Why do people attack characters?

[tigsmom]

Just have to add my 2 cents worth:

My mom was a stay at home mom until my sister (youngest) was about 10. Then she went back to work...only while the kids were in school. We were raised strictly, with love. I think the 4 of us turned out OK. Before I was married we agreed that I would stay home with any kids that came along (as our mothers had done before us). I worked as an RN for 10 years then quit working to stay at home and raise our 2 girls...strictly, with love. My husband has worked 2 and 3 jobs at a time to pay the bills. My sister went back to work after 6 weeks (Not her choice). My sister in law also works full time and I think all of our kids turned out OK. We have all taught our kids to respect each other and those around them. They would never think of attacking a character or anyone else because the know the consequences!

Not too long ago there was a story in our local paper about a little boy who was beaten to death....by his stay at home mom.

I can understand your feelings, but please do not paint us all with the same brush. There is no one cause to society's ills.
My father once told me..."I've raised you with what I thought were good morals, now you have to go and make a life for yourself". I've tried to do this and raise my children the same way. This has nothing to do with whether or not a parent is always at home. Some of us are, some of us aren't. Sometimes there is a choice, sometimes not. Remember, you can only take out what you put in.

 

[Don L Duck]

THANK YOU........................... that is my point .
You can't take out something from nothing. :sohappy:


Please tell me you are single and available :lol:

 

[tigsmom]

Sorry...just celebrated 21 yrs of wedded bliss. 2 kids-15 and 8(who are driving me crazy...can't wait for September).

 

[careship]

Originally posted by tigsmom
Sorry...just celebrated 21 yrs of wedded bliss. 2 kids-15 and 8(who are driving me crazy...can't wait for September).

We must be twins. although there is an age difference.

I have 13 yrs now under my belt and it hasn't always been easy. My boys turn 11 and 12 this year.

I think your point is much clearer then mine was. It doesn't matter whether we moms work or not, it's what we teach our children. They learn by example and if you are a poor example for your children, then it will be a vicious cycle. Thank you tigsmom for helping to say what I was trying to say. Thank your dad too, he was a good man and I am sure your mom was/is as well.

 

[MouseMadness]

Originally posted by Don L Duck
I think you are all missing my point.

I think I heard you loud and clear.

I am a stay at home mother... but not because I thought that was the absolute only way they would ever turn out okay. It was just that I couldn't stand to think of handing my kid over to some stranger when they were 6 weeks old and just hope that that person had the same values and standards I do. Plus, it's just too scary anymore... a 1 in a million chance of something happening to them is still too high of a chance for me. Yes, I know I can't protect them forever, but I'm sure as hell going to while I can. Parenting is not a science... each person has to do what is most suitable for their own situation. I'm doing what is best for mine, I think. :wave:

 

[Don L Duck]

Originally posted by MouseMadness
I think I heard you loud and clear.

I am a stay at home mother... but not because I thought that was the absolute only way they would ever turn out okay. It was just that I couldn't stand to think of handing my kid over to some stranger when they were 6 weeks old and just hope that that person had the same values and standards I do. Plus, it's just too scary anymore... a 1 in a million chance of something happening to them is still too high of a chance for me. Yes, I know I can't protect them forever, but I'm sure as hell going to while I can. Parenting is not a science... each person has to do what is most suitable for their own situation. I'm doing what is best for mine, I think. :wave:

HOORAY thats two :sohappy:
It's like a snowball rolling down a hill
All are welcome step into the light.

 

[tigsmom]

Thanks careship...they were great parents...even when they got on my nerves. (and I miss them )

 

[SpongeScott]

Originally posted by MouseMadness
I think I heard you loud and clear.

I am a stay at home mother... but not because I thought that was the absolute only way they would ever turn out okay. It was just that I couldn't stand to think of handing my kid over to some stranger when they were 6 weeks old and just hope that that person had the same values and standards I do. Plus, it's just too scary anymore... a 1 in a million chance of something happening to them is still too high of a chance for me. Yes, I know I can't protect them forever, but I'm sure as hell going to while I can. Parenting is not a science... each person has to do what is most suitable for their own situation. I'm doing what is best for mine, I think. :wave:

Bravo, Christy!!

I'm already part of the snowball!

 

[careship]

Originally posted by Don L Duck
HOORAY thats two :sohappy:
It's like a snowball rolling down a hill
All are welcome step into the light.

Don, before I go I wanted you to know something. I didn't take offense at all to what you said. EVeryone's opinions are welcomed by me. I see how you see this. Whenever I see a kid gone bad, I always think where were these parents? But really it should be who taught them to be parents?

We go to school and learn everything from ABC's to Physiology etc, but there is no real how to be a parent class. I don't think one could ever fully encompass the whole parenting perspective. It's different for everyone. Everyone has to take their own situation and make it work for them.

My mother and father both worked full time to support 5 kids. But we were raised well. It's what we take from life and what we make it.

 

[Don L Duck]

Thanks Careship.................Now hop on that snowball.
Have a great time in the land of love and happines.

 

[careship]

Originally posted by Don L Duck
Thanks Careship.................Now hop on that snowball.
Have a great time in the land of love and happines.

No snowballs......heat, humidity and Disney is all I need.

 

[mac388]

Character Abuse=Deeper Parenting Issues

First off, I find this post to be extremely interesting and I read all eight pages of it! Well, actually, maybe that's because I am at work and have nothing else to do. Anyways.....

My boyfriend was a Character for one summer a few years ago. His abuse ranged from parents agressively cutting lines and screaming at him (imagine how you look to other people while screaming at Woody that you need your picture taken). Also, I tend to have a "slight" biases against the Brazilian tour groups. Ricky (my boyfriend) once had three Brazilian girls slam him up against the wall as Genie in the Studios because he motioned for them to wait until he was done signing an autograph for a THREE YEAR OLD. He also had a teenage boy yank on his Frollo ponytail which in turn yanked his head back and caused his muscles in his neck to hurt for days afterwards. And let's not even get into the number of times his Tigger tail was yanked.
Even with all of this, he still loved being a character. One of my fondest memories of him as a character was him crouching on the ground as Genie and holding a 10 month old baby in his hands while the parents took a picture. He also had a boy who had not walked in two years get up out of his wheelchair and struggle to walk the five feet to him as Woody (the boy's favorite character).

For every jerk, I think that there are many more people who are patient and polite, and love the Disney characters. Too bad these bad eggs spoil everything, cause that's usually what you remember more.

And finally, I am currently getting my Master's in Early Childhood and Elementary Education. Most of NYC is, as we know, very liberal. Nothing against some of those practices, but I can't believe how parents today are raising their children. There seems to be this belief that children should be free to make choices. That's all fine and good, but they need guidance and most parents forget about that. A lot of parents are afraid to set guidelines because their kids "won't like them." Note to self-we're not here to be their friends, we're here to raise them to be great and caring members of society.

 

[MouseMadness]

Originally posted by careship
No snowballs......heat, humidity and Disney is all I need.

How about a snowcone? NO, no, don't worry... it's lemon!!

(and Don, as far as this being a thread drift... I remember one of my favorite teachers in h.s. was my Sociology teacher... because it was insanely easy to get him off topic. We did it every day... but usually learned more. He was older, and what we didn't get from him in terms of book teaching, he gave us in wisdom. So I like this thread drift for the same reason. I'm learning a lot from you guys.) :wave:

 

[WDW1971]

Originally posted by Don L Duck
HOORAY thats two :sohappy:
It's like a snowball rolling down a hill
All are welcome step into the light.

You can make it three. I agree with you, Don. I don't blame women for the ills of society. If our government didn't tax us to death, many more families could afford to have a parent at home...either the mother OR the father. As I said in an earlier post, I would gladly be a "househusband" if we could afford it. I have a Bachelor's degree, but my wife has her Master's. She is far more satisfied in her job than me. I wouldn't mind a bit walking away from this job and being my "kid's dad" full-time. However, we investigated our daycare options for him and believe we have him in the best substitute possible...with no regards for cost. Our world revolves around him, but we discipline with love. He doesn't rule our house. He tests his limits (as any 2 1/2 year old does) and when he hits those limits, he knows it in no uncertain terms.

At age two, he already knew to say "please", "thank you", "you're welcome". We haven't started with the "sir" and "ma'am" yet because we just don't know if the confusion between which gender gets which and what general age the person must be to receive such respect. If he does something to hurt you by accident, he says, "I sorry". I believe we've done quite well even though we both work.

That being said, I feel we could do so much better if one of us were home. Everyone has to be the type of parent they feel is best for their children. I feel we're doing the best we can for now, but not the best that we could possibly do.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Like i said, thats what makes you a good parent - as opposed to those who put their kids in front of the TV and expect tat to raise them.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Originally posted by MouseMadness
*jerks knees*

Dave, do us all a favor and shut it. You know what? Stereotyping works in more ways than one. Hey, my husband likes NASCAR... and Budweiser beer! And wonder of wonders, he's never laid a hand on me! He has gradated from medical school... putting him in the top 1% education level of everybody in the whole country. Hmmm, gee, that doesn't make any sense, does it? Surely one can't like NASCAR and Budweiser AND be a nonviolent, intelligent, well educated person. And my kids have never beat up on a character! Yes, four children.... the ones I gave birth to between the time I was just shy of 19 years old and almost 26 years old. So I must be too stupid to know how to keep from having kids, right? Why don't you learn to check yourself for narrow-mindedness and stereotyping before being so quick to seek it out in others. And don't try to duck out of this... we all read what you wrote. Oh, and accuse me of flaming if you'd like... I don't care... I can't let this go unanswered.

Okay, enough. I recogunize that not everybody who likes nascar and drinks bud is going to fall into a stereotype. However, there are a percentage that does reflect that sterotype. I see it every weekend, with my neighbors and their offensive racists and sexist jokes, and saying things like 'I should smack her back into the kitchen.' I see my friend who has been beaten repeatedly by her husband, and ive seen the hospital photos.

While thats only two examples, i dont have time to type out every experience in my life that has left me with my opinion. I'm glad to know that there are exceptions, and that youre married to one of them Christy.

 

[MouseMadness]

Originally posted by PhotoDave219
Okay, enough. I recogunize that not everybody who likes nascar and drinks bud is going to fall into a stereotype. However, there are a percentage that does reflect that sterotype. I see it every weekend, with my neighbors and their offensive racists and sexist jokes, and saying things like 'I should smack her back into the kitchen.' I see my friend who has been beaten repeatedly by her husband, and ive seen the hospital photos.

While thats only two examples, i dont have time to type out every experience in my life that has left me with my opinion. I'm glad to know that there are exceptions, and that youre married to one of them Christy.

Yeah, I bet there are photographers out there who've beaten their wives... I don't hold it against you, though.

 

[Tiggerish]

Wow, I logged back on to express my disappointment that even the morning news shows seem to be treating the "sausage bashing" incident rather lightheartedly, and when they telecast the video of the players so-called apology, I was mad as heck to see that the b@$***d was smirking, almost laughing while "apologizing".

Little did I imagine the social discourse I would get to experience. Verry interesting and enlightening discussion. As others have said, it is interesting to get an idea of people's thoughts on topics outside of Disney.

I tend to keep my spare change to myself when it comes to childrearing, because I have no kids myself (although I have been married for years and am probably close to the end of it even being a possibility). It is waay to easy to judge others' parenting skills (or lack thereof) and I don't feel I have any right (but I do definitely have opinions--I just don't share them!). Especially because raising kids to be decent human beings in today's world is a very scary challenge, and I don't think I'm up to it. I have the utmost respect for all you who are trying to do the right thing by raising your children with morals and values. :king: If not for you, what will become of the world?

 

[WDWFREAK53]

Originally posted by MouseMadness
Yeah, I bet there are photographers out there who've beaten their wives... I don't hold it against you, though.

the only thing I beat are eggs...umm...ok...maybe not...but I'd NEVER beat the female in my life.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Originally posted by WDWFREAK53
the only thing I beat are eggs...umm...ok...maybe not...but I'd NEVER beat the female in my life.

How about Bill Buckner? :lol:















(Explanation - Bill Buckner was the 1st Basemen for the Boston Red Sox in th 1986 World Series vs the Mets. He let a routine ground ball go through his legs, allwoing the Mets to tie game 6 rather than Boston winning the series. The Mets won game 7 and the series and Buckner has been one of the most hated people in Boston History ever since.)