CrescentLake
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I totally agree. I can't wait to finally experience Disneyland and DCA, but I think it would benefit from a set, universal, primary Icon.
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Why Hollywood Studios is being rebuilt
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I totally agree. I can't wait to finally experience Disneyland and DCA, but I think it would benefit from a set, universal, primary Icon.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Great theme parks are created by having a cohesive whole, not a collection of individual parts. A Star Wars ride, no matter how awesome does not belong in Frontierland.
Cesar R M
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so.. just because someone likes the hat.. is a problem? lol.
TheBeastMom
New Member
Our kids grew up at the three parks....we've been DVC members since 93'. When they put the hat up in front of the Chinese Theatre my teen son said, 'WHY THERE?'
We discussed it between the family and agreed that as a STUDIO park the GMR was a focal point when entering.
I have no further dollars to spend in the Orlando area....as a DVC member and Annual Pass holder I'm not losing travel time to leave the property.
I am sorry they aren't bringing Carsland to Orlando. I went west and it was great fun (Even Luigi's ride).
Our kids (25,28 and 36) ride all the RRC and TOT but hubby and I would rather do Toy Story Mania over and over...which is impossible because all the FP have been given out the last 3 trips we've been there.
They lost the glamour when they stopped developing and advertising the film work done on the property.
Fantasmic is a crap shoot, if you sit close you miss the scope of the show, if you set back you can't see the details (or you need binoculars). It's one of those shows that if you see it once....you don't have to go back. WHAT COULD THEY PUT THERE??
Seems that if they built a resort around DHS it may claim more people....or add a small water park that would be useful in the heat of July/August. They could call it Sunshine Alley.
In Ohio and Pa. the amusement parks have the wave pools and flumes and lounge chairs giving attendees a chance to cool off in the water and STAY in the park instead of leaving to relax.
We discussed it between the family and agreed that as a STUDIO park the GMR was a focal point when entering.
I have no further dollars to spend in the Orlando area....as a DVC member and Annual Pass holder I'm not losing travel time to leave the property.
I am sorry they aren't bringing Carsland to Orlando. I went west and it was great fun (Even Luigi's ride).
Our kids (25,28 and 36) ride all the RRC and TOT but hubby and I would rather do Toy Story Mania over and over...which is impossible because all the FP have been given out the last 3 trips we've been there.
They lost the glamour when they stopped developing and advertising the film work done on the property.
Fantasmic is a crap shoot, if you sit close you miss the scope of the show, if you set back you can't see the details (or you need binoculars). It's one of those shows that if you see it once....you don't have to go back. WHAT COULD THEY PUT THERE??
Seems that if they built a resort around DHS it may claim more people....or add a small water park that would be useful in the heat of July/August. They could call it Sunshine Alley.
In Ohio and Pa. the amusement parks have the wave pools and flumes and lounge chairs giving attendees a chance to cool off in the water and STAY in the park instead of leaving to relax.
bhg469
Well-Known Member
No one is on this forum because they hate wdw and anyone using the "Walt would have wanted", excuse is a fool. Having said that, if you think the parks are as much as a value as they were 15 years ago you're insane. They have diluted the entertainment, food and just about anything that made it unique. All this and they raise prices across the board at a much higher rate than inflation. It doesn't matter because the clientele for the most part, don't know what they lost.
Having flashbacks so "the wand" discussions.
CrescentLake
Well-Known Member
That point is a red herring. I don't like the hat all that much in it's current spot, but I do enjoy that hat. The hat isn't anywhere near as bad as Star Wars in frontierland.
Again, I'm saying id like the hat moved, and I even support the Chinese theater as the main icon.
I'm sorry you dislike it. But people are entitled to like it, and calling them part of the problem is both rude and, close minded. Two characteristics that seem to be growing in members here. When I joined, we were a welcoming bunch. With strong opinions but civility. Not sure what happened.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
It is that sort of problem because it is the brand over substance mentality that has allowed Walt Disney World to slip so low. The defense for it is that it is "Disney," the brand.
Next Big Thing
Well-Known Member
I don't know about another water park, but one thing that would really benefit DHS is the addition of a water ride. There's barely any water in that park. In the heat of summer, especially in that park, it would really help out.
CrescentLake
Well-Known Member
I respect your opinion but I disagree. It's a combination of things that allowed WDW to slip so low. I do not believe the argument over the hat is a microcosm of the current problem with Disney as a whole, but evidently, you do.
We can both agree though, that quality has slipped substantially.
NoChesterHester
Well-Known Member
Of course you are entitled to your incorrect belief that the hat is an awesome icon at the terminus of Hollywood Boulevard…
Yes that was tongue and cheek… but perhaps I can explain in a less brash manner. Hopefully some of you can see our point of view.
The hat to many of us represents the end of an era where Hollywood Studios made any coherent sense at all. The original Hollywood Boulevard at Disney’s MGM Studios was every bit a carefully crafted environment and sequence as Main Street USA. Without the hat the history of Hollywood architecture was laid before you in a manner that helped you instantly understand the park’s dedication statement.
“We welcome you to a Hollywood that never was—and always will be.”
The entire sequence of the small park made sense at that time. The buildings of the 1930’s rolled into the war time buildings as you turned the corner. It was like a real place. As John Hench put it, it was the “architecture of reassurance.” Even for those of us that had never stepped foot in Hollywood it was instantly recognizable. Then the “working” studio on the backlot all made thematic sense.
All of that was interrupted by what was supposed to be a temporary marketing gimmick. The placement of the hat was NEVER intended to be where it is today, but instead was going to sit just outside the gates to the park. It was moved inside mostly for fear of security (keeping the shop’s stuff secure after park closing).
This is part of the overall influx of cartoon into real world environments. A devolution of rich thematic environments for garish over stylized junk.
EDIT:
Before The Big Hat you arrived at a unique place in time once you passed through the Crossroads of America. Now the hat perfectly represents what Hollywood Studios has become; an amalgamation of completely random things that don’t belong anywhere else.
The recent trend of Carsland and New Fantasyland have reversed this in a big way. Thank goodness.
Yes that was tongue and cheek… but perhaps I can explain in a less brash manner. Hopefully some of you can see our point of view.
The hat to many of us represents the end of an era where Hollywood Studios made any coherent sense at all. The original Hollywood Boulevard at Disney’s MGM Studios was every bit a carefully crafted environment and sequence as Main Street USA. Without the hat the history of Hollywood architecture was laid before you in a manner that helped you instantly understand the park’s dedication statement.
“We welcome you to a Hollywood that never was—and always will be.”
The entire sequence of the small park made sense at that time. The buildings of the 1930’s rolled into the war time buildings as you turned the corner. It was like a real place. As John Hench put it, it was the “architecture of reassurance.” Even for those of us that had never stepped foot in Hollywood it was instantly recognizable. Then the “working” studio on the backlot all made thematic sense.
All of that was interrupted by what was supposed to be a temporary marketing gimmick. The placement of the hat was NEVER intended to be where it is today, but instead was going to sit just outside the gates to the park. It was moved inside mostly for fear of security (keeping the shop’s stuff secure after park closing).
This is part of the overall influx of cartoon into real world environments. A devolution of rich thematic environments for garish over stylized junk.
EDIT:
Before The Big Hat you arrived at a unique place in time once you passed through the Crossroads of America. Now the hat perfectly represents what Hollywood Studios has become; an amalgamation of completely random things that don’t belong anywhere else.
The recent trend of Carsland and New Fantasyland have reversed this in a big way. Thank goodness.
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Kman101
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Disney (well, TDO) doesn't care either way though. They clearly do what they want, LOL. But yeah, there is going to be a large portion who has grown up with and only know the hat. I totally understand why some do like it.
But the fact is, it does NOT belong on Hollywood Blvd. People can still like it all they want, but thematically, it does.not.fit
Put the hat in front of Carthay in DCA and see what people say. Same difference.
Disneyhead'71
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I think it would be way cool if Disney replaced the Partners Statue with a 12 story tall pin shop shaped like Mickey's Pants. And on the backside they should have some cute farting sounds and scents. Now that would be modern Disney's commitment and attention to detail.
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
the hat is recognized everywhere.. which means is iconic. even if its theme ruining "decoration".
It should have been put somewhere else, but the Hat itself isnt that bad.
You guys are putting a lot of hate and fury towards the hat itself when in reality the real problem is the PLACEMENT (as in position of it.)
now this is a proper complain.
but destroying the hat will not exactly remove all the mistakes on "putting all things there with no coherent theme" that DHS as.
Id say move the hat. But It will still take a lot to fix DHS in the way it is.
sshindel
The Epcot Manifesto
I'll say I don't like either the hat, or it's placement. I'd be perfectly happy if they let Mythbusters blow it up with a few tons of some explosive devices.
Bocabear
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All they have to do is move it to the other end of the street...you pass under the hat which symbolizes your entrance into the magical world of Hollywood and the Movies... ... The Hat is still used but as more of an entrance thing, it doesn't mess up any of the sight lives, and everyone would be happy...
Kman101
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Most people are pointing out it's not the hat itself but the location ... yes, not everyone, but I feel like many have admitted it's the location. Which it is.
In this case, the hate for the hat is justified. Let's place a hat in front of Cinderella castle! That would look awesome!
In this case, the hate for the hat is justified. Let's place a hat in front of Cinderella castle! That would look awesome!
Communicore
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I have nothing but absolute hate for both the BAH and its stupid location. For some reason my mom likes the BAH and she took pics of it in several angles and even has pics of herself in front of it. I on the other hand, have no BAH pics at all. I also don't like the pin store under the BAH.