/eternity...as other's mistakes and events are dropped rather quickly...the name and expectation may be part of the cautiousness?
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Were any of the skyway towers actually OVER any of the utilidors?
Their foundations were in Fantasyland. One can only assume the towers, or tower supports, passed through the Utilidor level and into the actual ground.

In comparing the parks original storm drain plans which show everything at basement level to known pylon positions, at least two pylons were in Utilidor areas; one south of the Village Haus entrance on one just east of Dumbo.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Their foundations were in Fantasyland. One can only assume the towers, or tower supports, passed through the Utilidor level and into the actual ground.

In comparing the parks original storm drain plans which show everything at basement level to known pylon positions, at least two pylons were in Utilidor areas; one south of the Village Haus entrance on one just east of Dumbo.
Thanks....I'd love to see that storm drain plan....I love stuff like that!
 

Uddy

Active Member
Original Poster
I'm a commercial general contractor, so I can probably give you a good answer, but I need to make sure I understand your question first. I'm not quite sure if you're asking why construction projects, once begun, are slow to be completed, or if you are you asking why Disney is so slow to decide to build/begin a project in the first place.

The answer to the first question is that construction of a commercial structure (that is, a building other than a house) is very, very complicated and takes countless hours of planning, designing, and checking by registered architects, engineers, and other professionals. Every footing, every wall, etc. has to be laid out with surveying and measuring equipment. It's easy to walk into a building and not wonder why it doesn't fall down around you, how it holds up to central Florida hurricane season, and how all the corners and angles are perfectly straight and everything lines up so nicely. These are things the general public takes for granted, but are very time consuming and expensive to pull off. Most people don't think about any of this until they see a pile of rubble on the news.

There is a process of building a building that can't be shortcut, even if you have unlimited manpower and resources. On this very subject, a guy I know told me once "One woman can have a baby in nine months. Nine women can't have a baby in one month." At each major step along the way, construction has to stop for architects, engineers, contractor personnel, building inspectors, and the owner of the building to inspect each element before it's concealed to ensure it was done properly. It would be pretty tough to work on the footings under Cinderella Castle right now, so everything is checked along the way. In our industry, failure to properly build and inspect some small thing early in the process has lead to countless failures and deaths.

There is also the problem of lead times and delivery of critical materials. If one person doesn't live up to a promise of delivering a critical part, or if something is fabricated incorrectly, the project can be delayed for weeks. Then of course, there's the weather...

This post has almost convinced me to find a new career.:)

Great answer. Thank you
 

Uddy

Active Member
Original Poster
The reason why construction projects at Disney takes so long to build is that they want to spread the capital expenditures over as many fiscal years as possible so as the project has less financial impact on any single years profits. I really is that simple.

Another good answer
 

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
Guys, stop trying to make excuses for Disney taking long. The time they take approaches unacceptable and pathetic. Consider that Epcot was built in significantly less time than the Fantasyland Expansion, which still isn't even finished. Even when they do a lengthy refurbishment, they don't even finish it on time. Example - Test Track 2.0.
 

MarkTwain

Well-Known Member
The exact same thread is going on at MiceChat, where one insider had this to say:


I've been in the construction trades for 38 years, all hands-on, not management. I've worked with guys who have done work at both DL and WDW. They all say the same thing; nothing gets done mostly because of idiot executives who have no clue how to build anything, but they sure know how to rebuild it. Often several times. One suit wants it this way, the next suit wants it some other way, and no one will make a final solid decision.

So yes, I agree, oversize egos are a large part of the slow pace. And also, in construction circles, it's known as 'working for the rat'. As to the code requirements, pretty much the same codes apply to both DL and Universal. There are slight differences because of being in different cities, but both are mostly the same. I think that one of the reasons (there are many others) that the original DL was built in a year is because everyone was on the same page, and any disagreements were solved by Walt, and his say was final. Present TDC doesn't have this.
 

Patrick_Ears

Well-Known Member
Maybe Disney wants to make sure it's done right the first time... I dont care if they are slow, take your time and make sure its done to perfection.
 

jw24

Well-Known Member
I'm a commercial general contractor, so I can probably give you a good answer, but I need to make sure I understand your question first. I'm not quite sure if you're asking why construction projects, once begun, are slow to be completed, or if you are you asking why Disney is so slow to decide to build/begin a project in the first place.

The answer to the first question is that construction of a commercial structure (that is, a building other than a house) is very, very complicated and takes countless hours of planning, designing, and checking by registered architects, engineers, and other professionals. Every footing, every wall, etc. has to be laid out with surveying and measuring equipment. It's easy to walk into a building and not wonder why it doesn't fall down around you, how it holds up to central Florida hurricane season, and how all the corners and angles are perfectly straight and everything lines up so nicely. These are things the general public takes for granted, but are very time consuming and expensive to pull off. Most people don't think about any of this until they see a pile of rubble on the news.

There is a process of building a building that can't be shortcut, even if you have unlimited manpower and resources. On this very subject, a guy I know told me once "One woman can have a baby in nine months. Nine women can't have a baby in one month." At each major step along the way, construction has to stop for architects, engineers, contractor personnel, building inspectors, and the owner of the building to inspect each element before it's concealed to ensure it was done properly. It would be pretty tough to work on the footings under Cinderella Castle right now, so everything is checked along the way. In our industry, failure to properly build and inspect some small thing early in the process has lead to countless failures and deaths.

There is also the problem of lead times and delivery of critical materials. If one person doesn't live up to a promise of delivering a critical part, or if something is fabricated incorrectly, the project can be delayed for weeks. Then of course, there's the weather...

This post has almost convinced me to find a new career.:)

Very insightful and informative. I get the feeling that some people look at shows like Extreme Makeover: Home Edition and say, "Oh, they can complete a house in a week but most construction crews can't. Therefore, construction crews are lazy..yada yada yada" but they don't realize how difficult of a job it is! It takes a lot of hard work to build any structure. Being fast doesn't necessarily translate to exceptional high quality in most cases. I know some people are impatient but people need to remember that patience is a virtue and also that good things come to those who wait ;)
 

BryceM

Well-Known Member
Yeah, and it will be as plastic as the rest of Universal with no real attention to detail. Sorry but take a good look around WWHOP. Shortcuts every including that horrid snow on roofs, not even close. Then compare to the snow on mountains in FLE or Everest. The Disney snow and rocks take time to sculpt and use imagineers while Potter's is just a quick pour of material smoothed out and painted white to look like icing rather than snow. Cut corners on detail and you can do anything faster.
Lol.
 

BryceM

Well-Known Member
Does Universal create an atmosphere like the magical one created at Disney World?

The sites, the sounds, the smells? :)
Yes. But really, it all comes down to the person. I think Port of Entry at Universal's Islands of Adventure is just as "magical" as Main Street USA. Seuss Landing at Islands of Adventure creates a more sense of "magic" for me than Fantasyland. But the rest of Islands of Adventure focuses and dwells on a feeling of "adventure", and it succeeds. Universal Studios also has some of the best in-park atmosphere out there. I love walking through the streets of New York and hearing the Blues Brothers play in the background while you peer into the store windows. Or walking down Hollywood Blvd. and then through the lush gardens of Hollywood along the water's edge. So pretty! :)
 

ParentsOf4

Well-Known Member
Yeap. Like the Yeti.
Given all the problems already with Journey of the Little Mermaid, you don't even have to go back to 2006's Yeti. WDW seems to have problems with its 2012 attractions.

Luckily, I took my son down for his 10th birthday in 2006 so he got to see the Yeti working in A Mode while it was still in soft opening. Sadly it's 7 years later and most WDW guests have never seen the Yeti working.
 

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